I just cannot fathom how OU can be seeded higher than kansas and Mizzou. What have they done? Who have they beaten?

The RPI ranks them at 5, but if you go by wins and losses, they just don't beat what MU and ku have done this year.

I agree, but they have been ranked higher all year, so I think the perception is that they are better for some reason.

But isn't the selection process supposed to weed out "perception" to focus on what teams have actually accomplished? Isn't that the whole reason we do it this way instead of just going by the AP top 25 rankings?

Yeah, I know. I don't get it either. I also think that they could be rewarded for having the best player in the nation.

I was just looking at Joe Linardi's sp? bracketology on ESPN and he currently has 7 teams from the Big 10 in the tourney. Wisconsin at 18-12 and Minnesota at 21-10??? Please someone, explain this madness to me. IMO it has been a pretty weak year for the Big 11. Not SEC weak, but I can't see how 7 teams are deserving of tourney bids.

OU is 0-2 vs MU/KU this year but they were without Griffen vs KU.

When does real news come out?

6 pm EST I believe.

I agree completely.

Based on those rankings, either KU or MU has to be a #2, and a strong case can be made for either. The same cannot be said for OU, however.

Another bubble about to burst.....Miss State about to win SEC Championship.

Updated: March 15, 2009
MIDWEST (Indianapolis)
Dayton
(1) LOUISVILLE (28-5)
(16) Opening-round Game
(8) Ohio State (22-9)
(9) SOUTHERN CAL (21-12)
Boise
(5) Clemson (23-8)
(12) VCU (24-9) / CAA
(4) GONZAGA (25-5)
(13) CLEVELAND ST (22-10) / Horizon
Miami
(6) TENNESSEE (21-11)
(11) Creighton (26-7)
(3) Wake Forest (24-6)
(14) BINGHAMTON (22-8) / Amer East
Kansas City
(7) Marquette (24-9)
(10) Michigan (19-13)
(2) Oklahoma (27-5)
(15) CS NORTHRIDGE (16-13) / Big West
WEST (Arizona)
Kansas City
(1) MEMPHIS (31-3) / C-USA
(16) MORGAN ST (22-11) / MEAC
(8) BYU (24-7)
(9) Oklahoma St (22-11)
Portland
(5) Florida St (25-8)
(12) TEMPLE (22-11) / A-10
(4) Washington (24-8)
(13) NORTH DAKOTA ST (24-6) / Summit
Minneapolis
(6) Illinois (24-9)
(11) Saint Mary's (24-6)
(3) Kansas (25-7)
(14) STEPHEN F. AUSTIN (19-7) / Southland
Philadelphia
(7) California (22-10)
(10) Boston College (22-11)
(2) Connecticut (27-4) / Big East
(15) ROBERT MORRIS (24-10) / Northeast



SOUTH (Memphis)
Greensboro
(1) North Carolina (27-4)
(16) RADFORD (18-11) / Big South
(8) Texas (22-11)
(9) UTAH ST (29-4)
Miami
(5) Xavier (25-7)
(12) Wisconsin (18-12)
(4) Syracuse (25-9)
(13) WESTERN KENTUCKY (23-8) / Sun Belt
Philadelphia
(6) LSU (26-7)
(11) Maryland (20-13)
(3) Villanova (26-7)
(14) AMERICAN (24-7) / Patriot
Minneapolis
(7) Arizona St (24-9)
(10) Texas A&M (22-9)
(2) Michigan St (26-6)
(15) PORTLAND ST (20-9) / Big Sky
EAST (Boston)
Dayton
(1) Pittsburgh (27-4)
(16) MOREHEAD ST (17-15) / OVC
(8) Butler (25-5)
(9) SIENA (26-7)
Portland
(5) UCLA (25-8)
(12) NORTHERN IOWA (22-10) / MVC
(4) PURDUE (24-9)
(13) AKRON (22-12) / MAC
Boise
(6) West Virginia (23-11)
(11) Minnesota (21-10)
(3) MISSOURI (27-6)
(14) EAST TENN ST (21-10) / Atl Sun
Greensboro
(7) UTAH (24-8)
(10) Dayton (26-7)
(2) DUKE (27-6)
(15) CORNELL (19-9) / Ivy



If OU gets a #2 seed, that is fucked up.

the ending to this game is insane

That official just screwed Tennessee. He called TO way prior to the 5 second call.

Interesting officiating both ways, to put it mildly.

WTF is going on?

And there is another one. Very strange. 99% of the time that's a foul.

Ok this is nuts.

Not saying OU deserves anything, but you'd really give KU a #2 seed after the last few games they've had?

I don't think KU should get a #2 seed, but they deserve a #2 seed just as much if not more so than Oklahoma. KU has more wins over top 25 rpi teams. If anybody gets a #2 seed from the Big 12, it better be Missouri.

I don't ever want to see Missouri play in Boise again.

Agreed...they won the tournament, let them have it. KU had their chance...

Maybe they could flip flop and drop UCLA to the 6 seed, too.

Here's the latest from Bracketology 101:

Sunday, March 15, 2009

Bracketology 101's Final Field of 65


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OxkZF8Xm-i...ield+of+65.jpgBracket Breakdown
Here is Bracketology 101's Final Field of 65:

Last Four In
Minnesota, Dayton, Maryland, St. Mary's

Last Four Out
Penn State, San Diego State, Creighton, Arizona

Next Four Out
Auburn, Providence, South Carolina, Florida

---------------------------------------------------------------

The Seeds
The 1s
North Carolina, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Michigan State

The 2s
Connecticut, Duke, Memphis, Oklahoma

The 3s
Missouri, Wake Forest, Villanova, Kansas

The 4s
Syracuse, Florida State, Washington, Gonzaga

The 5s
Illinois, Purdue, Xavier, Arizona State

The 6s
UCLA, Utah, West Virginia, Ohio State

The 7s
Tennessee, Texas, Clemson, Butler

The 8s
LSU, Marquette, California, Oklahoma State

The 9s
BYU, Utah State, Michigan, Texas A&M

The 10s
Boston College, Wisconsin, Minnesota, USC

The 11s
Siena, Dayton, Temple, St. Mary's

The 12s
Maryland, Mississippi State, Western Kentucky, Northern Iowa

The 13s
Cleveland State, VCU, Binghamton, American

The 14s
Stephen F. Austin, North Dakota State, Portland State, Akron

The 15s
Cornell, Morgan State, Robert Morris, East Tennessee State

The 16s
Cal State Northridge, Radford, Morehead State, Chattanooga (Play-In Game), Alabama State (Play-In-Game)

I don't think that's a terrible bracket, not sure about Michigan State being a 1 seed though. I think if they won the Big Ten I would've considered it. As much as everyone hates the Big Ten on this board... Izzo's teams are usually competitive in the tournament.

I love how teams that are on the bubble complain. If you can't make a 64 team tournament sit down shut up and **** you.
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I'd agree with you if it was the best 65 teams in the tournament. But it's not.

Why the **** would Michigan State move into a one seed with UCONN AND Memphis as 2s?

Looks like MU & KU's first round opponent will be one of these teams:

Stephen F. Austin, North Dakota State, Portland State, Akron

fixed the 1st 4 seeds

Eh... I don't like all the Big 10 love. I don't think MSU is a #1, and I think the 5/6s could be pushed down a little. I don't see how a 6-loss Big 10 teams gets the nod over a 4-loss Big East team.

Mizzou and OU should be swapped, but I guess the Tigers don't have any superstars that would get 60% camera time and interviews with the parents even if he wasn't playing. :shrug:

Kansas is probably safe as a 3... Syracuse had an epic tournament run, but didn't have any huge signature wins in the regular season. FSU had a good tourney run and beat a Lawson-less UNC, but didn't have any huge wins outside of the Clemson Collapse.

Damn, half the Big 12 is there. Is that the highest turnout for the conference?

I like at the way it is because I don't want a tournament with the 65 best teams. You would have a first round upset all the time. Instead of a #1 - #4 seed playing Morgan State, you would have to play a Kentucky or a Baylor.

The reason why shitty teams are in there is to protect the #1 thru 4 seeds mainly. There's not a huge reward in college basketball as it is for how well you play in the regular season. Because as long as you are the top 34 at-large teams..you have a shot at the championship.

Syracuse beat us and Memphis in the non-con.

I'd personally rather see a smaller school get in there than a team that finishes .500 or worse in a BCS conference anyway. If those teams want their shot, they have their conference tourney to do it... just like Baylor almost did.

My hope is that KU is a 4 or else is seeded lower than Mizzou. This team seems to be motivated by lack of recognition/respect. I think a 4, or a lower seed than Mizzou would do that.

OU shouldn't be ahead of MU & KU. They could have excused the KU & UT losses on Griffin being hurt although I think KU would have beat them with him in the lineup, but they still lost 4 of 6 and their best win all year is fucking Purdue.

I missed Memphis... but, I really wouldn't call Kansas a signature win 5 games into the season.

Just looking at some of the potential first and second round games... can't wait for the brackets to come out to see Kansas' matchups. It's going to be a tough road, unlike the first few rounds last year.

I was thinking that the day they lost to Baylor... I thought they could still be a 3, but wouldn't mind seeing them dumped to like a 4 or a 5. After beating Texas, (I think) Collins said something about "everyone doubting us all season". I think it would be good for them to kind of come down to earth after some were talking about a 1 seed a few weeks ago.

There is zero chance KU will get a #4 seed.

I don't disagree. I was just responding to that post about bubble teams not bitching. The difference between the last team in and the next dozen teams or so is negligible.

College RPI has updated their brackets after the MSU win:

http://www.collegerpi.com/

MU a 3 seed in Minneapolis, ku a 3 seed in Boise, OU a 2 seed in KC.

It seems like it's basically a lock that OU is going to get the 2 seed and will probably get the KC pod also.

What a load of crap that OU gets the 2

Oklahoma:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2lbcbap.jpg

Complete bullshit.

A case can be made for MU or KU, but not OU. ****ing joke.

Self thinks KU is a 3 seed.

Self on CBS he pretty much garentes a 3 seed
Mizzou deserves the best seed in the big 12!

You on the phone with him?

Tell him, "DeezNutz would like to say, 'Hi.'"

Self is such a douche

Let's play a little game here:

Team A: 25-7, RPI 11, SOS 21, record vs top 50: 9-3

Team B: 27-5, RPI 6, SOS 24, record vs RPI top 50: 10-4

Team C: 27-6, RPI 10, SOS 39, record vs top 50: 7-4

Pick which team gets the higher seed.

Gee, that's ironic.

Team C is 28-6.

Team C has a win over a DII team that doesn't count.

Team C. Do I win the game?

I'll let you know in an hour.

Did Virginia's loss to Chaminade not count :p

Gumbel was interviewing him on CBS.

LMAO


Losses to DII teams should count double. But seriously, wins over non D1 teams don't count in the selection process.

I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

CBS sportsline has KU as a 3 going against Binghamton. The Binghamton Bearcats.

It's partially why KSU is so far off the bubble. Technically they are only 20-11 with the win over Kansas School for the Blind not counting. Had they been 21-11, I think they're much closer to the bubble.

My guess:
 

OU gets a 2 seed

KU & MU both get a 3 seed. MU plays at the Sprint Center, KU plays in Minneapolis.

Louisville 1 overall.

Big East the best conference evah111

Louisville #1 overall seed. Wow.

Louisville
Pitt
UNC
UConn

That might mean UConn gets a 1, too.

UCONN gets the 1 seed. Cool

LMAO

they should announce them one team at a time with commercials between each

Midwest coming up, I say either MU or KU will be the 3 seed in the Midwest Region.

The other will probably be the 3 in the West.

the big east deserved 3 #1's

Riveting.

Ohio State gets to play Louisville in Dayton if they win?

**** that. They shouldn't get a mixed crowd like that.

Wow, Siena with a 9. They are a dangerous team. Very athletic.

19-13 Arizona?

Arizona! Every pundit in America on all the networks had them out.

AZ in?

KU to Minneapolis #3

KU a 3

Muted response from the 3 seeded Jayhawks.