Look back last year. Good job.

It doesn't help their argument, or they'll just call us some name like a Sanchezite or something.

LOL, I agree, and I couldn't put it any better! The other day ESPN was said that Freeman was a poor man's Jafatass Russell like it was a positive. WTF is going through their heads?!

I love what Pete Prisco said in his mock about the Chiefs:

3. Kansas City Chiefs: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC: New GM comes from New England where he had Tom Brady. New coach Todd Haley comes from Arizona where he had Kurt Warner. Tyler Thigpen isn't the answer.

Sorry, True Fans.

Russell started to improve late in the season.

I tend to think it means that we're still days away from the combine, nobody has done their pro days, and the draft guys are tossing handfuls of poo at the walls and making their boards placed on what sticks. Teams don't even know where players rank at this point.

Because he is good against the run, because he can shed blocks, keep his assignments, 30 tackles for a loss over the last two years, maybe he got to the QB or pressure when he was asked to do so.

He has played in what 15-16 games total? That bothers me.

Because Mike Mayock said it......even Mike Mayock acknowledged he's not a great rusher. People need to get over Mayock on some positions he's horrible because he likes things that are not valuable.

He loves Brandon Pettigrew because he blocks then he went into a spiel about how he hates receiving TE's.

When that happens you nut up and offer something to get exactly what you want. It will be costly but if you truely believe it is worth it, swing for the fences. The #3 slot sucks absolute balls this year.

When you look at him, everything about Freeman screams NFL success.

And then you see him play in a game.

By draft day unless Cleveland takes him Curry will slip out of the top 10.

First rule: The Kansas City Chiefs under Carl Peterson were hardly the yardstick to be measure against.

Answer this questioned I posed it in the header...

Ernie Sims went 10th, Ernie Sims has sick speed more than Curry does, Sims was the #1 player in his recruiting year...Ernie Sims is more naturally gifted than Curry is...what difference is he making for the Lions?

Do you agree with Scott Wright that Sanchez is the biggest boom/bust prospect this year?

Game. Set. Match.

Hide sharp objects....

Cassel played in zero.

I'm not advocating Cassel by any stretch of the imagination but this fascination with declaring Sanchez as "not ready" has gone overboard.

He was at USC for 4 years. If he had stayed, his stock in the NFL draft may have only dropped. It's tough to beat 1, 2, or 3 overall.

I agree. Though the Chiefs have alot of holes to fill and may not want to part with a boat load of picks.

I agree that anyone drafted in the 1st round is the biggest boom/bust prospect every year, based on financial investment into that said player.

No I don't, I think Crabtree is the biggest risk player that is going that high.

True. This year I do not know if there is that kind of player. Too bad the #3 is a joke so it will be impossible to trade out of it.

Scott Wright had Sims as the 13th ranked prospect in 2006. He has Curry as the 2nd. Maybe Curry is just better even though he might not have "sick" speed.

Don't worry it'll get ignored the Ernie Sims example is a huge middle finger to anyone who thinks putting a great LB who doesn't rush the passer on your team will change anything.

Ernie Sims was in a better class....don't play dumbass semantics with me, either you are stupid or just acting that way to prove some reerun point.

Go back to the kiddie table and write "Herm Sucks" 500 times. You were more intelligent when you stuck to that one topic.

I think it's Stafford.

I've said before that I see his ceiling as being perhaps slightly higher than Sanchez's, but his basement being lower.

ChiefsCountry has said that Stafford reminds him of Elway and Sanchez of Aikman. I think this is pretty accurate.

But I just don't see Stafford being "a guy." I think he'll be a homerun or a swing and miss.

I said what?
No.
I said that if you know a player has talent and they have shown themselves to have a strong skill set you take him. The argument that if scouts had scouted Lewis' skill set or Harrisons skill set better they would have drafted them much higher. Just like Brady at QB. Curry has shown a solid skill set now. He looks to have that kind of talent and is seen as the top defender in the draft. If the QB's are gone, we're set at LT and there isnt a DE you have to look at the other "elite" prospects. I'm sorry but the assertion that LB isnt an important position is wrong. If he looks to be that good you either reach for another position or you solidify one that is a need and happens to have a very good player available.

And for the record anyone that ever watched Sims play at FSU he was a ****ing monster.

I think you're absolutely right and there's nothing that Sanchez could have learned in another year at USC that he can't learn on an NFL sideline (while making top ten money to boot), but I'm still curious which way we might go if the front office isn't sold on Sanchez.

Address the Ernie Sims point.

Scott Wright did say that was in effect saying his pass rush skills are questionable.

He's rated highly because this is not a great draft class.

And Matt Cassell has been on the bench for 3 years and IMHO he still sucks.

If Pioli thinks Sanchez is the right person I will be happy about. I am not one of those people that don't want a QB I just don't think he is ready to play starting Day one and that is what we need.

You start a thread asking for reasons why Curry is worth a 3rd. When people start to give reasons you get all upset because it doesn't support your view of Sanchez or nothing. The other day you got all offended when someone quetioned Scott Wright's opinions. Now when I point out Wright thinks highly of Curry and ranks him higher, you don't want to hear it.

Assuming Stafford is gone and depending on how we view Sanchez as a prospect I almost wouldn't mind doing that. I know it will never happen but I simply don't see many players worth the #3 pick.

Harrison was an undrafted free agent from Kent State that was cut and on the practice squads of both the Steelers and the Ravens. He's not some "overnight" sensation. He's essentially the equivalent of Kurt Warner, a guys who spent years learning and paying his dues. He's 30 years old, BTW.

NEVER would he have gone in the first round out of college.

I'd take Jenkins over Curry.

Why is he rated 6 spots higher than Sanchez in a weak draft class?

......Did you take the time to listen to him say that Curry isn't a reach "this year" oh yea you didn't.

That's a hell of a way to try to counter the argument that putting the best LB in college on a shitty team will mean something when it meant exactly nothing to the Lions.

Why?

Let Thigpen play in whatever offense we design to accentuate Stafford/Sanchez's strengths. The epic suck will pile up.

When the n00b is ready. Send him in. If that's the middle of the season, great. If that's 2010, cool.

By one guy. Big deal.

No, actually that isn't what we need.

We need a QB that will be ready to lead this team when we are ready to compete.

We aren't going to be that team next year.

And whether it's Stafford or Sanchez, I think both could use some time on the sideline to develop.

However, if they had to start day one, I think Sanchez is more mature and could handle the adversity better.

What leads you to believe that he isn't ready? How many games have you seen him play? All four quarters?

Does anyone agree/disagree with my Stafford boom or bust statement?

I just don't see him being an average type of guy. Comments?

Combine is this week. Those positions will be changing. Curry is a guy that will slip this week.

Because, as mecca said earlier, he's a safe pick.

I'm still waiting to see the Ernie Sims point get refuted, he sure is a difference make on the Lions inspite of being a really good player.

Did taking Leinart, Russell, Smith or Rodgers mean anything to their teams?

I agree.

That really goes back to my assessment of their maturity.

Logic fails him....he's been this way for awhile now.

IMHO if you are going to draft a QB that high you have to play them.

I thought you guys have been saying for weeks that there is no such thing as a safe draft pick.

Yea just like Matt Ryan didn't mean shit to the Falcons either right?

You know that argument would be awesome if it had merit I just made the point that even if Curry is good it will mean nothing so you point out some busts and go look they mean nothing not in factoring in what happens when the QB's are good..

Ponder that point you just made then get back to me if your brain doesn't explode.

I think it will be Sanchez at 3, but I will laugh at some of you if it isn't.

Yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't really thought of it in terms of maturity. I was thinking poise, to be honest, but that certainly falls under the category of maturity.

Just wasn't thinking of it from that angle.

Why?

What difference did Smith make for the 9ers?

There is always risk. Curry shows up on game day. He's a playmaker. He makes tackles. Is that a guarantee at the next level? no. We can get a CB in Free agency too.

"Safe."

Because he makes plays all over the field. I've watched enough video of Curry at this point to see that he is much more then a "coverage backer". The guy is great at shedding blocks and then making the play along with his coverage skills. I understand wanting a QB but you're undervaluing Curry to make your argument. Besides here on chiefs planet every body with a draft board has Curry in the top five. Here he's just another "coverage backer". And don't forget guys I want a franchise QB too.


PhilFree:arrow:

Cause we gotta win now man, the fans can't handle not going 8-8.

Possibly Derrick Anderson if he ends up being average. Looks great until he makes a throw that will either make you go "wow" or "WTF?!"

Well, of course we're going to play him. Eventually.

Think Palmer.

In relative terms.

Less risky=safe.

Do you guys seriously lack reading comprehension skills?

My entire point is even though Ernie Sims is good he means nothing to the Lions team being any good, do you get it?

Smith was a poor choice. He played in Urban Meyer's spread offense and was not prepared to play behind center in a pro-style offense.

As usual, bad example, Mel.

Derrick Anderson is actually like a Freeman model.

Looks great getting off the bus. Anderson is a little taller (1") and Freeman's heavier, 250 or so compared to Anderson's 230.

Now address my point, Ernie Sims drafted 10th overall is a borderline pro bowl backer with more natural gifts than Curry has, what difference is he making for the Lions?

That should answer the question about taking a non pass rushing LB this high.

So, a guy that makes a bunch of plays in the ACC is suddenly worth the #3 overall pick?

Huh?

No one player is going to put the Chiefs over the hump. Do you understand that? Curry alone isn't going to do it. Sanchez alone isn't going to do it.

I have nothing against Sanchez. I think if he sits a year he'll develop into a good QB. I think he has a good chance of being better than Stafford. But your constant hype of the guy and finger in the ears attitude about every other prospect is ridiculous and makes a part of me hope that Sanchez becomes a bust and you end up hanging yourself in your moms basement in despair.

Just my opinion but if you draft a QB in the Top 5 you are basically wanting them to be the starter on opening day or very, very soon after.

When was the last time a team drafted a QB in the Top 5 and let them sit for a year? That would be an interesting bit of information.

They're completely missing my entire point.....either they lack comprehension or they are avoiding it because there is no answer for it.

I'm look at that completely differently, I think quarterbacks need to be worked in, even high picks. You're drafting a franchise quarterback with an eye more on what you expect him to be 3 or 4 years down the road, and then for a decade after that. You don't throw him in there like tossing a kid into the deep end of a pool. You don't coddle him either, but you do let him grow into the role. Some will be ready to go right off the bat (Ryan), some won't (Rivers).

Carson Palmer.

That worked out shitty.

What difference is Calvin Johnson making for the Lions? What difference did Joey Harrington make for the Lions? What difference did Barry Sanders make for the Lions?

Oh cool another moms basement joke, I love how people say that when they got nothing better to say, like they think they know me and can make up some universe.

Maybe if we get the player you want you can suck your dads penis.

Phillip Rivers is another one.

Philip Rivers... I'm sure there's more.

But you're right. If your qb has such a fragile ego that he can't jump right in (and fail miserably, lol), then something is up.

In all fairness, I think guys like Sims and Willis make a hell of a difference.

Still, that doesn't mean they're top 5 picks.

But I'd like to have one on my team. Anyone would.

We're talking draft value, though, and this is like pissing in the wind.

Opinions are like assholes.

In your case, it looks like your hemorrhoids are hanging out

Your comparison is better. Well done.

I do see a little Anderson in Stafford. Stafford did get screwed by his receivers running bad or incorrect routes and his line giving him Jordan Black time to throw the ball.

He has had to overcome adversity time and time again without changing his playing style. ALL of the great ones have this quality to pull the trigger no matter how the game was going before.

All of a sudden your willing to share?