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bdeg 03-02-2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5546694)
I'd agree if he did anything well, ran well, played the run well something..

Hell I think Brian Johnston has a better shot of being a 3-4 role guy out there than Hali does.

Now I think Flowers will be fine, and I don't particularly like the safeties and most of the front 7 needed to be replaced anyway.
Brian Johnston might shine.

I don't think Flowers will be hurt as much as people think.

Mecca 03-02-2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5546799)
I really don't even care anymore. This is a shitty year to draft #3. I wanted Stafford and would settle for Sanchez but it doesn't matter now because we traded for Cassel who hopefully isn't a one year wonder(odds are he is though). We drafted a LT last year and don't need another, Crabtree isn't a top WR most years, and LB'ers just aren't worth a top three pick. The best possible thing we can do is trade down but I doubt that happens. Personally I feel Haley drafts Crabtree though, if not he gets another LT and moved Albert to OG to help keep Cassel up-right. Curry I think would be the last option, I feel sorry for the Chiefs if Pioli is such a bad drafter he can't find LB's outside of the top 3.
Wait till you see the thread that says the Lions were gonna trade for Cassell...

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-02-2009 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5546855)
I really think Its between Crabtree or a LT for the Chiefs.
Left Tackle please.

HC_Chief 03-02-2009 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5546871)
Left Tackle please.
Depends on how our coaching staff views Albert -v- whatever LT is available (most ratings have Monroe #1).

If we're going to reach at #3, might as well reach for need. Maclin fills two roles of need (slot WR and returner). Raji fills a need (NT). Everett Brown fills a need (rush LB in 3-4), Rey Maualuga (ILB run-stuffing attacking backer in 3-4)

bdeg 03-02-2009 11:44 AM
A slot wr/returner that would be even worse at 3 than Curry or essentially taking a RT.

DeezNutz 03-02-2009 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5546843)
Nobody is worth the three to us now.
Raji might be if the team is for sure switching to the 3-4.

Taking a LT makes me want to ****ing throw up.

RedThat 03-02-2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5546825)
I am going to be shocked if there's a team that wants to trade up to #3 this year.
I wouldn't be shocked at all. It wouldn't surprise me if there are plenty of teams out there that are picking lower then us that Im sure are coveting players they want that are going to go in the top 5.

Were in a great situation. The situation you want to be in rebuilding your franchise.

MOhillbilly 03-02-2009 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5546925)
Raji might be if the team is for sure switching to the 3-4.

Taking a LT makes me want to ****ing throw up.
talkin about drafting another DT is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Bowser 03-02-2009 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5546942)
talkin about drafting another DT is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Yes it is. How many DT's have we taken high since 2000? Too many....

RustShack 03-02-2009 11:54 AM
I really really really think Pioli would swing a trade to get disgruntled Shaun Rogers from Cleveland to be our NT for soon to be DC Romeo Crennel.

SAUTO 03-02-2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5546980)
I really really really think Pioli would swing a trade to get disgruntled Shaun Rogers from Cleveland to be our NT for soon to be DC Romeo Crennel.
me too, hopefully lj's included

HC_Chief 03-02-2009 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 5546956)
Yes it is. How many DT's have we taken high since 2000? Too many....
2001: first pick = Eric Downing; 7th round = Terdell Sands

2002: first pick = Ryan Sims; second pick = Eddie Freeman (I had a full on meltdown)

2003: 7th pick = Montique Sharpe

2004: first pick = Junior Siavii

2007: second pick = Turk McBride; third pick = Tank Tyler

2008: first pick = Glen Dorsey

bdeg 03-02-2009 12:02 PM
That would be sick. They're in the market for a new TE now, too.

HC_Chief 03-02-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5547028)
That would be sick. They're in the market for a new TE now, too.
Strong TE class in the draft this year.

DeezNutz 03-02-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5546942)
talkin about drafting another DT is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
I understand this perspective entirely. It is sickening in a lot of respects.

Chief Faithful 03-02-2009 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5546548)
My goodness, we aren't one friggin inside LBer away. I've been saying it for months, but Raji is the pick.
When I look at Raji I keep remembering how Belichick built his defense around Seymour.

bdeg 03-02-2009 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 5547031)
Strong TE class in the draft this year.
Not particularly. If Gresham had come out, sure.

HC_Chief 03-02-2009 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5547092)
Not particularly. If Gresham had come out, sure.
Pettigrew, Coffman, and Ingram represent as solid a top-three TE class as we've seen in a decade.

For KC I'd love one of the latter two, but I think both will be off the board by the time we pick in the 3rd.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5546762)
just run the corners in a soft cover and let the SS play the line and the FS play cover 1.o:-)
I'd rather play bump and run with the SS at the line and the FS playing Cover 1.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5546841)
Page isn't a perfect safety, but what about the 3-4 hurts him?
Presumably, they're going to run predominantly Cover 1 with the SS up at the line. Page isn't suited for Cover 1 at all. He lacks top-end speed and his zone discipline is awful.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5546861)
Brian Johnston might shine.

I don't think Flowers will be hurt as much as people think.
I'm not suggesting he's gonna be hurt by it.

I'm just saying that in an ideal world, he's not perfect for a pressure defense.

bdeg 03-02-2009 01:14 PM
All good points. It sucks that none of our safeties are fast enough for it. I couldn't find Morgan's 40, but he wasn't projected as a fs either.

MOhillbilly 03-02-2009 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5547305)
I'd rather play bump and run with the SS at the line and the FS playing Cover 1.
soft zone with young DBs will give em a chance to get there head turned, less chance of BS calls.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5547948)
soft zone with young DBs will give em a chance to get there head turned, less chance of BS calls.
Absolutely.

I'm just saying that my ideal scenario would be that we don't have to compensate inside the scheme. But we're going to be doing it for a while so we might as well get used to it. They're going to be turning over personnel on defense for a couple of years if they're intent on going pure 3-4.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-02-2009 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5547305)
I'd rather play bump and run with the SS at the line and the FS playing Cover 1.
This!

MOhillbilly 03-02-2009 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5547965)
Absolutely.

I'm just saying that my ideal scenario would be that we don't have to compensate inside the scheme. But we're going to be doing it for a while so we might as well get used to it. They're going to be turning over personnel on defense for a couple of years if they're intent on going pure 3-4.
Safties are the key. we will have to see what the new staff can do with page and pollard. i got the feeling that there was alot of confusion on the field when it came to safety play either do to flat out poor player performance, poor coaching or a combination of both.
To be honest i feel that Gunther had alot to do with ****in up our young players the past couple years.

edit- you can get away with alot at the line with good safety play.

Delano 03-02-2009 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5547460)
All good points. It sucks that none of our safeties are fast enough for it. I couldn't find Morgan's 40, but he wasn't projected as a fs either.
FWIW he ran a 4.52 at the combine.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5547979)
Safties are the key. we will have to see what the new staff can do with page and pollard. i got the feeling that there was alot of confusion on the field when it came to safety play either do to flat out poor player performance, poor coaching or a combination of both.
To be honest i feel that Gunther had alot to do with ****in up our young players the past couple years.

edit- you can get away with alot at the line with good safety play.
I know Pollard takes alot of heat here, but I've watched both of them intently and I can say without a doubt that Page is a HUGE problem. Many of the plays attributed to Pollard were actually Pollard trying to cover for the fact that Page was ANYWHERE NEAR where he was supposed to be.

For somebody who is supposed to be a zone cover FS, Page just isn't very smart. Combine that with his lack of high-end physical skills and you end up with a disaster waiting to happen.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 5547984)
FWIW he ran a 4.52 at the combine.
That's fast enough, IF the guy has good instincts and recognition skills.

I'd be more interested to know how he did in the drills that demonstrate the ability to change directions and close gaps quickly.

bdeg 03-02-2009 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5548002)
That's fast enough, IF the guy has good instincts and recognition skills.

I'd be more interested to know how he did in the drills that demonstrate the ability to change directions and close gaps quickly.
I found combine results for that year but for some reason he wasn't on it. All I remember was that he performed well enough to make most believe he was a possible 1st. I read one report that said he would eventually be better than Kenny Phillips. I can't imagine they would have written that if he didn't stand out or at least have good times.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-02-2009 03:01 PM
The nice thing about DaJuan Morgan is that he has the physical ability to play either safety spot. He's fast enough, and has a lot of natural explosion.

MOhillbilly 03-02-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5548067)
The nice thing about DaJuan Morgan is that he has the physical ability to play either safety spot. He's fast enough, and has a lot of natural explosion.
when is he projected to go?

RUSH 03-02-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5548084)
when is he projected to go?
lol he's on our team

MOhillbilly 03-02-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 5548128)
lol he's on our team
why doesnt he play then?

MOhillbilly 03-02-2009 03:29 PM
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bdeg 03-02-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5548142)
why doesnt he play then?
He was a rookie 3rd rounder last year and is still learning the position.


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