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BigCatDaddy 02-23-2009 12:32 PM

Is Brown running today?

doomy3 02-23-2009 12:32 PM

Now the're saying it's his hamstring...

That's weird, because after he pulls up, you could hear him audibly say it was his ankle, then he said maybe his foot...

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2009 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5518652)
Now the're saying it's his hamstring...

That's weird, because after he pulls up, you could hear him audibly say it was his ankle, then he said maybe his foot...

Maybe he is just slower than shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 12:35 PM

I don't know if Laurinaitis is a first day pick. Never liked him anyway.

Mauluga is starting to remind me of Jeremiah Trotter. I don't know if I'd want him with either of our first two picks.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5518647)
Is Brown running today?

Yes. 4.73 official time. Link that seems to be keeping up with results.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/blog/20...mbine-results/

doomy3 02-23-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518664)
I don't know if Laurinaitis is a first day pick. Never liked him anyway.

Mauluga is starting to remind me of Jeremiah Trotter. I don't know if I'd want him with either of our first two picks.

Did you mean to say first round??

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518664)
I don't know if Laurinaitis is a first day pick. Never liked him anyway.

Mauluga is starting to remind me of Jeremiah Trotter. I don't know if I'd want him with either of our first two picks.


Rey hasnt shown much explosion. 8'5 on the broad really sticks out.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5518674)
Did you mean to say first round??

No. I wouldn't draft him in the first two rounds. He'll probably go then, but what does he bring?

He's undersized at the middle, he's slooooooooooow, he has no pass rushing ability, he's a meek hitter, and he can't get around blockers.

What does James Laurinaitis bring to the NFL table?

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518684)
No. I wouldn't draft him in the first two rounds. He'll probably go then, but what does he bring?

He's undersized at the middle, he's slooooooooooow, he has no pass rushing ability, he's a meek hitter, and he can't get around blockers.

What does James Laurinaitis bring to the NFL table?


I'll tell you what. He is the son of Animal, 1/2 of the greatest tag team in wrestlling history. That's what! Other then that not much.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5518689)
I'll tell you what. He is the son of Animal, 1/2 of the greatest tag team in wrestlling history. That's what! Other then that not much.

He's the Chase Daniel of LB prospects.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5518677)
Rey hasnt shown much explosion. 8'5 on the broad really sticks out.

Yeah. That was terrible. Like I said...Trotter. Two down player.

Laurinaitis looks maxed out to me, IMO.

ran a 4.80 on NFLn (which is generous) he's probably 4.84-4.85 realistically.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518704)
Yeah. That was terrible. Like I said...Trotter. Two down player.

Laurinaitis looks maxed out to me, IMO.

ran a 4.80 on NFLn (which is generous) he's probably 4.84-4.85 realistically.

heh, they both are making McKillop look athletic.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 12:57 PM

What's up with the official and unofficial times changing so much?

The Franchise 02-23-2009 12:58 PM

Marcus Freeman looks good from the numbers. What's the knock on him?

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5518747)
What's up with the official and unofficial times changing so much?

Unofficials are NFLN hand times.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 01:06 PM

God, Laurinaitis is having a Jaison Williams type performance. He looked really slow side to side and moves really stiffly.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5518749)
Marcus Freeman looks good from the numbers. What's the knock on him?

Smaller DJ, looks good here, doesnt shed blocks well, minor durability issues.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518754)
Unofficials are NFLN hand times.

Thanks.

I like the way they superimpose the runners on each other. They did it for Brown and Barwin and they were tied at the 10 yard split. Barwin started pulling ahead after 20 yards.

raybec 4 02-23-2009 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518778)
God, Laurinaitis is having a Jaison Williams type performance. He looked really slow side to side and moves really stiffly.

You know that dude wishes he would have come out last year, he was supposed to go top 10 back then. What a difference a year makes.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 01:10 PM

After watching that drill, might need to re evaluate my man crush on Sintim, but still like his pass rush skills. Curry looks damned good.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5518788)
You know that dude wishes he would have come out last year, he was supposed to go top 10 back then. What a difference a year makes.

He would have been exposed then, too.

doomy3 02-23-2009 01:15 PM

Curry looks like the only can't miss player in this draft. There may be others who end up being better, but he is the most ready player in this draft IMO. Eugene Monroe is up there too.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 01:17 PM

heh, wonder why these guys play defense? Ball skills brah.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 01:17 PM

Cushing and Curry are the class of this crop. They are so much more fluid and athletic than the rest of these guys.

Curry had a phenomenal transition to the second level. Flipped his hips really well.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5518817)
Curry looks like the only can't miss player in this draft. There may be others who end up being better, but he is the most ready player in this draft IMO. Eugene Monroe is up there too.


Curry is the best defensive player in the draft, and this draft is lite on elite talent. He will get drafted higher than a player at his position typically would.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 01:25 PM

Clay Matthews is making some money today.

ChiefsCountry 02-23-2009 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518827)
Cushing and Curry are the class of this crop. They are so much more fluid and athletic than the rest of these guys.

Curry had a phenomenal transition to the second level. Flipped his hips really well.

Everybody thinks we hate Curry with a passion but he really is a good football player. He isnt worth #3 pick in the draft though.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5518879)
Everybody thinks we hate Curry with a passion but he really is a good football player. He isnt worth #3 pick in the draft though.

because of the lack of elite talent he is valued higher. He is a top 10 talent in almost any draft class. Just not a position you generally would go that high on. Not going to cry and burn my Chiefs gear if he is the pick, but would rather go QB there.

RustShack 02-23-2009 01:37 PM

I like how the people who claim Stafford/Sanchez wouldn't be drafted this high in other years fail to see the same thing about their Oline and LB prospects. ROFL

The Franchise 02-23-2009 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5518901)
because of the lack of elite talent he is valued higher. He is a top 10 talent in almost any draft class. Just not a position you generally would go that high on. Not going to cry and burn my Chiefs gear if he is the pick, but would rather go QB there.

This.

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5518874)
Clay Matthews is making some money today.

And I think Rey Rey is losing quite a bit.

raybec 4 02-23-2009 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5518803)
He would have been exposed then, too.

No doubts, but I believe this to be a deeper class foe LB's so he's hurt himself more than he would have last year.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5518956)
And I think Rey Rey is losing quite a bit.

He answered a lot of the question that people had about him today. He most likely is a 2 down LB.

DaneMcCloud 02-23-2009 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5514031)
Well, Albert could easily move to one of those other positions. And yes, I know about the value of drafting him in the first round, etc, but if it makes the team better, sometimes you do unconventional things.

No, that's ridiculous.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5518963)
No doubts, but I believe this to be a deeper class foe LB's so he's hurt himself more than he would have last year.

This is an awful, awful year for MLBers. Is there a 3 down middle linebacker in this draft?

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 02:02 PM

For Monroe to be KC's 1st pick, both QB's and Curry would have to go Ron Mexico all of a sudden. But yes, Monroe is the best OLine in ths draft.

DaneMcCloud 02-23-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5519004)
For Monroe to be KC's 1st pick, both QB's and Curry would have to go Ron Mexico all of a sudden. But yes, Monroe is the best OLine in ths draft.

And many people in the know say that Albert is a better left tackle.

eazyb81 02-23-2009 02:04 PM

Has anyone on NFLN talked about whether 3-4 teams see Curry playing inside or outside?

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5519016)
Has anyone on NFLN talked about whether 3-4 teams see Curry playing inside or outside?

In between strokes, Mayock said he can play any position in any scheme.

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2009 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5519012)
And many people in the know say that Albert is a better left tackle.

Who?

eazyb81 02-23-2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5519019)
In between strokes, Mayock said he can play any position in any scheme.

Yeah that's what everyone says about him, but I have to imagine that he would be better at one position, or at least teams would project him more at one role over the other.

On the surface he strikes me as a classic 4-3 SAM, but I wonder if 3-4 teams view him as potentially the best rush backer in the draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5519036)
Yeah that's what everyone says about him, but I have to imagine that he would be better at one position, or at least teams would project him more at one role over the other.

On the surface he strikes me as a classic 4-3 SAM, but I wonder if 3-4 teams view him as potentially the best rush backer in the draft.

He was interviewed today and admitted that he had no coaching in pass rushing right now, but that if he were put in that position, he could learn the moves and do it well.


He's basically Derrick Brooks. As good of a prospect as he is for a SAM backer, he's nowhere near top 3 value.

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2009 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5519036)
Yeah that's what everyone says about him, but I have to imagine that he would be better at one position, or at least teams would project him more at one role over the other.

On the surface he strikes me as a classic 4-3 SAM, but I wonder if 3-4 teams view him as potentially the best rush backer in the draft.

I haven't really heard of any good comparisons to him. Maybe a young/healthy Julian Peterson?

Coogs 02-23-2009 02:16 PM

Anybody have any updates on todays events with the D-line and LB's?

doomy3 02-23-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5519059)
Anybody have any updates on todays events with the D-line and LB's?

:spock:

This thread is loaded with them

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5519012)
And many people in the know say that Albert is a better left tackle.

Monroe's stock has been helped by Albert's play last year. heh UVA had a nice left side of the line.

eazyb81 02-23-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5519055)
I haven't really heard of any good comparisons to him. Maybe a young/healthy Julian Peterson?

Peterson is a good comp. Maybe Urlacher due to his size, speed and versatility.

I'm just curious to see how 3-4 teams view him.

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5519081)
Peterson is a good comp. Maybe Urlacher due to his size, speed and versatility.

I'm just curious to see how 3-4 teams view him.

Seen mocks with Cleveland taking him and moving inside.

Coogs 02-23-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5519066)
:spock:

This thread is loaded with them


Geez, I'm not sure why, but when I clicked on this link earlier it was still on yesterday's updates? :shrug:

ArrowheadMagic 02-23-2009 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5519110)
Geez, I'm not sure why, but when I clicked on this link earlier it was still on yesterday's updates? :shrug:

Here's a link with top tens of most of the timed drills.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-perfo...orty-yard-dash

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 02:46 PM

Historic numbers I found for comparison:

Curry 6'2" 254lbs 4.56 in the 40
Demarcus Ware 6'4" 250lbs 4.56 in the 40
Suggs 6'3" 257lbs 4.65 in the 40

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5519165)
Historic numbers I found for comparison:

Curry 6'2" 254lbs 4.56 in the 40
Demarcus Ware 6'4" 250lbs 4.56 in the 40
Suggs 6'3" 257lbs 4.65 in the 40

He appears to be a superior athlete like those two no doubt. He was never asked to rush the passer like they were, so it's tough to make that comparison at this point.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5519221)
He appears to be a superior athlete like those two no doubt. He was never asked to rush the passer like they were, so it's tough to make that comparison at this point.

I was bringing it up since some people were saying he wasn't big enough to play OLB in a 3-4. I wonder what his arm length is. If KC brings him in for an interview/workout and he is able to demonstrate pass rush skills I don't think Pioli will pass him up.

eazyb81 02-23-2009 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5519221)
He appears to be a superior athlete like those two no doubt. He was never asked to rush the passer like they were, so it's tough to make that comparison at this point.

But on the other hand, he excelled in a 4-3 scheme, so he may be a perfect fit if we plan on running a hybrid defense that alternates between the two schemes.

Basileus777 02-23-2009 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5519046)
He's basically Derrick Brooks. As good of a prospect as he is for a SAM backer, he's nowhere near top 3 value.

The problem is, outside of a QB, who really had top 3 value in this draft class? This class is barely a step above 2005.

Tribal Warfare 02-23-2009 06:01 PM

Terrence Taylor keep an eye on this kid, a few years back when I was checking out a Michigan game featuring Gabe Watson. Taylor was the one that stood out as a Sophmore.

Mecca 02-23-2009 06:03 PM

Suggs and Ware were both DE's in college so they had pass rush moves...

And I still don't see Curry as a significantly better prospect than Cushing.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5519674)
Suggs and Ware were both DE's in college so they had pass rush moves...

And I still don't see Curry as a significantly better prospect than Cushing.

Of course you don't. Curry is better and more athletic than Cushing. Plus Cushing has a history of injuries that would make Brody Croyle blush.

Mecca 02-23-2009 06:20 PM

Considering Cushing has never had a "serious" injury that's hilarious, breaking your hand, spraining your ankle don't compare to 2 blown out knees and a blown shoulder.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 06:23 PM

"Has struggled with injuries throughout his career, missing five games due to a shoulder separation in 2005 and three games in 2007 due to a high ankle sprain, as well as undergoing surgery after the 2006 (shoulder) and 2007 (knee) spring practices"

Just the type of player I want to gamble a first round pick on.

Mecca 02-23-2009 06:24 PM

And still that is nothing like Brodie Croyle who you brought up...those are minor injuries..not season enders and he played with them for the most part he's a tough bastard.

SAUTO 02-23-2009 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5519768)
And still that is nothing like Brodie Croyle who you brought up...those are minor injuries..not season enders and he played with them for the most part he's a tough bastard.

is someone actually touting cushing as #3(post above) i would look at him with our 2nd rounder

Mecca 02-23-2009 06:29 PM

Uh no I didn't tout him at 3, I said I don't think Curry is an eons better prospect which is why I don't think he's worth 3.

That's a nice misinterpretation though, you're great at that.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5519768)
And still that is nothing like Brodie Croyle who you brought up...those are minor injuries..not season enders and he played with them for the most part he's a tough bastard.

Sure, he's tough. He also gets banged up easily and has had two surgeries on key parts of his body. Once he's drafted and the NFL starts testing he might not recover as quickly (if you believe the rumors he's juiced).

Mecca 02-23-2009 06:31 PM

I enjoy when people think he's juiced he's only had those rumors since ****ing high school.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2009 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5519796)
I enjoy when people think he's juiced he's only had those rumors since ****ing high school.

http://thedirty.com/?p=27560

Mecca 02-23-2009 06:35 PM

The point is he had rumors of juicing in high school....

Also the nature of those 2 pics are so ridiculously different comparing them is pretty funny.

SAUTO 02-23-2009 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5519790)
Uh no I didn't tout him at 3, I said I don't think Curry is an eons better prospect which is why I don't think he's worth 3.

That's a nice misinterpretation though, you're great at that.

damn dude i was talking about post #220(NOT EVEN yours) at the end he said "thats the guy i want to spend a 1st on" thats why i asked just so i didnt have to read EVERYTHING. CHILL OUT

Basileus777 02-23-2009 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5519804)

:rolleyes: The dumbass who posted that is misinterpreting those pictures evenw rose than I had previously seen. Those aren't before and after photos. Cush was ****ing built in highschool, he trained with some professional meathead trainer. He had an injury at USC and lost a bunch of weight, which is when that first pic was taken. People accused him of juicing because has tits in the first pic, not because he blew up afterwards.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 08:31 PM

I think Curry is a better prospect than Cushing. With that being said, he should not be considered a top 3 pick.

I realize that he's ambrosia for the true fans because he's "safe", but no prospect is "safe". His knee could get Robert Edwardsed the first day of Rookie Camp.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-23-2009 10:33 PM

Can somebody tell me more about DE Michael Johnson? I saw that he had some pretty good combine numbers and weighed in at 266. So will he most likely still project as a 2nd rounder...even with Maybin falling? I noticed he didn't BP, but with his long arms I can understand why. However, I did see on a G-TECH youtube workout video that he power cleaned 340--supposedly-- in 2007...which sounds like a solid number. I know that he is raw or whatever, but Id like to know more from those who have seen him play... because I haven't.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla (Post 5521189)
Can somebody tell me more about DE Michael Johnson? I saw that he had some pretty good combine numbers and weighed in at 266. So will he most likely still project as a 2nd rounder...even with Maybin falling? I noticed he didn't BP, but with his long arms I can understand why. However, I did see on a G-TECH youtube workout video that he power cleaned 340--supposedly-- in 2007...which sounds like a solid number. I know that he is raw or whatever, but Id like to know more from those who have seen him play... because I haven't.

He quits on a lot of plays.
He only ran a 4.75, that's good, but it was outpaced by several guys considered to be inferior athletes.

He's tall with long arms, but they aren't super long. He's very strong for his arm length though,

If you want to talk about a guy who beasted it at the combine, look at Connor Barwin. 41.5 inch vert, 4.66 40, and he's a really fluid athlete.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-23-2009 10:57 PM

sounds good...so do you pass on him in the 2nd if all other worthy DEs at that pick are gone? For such a great athlete to never start under Chan Gailey in 3 years, Im guessing that he may not draw much interest from the chiefs if Chan had any say--which he should.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-23-2009 11:04 PM

If I were to rank DEs right now, this would be it:

1. Orakpo
2. Brown
3. English
4. Barwin
5. Maybin
6. Johnson
7. Ayers
8. C. Brown
9. Kruger
10. Kyle Moore

warrior 02-24-2009 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5521369)
If I were to rank DEs right now, this would be it:

1. Orakpo
2. Brown
3. English
4. Barwin
5. Maybin
6. Johnson
7. Ayers
8. C. Brown
9. Kruger
10. Kyle Moore


Hamas have you seen Barwin play, an intriguing prospect converted TE 11 sacks his 1st year playing the position. He also looked good in all drills at combine just needs to get stronger.

philfree 02-24-2009 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrior (Post 5522038)
Hamas have you seen Barwin play, an intriguing prospect converted TE 11 sacks his 1st year playing the position. He also looked good in all drills at combine just needs to get stronger.

He was talking up moving to OLB in a 3-4. Said he was good in space and liked defense so he thought OLB was the next step.


PhilFree:arrow:

warrior 02-24-2009 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5522048)
He was talking up moving to OLB in a 3-4. Said he was good in space and liked defense so he thought OLB was the next step.


PhilFree:arrow:

Seen that, Chiefs need a DE though and he's big enough just looking for a bargin maybe the next J Allen.

Frosty 02-24-2009 09:37 AM

Has Barwin put himself in the 1st round with that performance?

Frosty 02-24-2009 09:47 AM

Is there a site that shows the measurements taken at the Combine? Stuff like exact height, arm length, hand size, etc?

ArrowheadMagic 02-24-2009 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arc (Post 5522129)
Is there a site that shows the measurements taken at the Combine? Stuff like exact height, arm length, hand size, etc?

http://www.draftcountdown.com/featur...ne/Results.php


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