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doomy3 02-22-2009 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515680)
If 16 games don't provide a large enough sample size for you to judge him on, why are you getting worked up over a few passes in a non-game situation today? Don't you think that is irrational?
I'm not worked up at all. And if anything, those 16 games didn't solidify him as a top 3 pick, IMO. And he didn't do anything at the combine to change that. If this is just trash, then why bother with it? I'm sure if he would have made all of his throws, the same people on here saying it doesn't matter would be on here telling others about how great he looked.

Hell, earlier in this thread a jab was taken at people because a "source" said Stafford looked good on the chalkboard. I don't think the absurdity is just coming from one direction here.

eazyb81 02-22-2009 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515679)
All I hear about his how 'talented' the kid is. He didn't show that today. Against air, and in shorts, the 'pressure' was too much for him. He missed throws high and low and looked tight.

Oh, and I didn't see this 'strong arm' that everyone talks about. He came in with some question as to his arm strength.... I think those questions still remain.
???

The "pressure" got to him? What pressure? He wasn't in pads, he didn't have 300 lb linemen trying to rip his head off, it wasn't the 4th quarter of a game.....if anything, it shows he doesn't do well in awkward, non-game situations, and even that is a HUGE reach considering everyone is making conclusions based on one day of practice.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5515676)
Nobody said that.
..

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC (Post 5515601)
sanchez blows

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515673)
I'm not the ones saying that he's going to free fall or that he sucks because he was missing throws in shorts to guys he's never played with.

It was a poor performance, undoubtedly, but if anyone thinks that it will matter one bit to any scout, they are absolutely delusional.

Those drills are primarily designed for the WRs. That's why they call it a "route tree".
LOL. No, the combine doesn't matter at all. Oh, and of course these drills only matter for the WR's.

But, it is just amazing.... how this guys physical abilty would do nothing but help him... only it didn't.

milkman 02-22-2009 01:20 PM
Mayock just showed some highlights and talked about Sanchez's accuracy and arm strength.

But this workout just showed he lacks both.

he should go in the 5th round.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515693)
???

The "pressure" got to him? What pressure? He wasn't in pads, he didn't have 300 lb linemen trying to rip his head off, it wasn't the 4th quarter of a game.....if anything, it shows he doesn't do well in awkward, non-game situations, and even that is a HUGE reach considering everyone is making conclusions based on one day of practice.
uh, milkman said that in this thread.

Pablo 02-22-2009 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515695)
..
Ok.

Somebody said that. I didn't.

eazyb81 02-22-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515691)
I'm not worked up at all. And if anything, those 16 games didn't solidify him as a top 3 pick, IMO. And he didn't do anything at the combine to change that. If this is just trash, then why bother with it? I'm sure if he would have made all of his throws, the same people on here saying it doesn't matter would be on here telling others about how great he looked.

Hell, earlier in this thread a jab was taken at people because a "source" said Stafford looked good on the chalkboard. I don't think the absurdity is just coming from one direction here.
I never said it was. Of course everyone has their own biases that they try to push.

My whole point is that it is absolutely absurd to feel that 16 games were not enough to evaluate Sanchez, but this one day of practice seals the deal for you or anyone on him. That doesn't make sense in my mind.

milkman 02-22-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515686)
Show me a scouting report that questions his arm strength.
Todd McDumbass.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515693)
???

The "pressure" got to him? What pressure? He wasn't in pads, he didn't have 300 lb linemen trying to rip his head off, it wasn't the 4th quarter of a game.....if anything, it shows he doesn't do well in awkward, non-game situations, and even that is a HUGE reach considering everyone is making conclusions based on one day of practice.
No, Milkman said he was under more pressure than the other QB's that looked much better than he did. Now, it is everyone's biggest day in their career, but Sanchez was under much more pressure for some reason.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515704)
I never said it was. Of course everyone has their own biases that they try to push.

My whole point is that it is absolutely absurd to feel that 16 games were not enough to evaluate Sanchez, but this one day of practice seals the deal for you or anyone on him. That doesn't make sense in my mind.
The issue wtih 16 games is more about Sanchez's experience, not the ability to evaluate him. Junior QB's typically struggle... much less guys with 16 games of starting experience.

milkman 02-22-2009 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515706)
No, Milkman said he was under more pressure than the other QB's that looked much better than he did. Now, it is everyone's biggest day in their career, but Sanchez was under much more pressure for some reason.
You really are trying to not see any side but your own, aren't you?

I conceded that this workout could hurt him.

You refuse to even acknowledge any viewpoint but your own.

gta0012 02-22-2009 01:24 PM
So now who do we pick?? Crabtree...injured...Sanchez...big gamble. This draft SUCKS for a 3rd pick!

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515699)
LOL. No, the combine doesn't matter at all. Oh, and of course these drills only matter for the WR's.

But, it is just amazing.... how this guys physical abilty would do nothing but help him... only it didn't.
You are an idiot if you think that those 10 throws by a quarterback to guys he's never played with before, mean rat shit to a scout.

If you take a 5 step drop to throw an out and the ball comes out as soon as your foot plants on the last step, the speed at which the WR runs his route and makes his cut makes all the difference. If the WR makes a bad cut and the ball goes nowhere near him, he's not the one who looks bad, even if he's the one who made the mistake.

eazyb81 02-22-2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515701)
uh, milkman said that in this thread.
Okay....I'm not milkman. I think if anything it was a lack of pressure.

For many people, it's hard to get pumped up or focused when practicing for a game or studying for a test, but when the big moment comes then it's go time and it all clicks.

All I'm saying is that this one day of practice throws should not override or even come close to matching his actual performance in game situations.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515704)
I never said it was. Of course everyone has their own biases that they try to push.

My whole point is that it is absolutely absurd to feel that 16 games were not enough to evaluate Sanchez, but this one day of practice seals the deal for you or anyone on him. That doesn't make sense in my mind.
You're kind of putting words in my mouth. I said I didn't think there was a good enough sample size to evaluate him. I was hoping he would come out today and impress, much like Flacco did last year. His performance definitely didn't do anything to help him, so if there were already people who had question marks, why should they feel better after today? Other than the fact that he at least competed, which I like. It doesn't seal the deal or anything like that, but I don't think he is a homerun pick either. I will be fine if Pioli/Haley like him though.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515705)
Todd McDumbass.
Well, Todd McDumbass looked pretty smart with the way that Sanchez performed. I expected a shorter, more compact delivery.

Nothing about this guy says pro. From his refusal to listen to his coach and his family, to his decision to hire his brother as his agent.

I hope the Chiefs don't draft him, but I will be curious to see how he does in his career.

milkman 02-22-2009 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515715)
Okay....I'm not milkman. I think if anything it was a lack of pressure.

For many people, it's hard to get pumped up or focused when practicing for a game or studying for a test, but when the big moment comes then it's go time and it all clicks.

All I'm saying is that this one day of practice throws should not override or even come close to matching his actual performance in game situations.
I thought it was a case of pressing, because his mechanics, which are usually near flawless were really off.

But you make a good point.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515714)
You are an idiot if you think that those 10 throws by a quarterback to guys he's never played with before, mean rat shit to a scout.

If you take a 5 step drop to throw an out and the ball comes out as soon as your foot plants on the last step, the speed at which the WR runs his route and makes his cut makes all the difference. If the WR makes a bad cut and the ball goes nowhere near him, he's not the one who looks bad, even if he's the one who made the mistake.
Hamas, let's be honest.

If he would have looked great today, you would have been among the many who would have been on this thread talking about how he cemented himself as a top pick.

milkman 02-22-2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515719)
Well, Todd McDumbass looked pretty smart with the way that Sanchez performed. I expected a shorter, more compact delivery.

Nothing about this guy says pro. From his refusal to listen to his coach and his family, to his decision to hire his brother as his agent.

I hope the Chiefs don't draft him, but I will be curious to see how he does in his career.
I'm done with you ****head.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515721)
Hamas, let's be honest.

If he would have looked great today, you would have been among the many who would have been on this thread talking about how he cemented himself as a top pick.
I've been pretty consistent in saying that there is no reason for top QBs to throw because it means nothing.

I wasn't one of the people jumping up and down like monkeys when Stafford wouldn't throw and how that would knock him down on their board.

Like I said, the only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic. Everything else you need to evaluate them is on tape.


And God, Shonn Greene with a horrible ****ing 40.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515714)
You are an idiot if you think that those 10 throws by a quarterback to guys he's never played with before, mean rat shit to a scout.

If you take a 5 step drop to throw an out and the ball comes out as soon as your foot plants on the last step, the speed at which the WR runs his route and makes his cut makes all the difference. If the WR makes a bad cut and the ball goes nowhere near him, he's not the one who looks bad, even if he's the one who made the mistake.
If we were talking about game situations, you would be right. Because the WR is running to uncover himself and the ball must be thrown often before the QB can even see the WR.

However, in this situation, the cones are ste up as for when the WR's are to break, and the QB gets to watch him the entire route and time his throw accordingly. Sanchez's throws weren't even close most of the time.

I thought we were watching film of Tyler Thigpen out there.

Just more evidence that the franchise QB crowd will justify anything they have to in order to feel good about drafting a QB at #3.

Pablo 02-22-2009 01:32 PM
Ian Johnson with a 4.38

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515735)
If we were talking about game situations, you would be right. Because the WR is running to uncover himself and the ball must be thrown often before the QB can even see the WR.

However, in this situation, the cones are ste up as for when the WR's are to break, and the QB gets to watch him the entire route and time his throw accordingly. Sanchez's throws weren't even close most of the time.

I thought we were watching film of Tyler Thigpen out there.

Just more evidence that the franchise QB crowd will justify anything they have to in order to feel good about drafting a QB at #3.
No. QB pats the ball, WR starts his route. QB starts his drop, WR is running. QB hits his last step and lets it fly, the WR cuts when he gets to the cone.

Keep in mind, I'm not making an excuse for Sanchez's throws, which were inaccurate, but your idea of how the route progresses is incorrect.

Wow. Great 40 from Ian Johnson. Thought he was more of a 4.5-4.6 guy.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515712)
You really are trying to not see any side but your own, aren't you?

I conceded that this workout could hurt him.

You refuse to even acknowledge any viewpoint but your own.
Yes, that is it. I am the hard headed one. LOL. I was hoping to see him perform well. He didn't.

I have said that if the Chiefs take him, I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see any way they will.

It would be different if he had done well, and I was trying to say it wasn't that good. He did poorly, and all this justifcation and excuse making starts.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515743)
No. QB pats the ball, WR starts his route. QB starts his drop, WR is running. QB hits his last step and lets it fly, the WR cuts when he gets to the cone.

Wow. Great 40 from Ian Johnson. Thought he was more of a 4.5-4.6 guy.
Actually, it depends on the drill. He missed two throws without even dropping. They did the first couple throws without dropping back at all.

Then, there is the five step drop where they must throw imediately. However, they get to watch the WR during that time and time their throw accoringly, and there are CONES to know where the WR is cutting. (throw for the cones and if the WR isn't there, at least look on target)

Then, there is the seven step drop with more time to watch the WR.

Oh, and finally, on the post corner, there was a hitch in as well, to watch even longer.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515753)
Actually, it depends on the drill. He missed two throws without even dropping. They did the first couple throws without dropping back at all.

Then, there is the five step drop where they must throw imediately. However, they get to watch the WR during that time and time their throw accoringly, and there are CONES to know where the WR is cutting. (throw for the cones and if the WR isn't there, at least look on target)

Then, there is the seven step drop with more time to watch the WR.

Oh, and finally, on the post corner, there was a hitch in as well, to watch even longer.
I was pretty obviously talking about the out routes :doh!:

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515733)
I've been pretty consistent in saying that there is no reason for top QBs to throw because it means nothing.

I wasn't one of the people jumping up and down like monkeys when Stafford wouldn't throw and how that would knock him down on their board.

Like I said, the only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic. Everything else you need to evaluate them is on tape.


And God, Shonn Greene with a horrible ****ing 40.
One must wonder why Sanchez threw then. In my opinion, he has made quite a few, from coming out early despite the advice of his coach and parents, to hiring his brother as his agent.

I know, I am am just bashing the kid. But, the pro Sanchez crowd act like he is a no brainer. I think he will be a bust in five years.

Akili Smith has a similar story to Sanchez's, in that he had one good year, and then vaulted to a top five pick.

In fact, does ANYONE have an example of a single QB that started for one year prior to coming out, especially, as a junior that ever panned out in the NFL?

Seriously.

Bowser 02-22-2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515743)

Wow. Great 40 from Ian Johnson. Thought he was more of a 4.5-4.6 guy.
The Boise State kid?

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515759)
I was pretty obviously talking about the out routes :doh!:
Of course, because the other routes don't matter, right?

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515765)
One must wonder why Sanchez threw then. In my opinion, he has made quite a few, from coming out early despite the advice of his coach and parents, to hiring his brother as his agent.

I know, I am am just bashing the kid. But, the pro Sanchez crowd act like he is a no brainer. I think he will be a bust in five years.

Akili Smith has a similar story to Sanchez's, in that he had one good year, and then vaulted to a top five pick.

In fact, does ANYONE have an example of a single QB that started for one year prior to coming out, especially, as a junior that ever panned out in the NFL?

Seriously.
Yes.

Sanchez was also cheated on the Wonderlic, like Akili Smith.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515768)
Of course, because the other routes don't matter, right?
Do you want me to break down every ****ing route by text?

Jesus Tits.

milkman 02-22-2009 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515773)
Yes.

Sanchez was also cheated on the Wonderlic, like Akili Smith.
Has Sanchez taken the Wonderlic, and if so, has his score been posted?

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515700)
Mayock just showed some highlights and talked about Sanchez's accuracy and arm strength.

But this workout just showed he lacks both.

he should go in the 5th round.
Yes, this.

Great value for KC in the 6th.

Hey, isn't this where Pioli does his best work? Good news!

milkman 02-22-2009 02:01 PM
Anyone else notice that Sanchez has moved up 4 spots from 10 to 6 since yesterday in Mayock's player rankings?

It'll be interesting to see how this workout today affects his ranking tomorrow. or when he next updates it.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-22-2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515719)
Well, Todd McDumbass looked pretty smart with the way that Sanchez performed. I expected a shorter, more compact delivery.

Nothing about this guy says pro. From his refusal to listen to his coach and his family, to his decision to hire his brother as his agent.

I hope the Chiefs don't draft him, but I will be curious to see how he does in his career.
:spock:

aturnis 02-22-2009 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515733)
And God, Shonn Greene with a horrible ****ing 40.
What'd he run?

NickAthanFan 02-22-2009 02:24 PM
People crack me up--don't pick a guy cause he has a great workout at the combine, he's just a workout warrior. Guy has a bad workout, don't pick him because he's a complete bust.

People focus way too much on the combine and not enough of the games.

NickAthanFan 02-22-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 5515872)
What'd he run?
7.3

doomy3 02-22-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 5515872)
What'd he run?
4.63

aturnis 02-22-2009 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515753)
Actually, it depends on the drill. He missed two throws without even dropping. They did the first couple throws without dropping back at all.
If anything...not dropping back will hurt a QB's accuracy. It's a process and motion they get used to.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-22-2009 02:27 PM
Anyone know what round Ian Johnson was projected to go before his nice 40 time?

aturnis 02-22-2009 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515884)
4.63
Slow...but not much slower than expected.

CrazyHorse 02-22-2009 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515714)
You are an idiot if you think that those 10 throws by a quarterback to guys he's never played with before, mean rat shit to a scout.

If you take a 5 step drop to throw an out and the ball comes out as soon as your foot plants on the last step, the speed at which the WR runs his route and makes his cut makes all the difference. If the WR makes a bad cut and the ball goes nowhere near him, he's not the one who looks bad, even if he's the one who made the mistake.
Okay, but in all fairness Hamas, the sideline is the same for everyone. If you're throwing the ball 5+ yards out of bounds, you cant blame the WR for that. Understand too that all the other QBs are working out there under the same conditions and looked better. You cant just make excuses because they suit your agenda.

If the guy shits in his hat, he shits in his hat. That's all there is to it.

NickAthanFan 02-22-2009 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5515934)
Okay, but in all fairness Hamas, the sideline is the same for everyone. If you're throwing the ball 5+ yards out of bounds, you cant blame the WR for that. Understand too that all the other QBs are working out there under the same conditions and looked better. You cant just make excuses because they suit your agenda.

If the guy shits in his hat, he shits in his hat. That's all there is to it.
So you think you should make your decision on who you draft based upon the combine?

CrazyHorse 02-22-2009 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NickAthanFan (Post 5515944)
So you think you should make your decision on who you draft based upon the combine?
No. But I think that the combine is a venue to raise your draft status. So it only makes sense that it can potentially lower your draft status.

I thought Sanchez was a high risk prospect in the beginning and if anything, that thought was elevated today.

But I definately wouldn't say that a bad day in Indy is the final say in anyones carreer.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2009 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515765)
One must wonder why Sanchez threw then. In my opinion, he has made quite a few, from coming out early despite the advice of his coach and parents, to hiring his brother as his agent.

I know, I am am just bashing the kid. But, the pro Sanchez crowd act like he is a no brainer. I think he will be a bust in five years.

Akili Smith has a similar story to Sanchez's, in that he had one good year, and then vaulted to a top five pick.

In fact, does ANYONE have an example of a single QB that started for one year prior to coming out, especially, as a junior that ever panned out in the NFL?

Seriously.
Where do you come up with this stuff?:doh!:

doomy3 02-22-2009 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5515989)
Where do you come up with this stuff?:doh!:
Just out of curiosity, which part of his post are you saying isn't true?

DrRyan 02-22-2009 03:02 PM
I agree, those passes he threw out of bounds were very unimpressive. They also seemed to be harping on his long delivery. I will view it as a whole after he has his pro day and team workouts. If the Chiefs rate him highly and view him as a franchise QB, then you take him. If not and they don't take him, so be it. Pioli, the scouts, and the rest of the player personnel dept. know much more than any CP armchair GMs do.

DrRyan 02-22-2009 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515765)
One must wonder why Sanchez threw then. In my opinion, he has made quite a few, from coming out early despite the advice of his coach and parents, to hiring his brother as his agent.

I know, I am am just bashing the kid. But, the pro Sanchez crowd act like he is a no brainer. I think he will be a bust in five years.

Akili Smith has a similar story to Sanchez's, in that he had one good year, and then vaulted to a top five pick.

In fact, does ANYONE have an example of a single QB that started for one year prior to coming out, especially, as a junior that ever panned out in the NFL?

Seriously.
All seem to be sensible questions to ask. You cannot just say pull the trigger on the guy without asking and finding the answers those questions. Coming out as a Junior as well as lack of starts are valid questions about drafting a QB early.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2009 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515990)
Just out of curiosity, which part of his post are you saying isn't true?
The advice from his coach part isnt true.... It has been discussed over and over again, and proven false in the Sanchez interview...

Watching people grasp for anything to get a RT drafted at the #3 spot is quite amusing...

ChiefsCountry 02-22-2009 03:09 PM
His brother isnt his only agent, he has a real sports agent as well.

doomy3 02-22-2009 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5516005)
The advice from his coach part isnt true.... It has been discussed over and over again, and proven false in the Sanchez interview...

Watching people grasp for anything to get a RT drafted at the #3 spot is quite amusing...

Of course you again don't bring anything of substance to any discussion, but just put words in people's mouths.

And, what did Sanchez say in his interview that says it's not true that Carrol thought he should stay and develop another year?

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516011)
His brother isnt his only agent, he has a real sports agent as well.
Shhhhhhhh.

That doesn't count.

Kylo Ren 02-22-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5515208)
Begins in a few minutes... 10:00AM Central on NFLNetwork.

Just a heads up.
test

milkman 02-22-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516011)
His brother isnt his only agent, he has a real sports agent as well.
I'm pretty sure that we've said that about a dozen times, and all we see from the ****er, even after reading it is he's immature cause he hired his brother.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2009 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5516012)
Of course you again don't bring anything of substance to any discussion, but just put words in people's mouths.

And, what did Sanchez say in his interview that says it's not true that Carrol thought he should stay and develop another year?
Great thanks for replying... Enjoy, but I remembered the other day that I was going to put back on ignore....

Thanks!

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516011)
His brother isnt his only agent, he has a real sports agent as well.
I keep reading that here. Who is his other agent?

Not saying it isn't true, but just wondering.

Now, his brother is a licensed attorney, so it isn't as bad as some would assume. I should have pointed that out.

However, he has zero experience as an agent and looks to be cashing in on his little brother.

doomy3 02-22-2009 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5516026)
Great thanks for replying... Enjoy, but I remembered the other day that I was going to put back on ignore....

Thanks!
LOL. Of course another bullshit post from Reerun that doesn't say anything.

It's also funny how much different this post is from the PM you sent me last week that said this:

Hey, I am just totally messing with you tonight. Its nothing personal, just some fun...

I do like your posts and your thoughts on subjects. Your a great poster, keep it up..

Bryan

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516028)
I keep reading that here. Who is his other agent?

Not saying it isn't true, but just wondering.

Now, his brother is a licensed attorney, so it isn't as bad as some would assume. I should have pointed that out.

However, he has zero experience as an agent and looks to be cashing in on his little brother.
I'm sure that an attorney coming from Yale has to worry about "cashing in."

And he's the only representation Sanchez has111FTW1111

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5516026)
Great thanks for replying... Enjoy, but I remembered the other day that I was going to put back on ignore....

Thanks!
I am curious, what did he Sanchez say that said Carroll didn't tell him to stay in another year?

I didn't see anything. I haven't seen any retractions from Carroll. You would think there would be a response if Sanchez was calling him a liar.

milkman 02-22-2009 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516028)
I keep reading that here. Who is his other agent?

Not saying it isn't true, but just wondering.

Now, his brother is a licensed attorney, so it isn't as bad as some would assume. I should have pointed that out.

However, he has zero experience as an agent and looks to be cashing in on his little brother.
It must be those shifty Mexicans.

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5516038)
It must be those shifty Mexicans.
At this point, I'm not going to be shocked when the line of argumentation shifts in this direction.

Does this mother****er have a green card? Is he going to be able to stay in the States?

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5516035)
I'm sure that an attorney coming from Yale has to worry about "cashing in."

And he's the only representation Sanchez has111FTW1111
Probably not fair by me. I don't know his brother. He could be an upstanding guy. Or he could b a lawyer. LOL.

Anyways, are you saying that Sanchez'e only representation is his brother?

If not, do you know who else he hired?

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516041)
Probably not fair by me. I don't know his brother. He could be an upstanding guy. Or he could b a lawyer. LOL.

Anyways, are you saying that Sanchez'e only representation is his brother?

If not, do you know who else he hired?
I'm being a smartass.

To be blunt, no. I don't remember the name. Do some digging in the draft forum. It's been discussed in several of the Sanchez threads.

ChiefsCountry 02-22-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516028)
I keep reading that here. Who is his other agent?

Not saying it isn't true, but just wondering.

Now, his brother is a licensed attorney, so it isn't as bad as some would assume. I should have pointed that out.

However, he has zero experience as an agent and looks to be cashing in on his little brother.
Its David Dunn, Carson Palmer's agent.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5515934)
Okay, but in all fairness Hamas, the sideline is the same for everyone. If you're throwing the ball 5+ yards out of bounds, you cant blame the WR for that. Understand too that all the other QBs are working out there under the same conditions and looked better. You cant just make excuses because they suit your agenda.

If the guy shits in his hat, he shits in his hat. That's all there is to it.
I never said this was an exemplary performance.

What I have said is that the combine doesn't matter for a QB.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2009 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5516033)
LOL. Of course another bullshit post from Reerun that doesn't say anything.

It's also funny how much different this post is from the PM you sent me last week that said this:

Hey, I am just totally messing with you tonight. Its nothing personal, just some fun...

I do like your posts and your thoughts on subjects. Your a great poster, keep it up..

Bryan
Yeah between then and now. I have decided that I dont like you anymore and it isnt worth the time to sit and banter back and forth with you... There isnt much substance from you other than your normal hate of all fans that want to attempt to win championships....

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5516038)
It must be those shifty Mexicans.

No name of a co agent?

It must be something else that you 'read' somwhere, like the girl lying to police.

So, as long as it fits your argument, you just drink it in.

Got it. Just like to know who actually has information, and who is just posting BS that fits their argument.

Not saying it isn't true... just not surprised that you don't know who it is.

doomy3 02-22-2009 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5516049)
Yeah between then and now. I have decided that I dont like you anymore and it isnt worth the time to sit and banter back and forth with you... There isnt much substance from you other than your normal hate of all fans that want to attempt to win championships....
ROFLROFL

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516047)
Its David Dunn, Carson Palmer's agent.
Link, by chance? Just want to read about the agreement.

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516047)
Its David Dunn, Carson Palmer's agent.
There it is.

Thanks.

But this is yet another sign of immaturity. Why can't he get representation from someone not so close to the USC family? Doesn't Sanchez want other opinions?

Flag it. Sanchez in the 6th.

doomy3 02-22-2009 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516052)
No name of a co agent?

It must be something else that you 'read' somwhere, like the girl lying to police.

So, as long as it fits your argument, you just drink it in.

Got it. Just like to know who actually has information, and who is just posting BS that fits their argument.

Not saying it isn't true... just not surprised that you don't know who it is.

It was posted 2 posts ago. Carson Palmer's agent.

orange 02-22-2009 03:27 PM
Sanchez' brother is a lawyer - he got his legal degree from USC. He went to Yale as an undergrad. They hired Carson Palmer's agent as an advisor.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/allt...hez-agent.html

ChiefsCountry 02-22-2009 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516054)
Link, by chance? Just want to read about the agreement.
Mark's brother is the main agent and Dunn is the advisor. And Dunn's company is very good - Athletes First they have Palmer, Rodgers, and I think Cassell.

milkman 02-22-2009 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516067)
Mark's brother is the main agent and Dunn is the advisor. And Dunn's company is very good - Athletes First they have Palmer, Rodgers, and I think Cassell.
They also represent Matt Hasselbeck.

NickAthanFan 02-22-2009 03:56 PM
Breaking news, Sanchez had diarrhea one time, he's gonna fall to the 9th round.

ChiefsCountry 02-22-2009 04:08 PM
Intresting, McDouche just said that Sanchez threw really well.

doomy3 02-22-2009 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516189)
Intresting, McDouche just said that Sanchez threw really well.
then he really doesn't know anything and this just confirms what everyone has thought about his analysis all along.

CrazyHorse 02-22-2009 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5516048)
I never said this was an exemplary performance.

What I have said is that the combine doesn't matter for a QB.
The performance schools those guys go to, not to mention the 300 grand they drop to go, indicate otherwise. If it didn't matter, I sure as hell wouldn't spend the money or the time to go out and risk not only injury, but making myself look bad in front of a bunch of talent scouts.

I dont agree when you say it doesn't matter for the QBs.


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