that the line is equally as important, if not more important than the QB?

No Mr. Sauto, they won't.

There's no way in the world that Sanchez or Stafford become Akili Smith or Cade McNown.

No. Way.

He'll be shitty just like Carson Palmer.

Maybe, but they could also turn out to be franchise signal-callers, something Thigpen realistically can't. It's a risk you have to take.

Ill roll with whatever decision Pioli makes.

Thank you for taking the time to point out his apparent strengths. I respect that.

Now, on the flip side of that...

Do you agree that his weaknesses far outweigh his strengths?

And that those weaknesses may never be corrected because of the system he played in college?

Finally, do you see Tyler Thigpen having the potential to be a SB winning QB?

Because again, that's the goal.

Guys like Stafford and Sanchez are going to be drafted high because scout feel they have that potential.

Thigpen was taken in the 7th round.

(go ahead, someone break out the Tom Brady one-in-a-million scenario)

This is what I agree with.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Tell that to Ben Rothlisberger.

He was also in his mid-30's, for **** sake.

How many times did you watch Sanchez? On what authority do you have it that he'll be a "bust"?

Please, share.

come on dane you are the guy who just said huard had a career game against the broncos(21-28 160 yards 1 td) so please forgive me for not trusting you on this one.:D
any draft pick can bust. i'm all for sanchez being a chief but if we stay with thigpen i wont cry about it

Well, Ben Roethlisberger basically IS a lineman, so he doesn't really need anyone to block for him.

Is that a guarantee?

Every aspect of the game is critical; football is the ultimate team sport.

But you can't claim that anything is more important than the QB. Say this aloud: "I'd rather have Willie Roaf than Peyton Manning." Did you hear how that sounded?

Yeah? I was just answering about a good QB who played behind a shit line.

He's more like Palmer than he is Leinart so if someone is going to compare him to another QB from the school atleast use the right one..

Leinarts arm is nothing compared to Palmer and Sanchez.

Yup. Leinert was only a good prospect for a short-passing game, sort of West Coast offense team. His arm was not all that impressive.

Sanchez has the skillset to fit in many offenses.

reeruned?

of course it did, they had to throw together an offense, and had limited plays..coupled with the fact with crappy second halftime adjustments..what did you expect..you alreeady claimed they suck yet the the guy threw for 2k in eight games. on a limited game plan and had the chiefs competitive in most games.

And they threw together that offense because of Tyler Thigpen.

Ben Roethlisberger?

Because I know you weren't talking about Trent Green.

3 or 4 games...more than anything it I completely disagree with him coming out early and think it will hurt him.

green wasnt good?

The Chiefs won that game 33-19. LJ had over 150 yards rushing. This all happened because Huard had a great game, behind center and behind the same offensive line as Thigpen.

Face it: Thigpen can't play under center, Mr. Sauto.

Terribly.

I am off to dinner...I just want to take some time to thank Mecca for even having a conversation with me.

I really do appreciate him taking time for a few of us mere mortals here and there. Message board sports experts are to be respected.

No, I'm just ****ing around. Obviously a guy like Peyton Manning is an exception.

Look, if Pioli thinks either of these guys is Manning, Brady, Brees, or a few other guys, then of course take him. I don't think ANYONE on this board would argue otherwise, at least I hope not. But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

But, if any QB in any year grades out to be a possible top 5 NFL QB, you do whatever you have to to get him.

Does no one realize that his stats for running the spread were kind of pathetic.

I think it's very strange to see people argue the spread was used do to the line, that's false.

The spread was used because Tyler Thigpen can't do anything else, it was because of him not anything else, it's time to accept that reality.

Why? Because Pete Carroll got all butt-hurt because it essentially ruins his chances at a National Championship next year?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The next time I see Pete Carroll, I'm going to give him a ****ing cock punch for that horrible display he put on at the Sanchez press conference.

im over it. he was the feel good story of the year. i do think he has upside if coached not to make mistakes. he has shown he can move the chains while playing qb under sperm.......m2c
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Does it concern that he was only a 1 year starter?

Well the old "lets throw the ball to Tony Gonzalez as much as possible so he'll like me" strategy isn't the best one.

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen refer to Pro Bowl quarterbacks as "average".

Your "standards" just don't make any sense.

great game? 160 yards? 1 td? if thats all it takes for you then you ARE RIGHT sanchez and stafford can't bust

We're in agreement.

My stance, though, is that it's far past time for this organization to take the risk.

Stafford and Sanchez might end up being only serviceable, and this would suck for a #3 overall pick. But, and here's the beauty, they might wildly exceed even high expectations.

You have to take that chance.

No and he will be listed as a senior on NFL boards he spent 4 years in college he just didn't go back for this 5th year.

If he was extremely raw and had a ton of things he needed to improve it would bug me. But the guy has pocket poise, good mobility a plus arm, hangs in the pocket to make throws and his feet are as good as you could ask for.

Mark Sanchez has been very well coached on all the little things and it shows.

Green was "good" when he played behind four Pro-Bowl and two HOF tackles.

Without them, not so much.

And you're the only person I have ever seen refer to Joey Harrnington as average.

I'm sorry, when I envision a franchise QB for this team, I envision them being much better than any of those 3 guys.

Steve, you know you're my boy - so this isn't directed at you, but since it was in your post I have to respond.

You know what excuse I'm getting tired of hearing?

HALFTIME ADJUSTMENTS.

Anyone want to know what the best coach in the NFL thinks about "haltime adjustments?"

bullshit, if we hadnt spread it out the qb would be getting hit on 3 step drops before setting his feet

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.

Some of you were perfectly willing to hand the keys to the franchise over to a much less accomplished Brodie Croyle, but you scoff at affording Thigpen the same confidence.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in 11 starts this season as a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB who took no First Team reps during the off-season whatsoever.

Yes, he threw them in a Spread Offense, but that offense was installed in the middle of the season.

Obviously the accuracy is a concern.
And in the NFL it's not common for QB's to make drastic improvement in that area.

For that reason, alone, the Chiefs should draft or sign a FA QB, install a more conventional offense, and let them compete for the job. I don't have a Thigpen fixation, but I do think the kid flashed and showed me some good things. He made plays.

To shit on what that guy accomplished given the circumstances is just silly.

That's flawed logic spreading the field actually exposes your QB to more hits..the system was run because it's all Thigpen can do.

Lets stop with this bunk that it was because of the line it was because of Thigpen.

if our receivers caught half of the balls that hit them in the hands and he's over 60%

You don't get to use that as an excuse when it was done because of said player.

really? then why did our qb get hit LESS when we went to it?

He didn't, he just wasn't made of paper mache.

Statistically, sure.

But unless you can turn those statistics into playoff wins, then he's just another guy in my book.

Roethlisberger finds a way to win.

Bad OL? No problem.

90 yards to go in 2 minutes? No problem.

2 broken ribs? No problem.


I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.

Forget accuracy stats for a second. Go back and watch Thigpen play if you have the means to. He is not an accurate QB. His accuracy past 10 yards is pretty horrendous.

You're really going to pretend that was the only factor in play?
REALLY?

Had nothing to do with the Offensive Line deficiencies or the Larry Johnson suspension.
:rolleyes:

It's his fundamental skill set, Mic. That's what's concerning.

At least Croyle could take a snap under center. All the posters in this thread desperately wanting the Chiefs to select a QB in round one, were also the ones claiming that Brodie was a China doll, so this seems like a moot point to me.

Bring in a young QB with an NFL skill set, and you'll see much more patience on this board, at least from the posters in this thread.

Trent Green was a cog in the system as opposed to being the guy who is the franchise.

I have seen you in the past take the exact opposite stance on this. That a QB's success really isn't directly related to Super Bowl wins. What changed that?

Is it player or PLAYERS, i.e. the line?

The right side of the line was still sieve even in the spread.

We also could not run the ball worth a crap either way. The Denver game was an anomaly.

I don't know how anybody can say they know how good Thipen is or can be with the shitty coaching and changing the offense mid season.

That is why we have a new GM,coach, mimi camp, and training camp and most likely a rookie QB coming in. It will all wash out and all this debate will be pissing in the wind.

I guess that depends on what you call a big, important game.

I would say he is extremely raw considering he only played a couple of games in 07 and then all of 08.

Stafford on the other hand has played 2 full seasons plus half his freshman year.

I would also argue that he played against some really shitty Defenses that rival the Big 12 defenses.

I am not against Sanchez but I don't think he is a lock as you think he is.

Do we know for certain that he can't play from under center?
I can recall seeing a few flashes from Thigpen BEFORE we went to the Spread.

i'll say one thing that i read from tom brady, he too had problems with accuracy and the deep ball it came down to footwork. and for the guys who shout that he has a weak arm: he OVERTHREW almost as many balls as he underthrew

THIS

However, I am not sold on Stafford... I think a QB needs to be brought in to compete, but definitely not just handed the job.

LMAO the spread absolutely helps the O line, come on Mecca you know better than that.

Matt Stafford is actually less polished than Sanchez is, watch his feet when he throws.

I think a lot of the Thigpen supporters out there are also for drafting a QB in the 1st. It'd be interesting to take a poll.

Really, I want to see the guy succeed. I really do. The thing is, he's going to have to succeed like all the other 6th and 7th rounders who are successful in this league: prove it.

Just because we draft a QB doesn't mean Thigpen is not going to get another shot. Tell that to the Chargers fans who didn't want to draft Philip Rivers. And Brees was a friggin 2ND rounder. More like a 1st, actually, because he was the 2nd QB taken overall in that draft.

Thigpen will have plenty of chances to show improvement this offseason. If he's good enough, he'll start. And guess what? If he DOESN'T do that well but still shows improvement, he's GOING to be kept on the roster in some fashion. I mean, geez, what else do the Chiefs have to look foward to beyond Sanchez/Stafford? Quinn Grey? Brokie Croyle?

And if he shows no improvement whatsoever at all... well, I mean, that's tough, isn't it? He was a 7th round pick for a reason, and most of those guys just don't have what it takes to play in the NFL. 7th rounders have to work a LOT harder than 1st rounders to get noticed, and if the work isn't shown by Thigpen, why would he show it another time?

Yeah, I know. It's one offseason. But Thigpen's going to have to step away from local KC sports radio, call up his buddy Tony Gonzalez, and start throwing some passes. He's going to have to get in touch with Todd Haley and whoever our new QB coach is, and he's going to have to run a LOT of drills. He only has a few months before training camp, and if he's not looking fresh enough from the start, he's going to lose the starting job he had very quickly. And if he doesn't show more in preseason, then he's going to lose his job with the team.

The only flash I saw in Atlanta was from gunfire at a television set.

I can link you to an article where an NFL coach says you're wrong.

Not unless it helps his argument.

As soon as someone mentions wanting to draft an Oklahoma OLineman, he will change this.

qb coach QB COACH QB COACH, we will have one this year and we havent for several years.

Hope he has a wand.

Accuracyamos!

Repairo!

They would be much better if they would have kept Brees and used that draft pick for something else.

I've not went on record claiming as Thigpen as our QBOTF.


But, personally I like the kid because he exceeded everyone's expectations. I think most of us can agree with that. Some of that can be attributed to Gailey's gimmicky offense. But, after watching the Atl game I had no hope so whatsoever.

He proved me otherwise.

I think whatever team drafts Sanchez they will sit him for at least a year.

doesnt need one, just work on footwork. get the feet right everything else follows

Yea Rivers totally sucks...oh shit wait.

And I can link you to an article where an NFL coach thinks a spread QB is going to revolutionize the NFL.

Yes, his weakness can be improved upon, while you can't teach hsi strengths.

Plenty of QB's have potential. doesn't mean they will succeed at this level...you just never know..stranger things have happened... and just for the fun of it...I'm reminded of acertian late round long snapper..

anyway, until we know what syytem they are going to run, we don't have a clue who they have an eye for or on..Pioli said you're going to be disappointed if you're looking for big name players..

Why can't we start Thigpen and let Stafford/Sanchez sit? If they beat him in TC, cool. If not, letting Thigpen start doesn't seem like it can hurt the team (unlike starting Huard and not finding out Croyle was "delicate", damn you Carl!). Maybe we'll get lucky and Thigpen will learn/play himself in to a fat trade in a year or two and "the other dude" can lead us to bigger and better things. Or we Brett Farve the new dude and ride Thigpen to glory.

Who said that?

You don't think the Chargers would be better with Brees?

And what are we waiting for? For Rivers to win a Super Bowl?

And for this he'll likely need a wand.

This isn't an easy thing to do. I know it's in vogue to bash Curl--I'm as guilty of this as anyone--but if it were simple, even he'd have been able to accomplish it.

Two minute drill in that very game if memory serves...
He helped get the offense in for 6 on an impressive drive.

The spread accomplished two things: 1. It covered up a pretty bad O-Line 1a. It gave Thigpen a better view of the field.



The spread has benefits, and I believe it will continue to grow due to the NFL tying the hands of the D-Backs ehhh, behind their back. The way PI and illegal contact are called is going to contribute to the spread becoming more wide-spread (no pun intended :) ).

When it comes to putting games away and the red zone, the spread shows it's weaknesses, though.

Thigpen will get his shot, so don't worry.