Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5651221)

By the same token, we should read too LITTLE into the Chiefs not signing him to a deal.

This idea that Cassel is the starting QB and there's no other possibility is absurd and will be absurd until the day he signs.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5650593)

You need freaking glasses, dude. More than half of those guys are complete BUSTS.

And I'm sorry, but you're putting Leonard Davis in the "good" category. That's flat-out laughable.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5651766)

Then you should make it your mission in life to go tell all the NFL players this past season who voted him into the Pro Bowl that they don't know jack shit because you think he sucks.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5651817)

You're reading comprehension sucks.

A player drafted in the top 5 to be a LT that ends up as a guard pro bowl or not is a bust. If you drafted a guard top 5 you'd be the laughing stock of the entire ****ing league, got it?

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5651839)

Go tell it to the Cardinals. They drafted him and played him at guard for his first three seasons in the league. Seems to me that they drafted him as a guard, played him as a guard, Dallas signed him to play guard, and subsequently he made the Pro Bowl playing as a guard.

All I'm saying is that he was in the Pro Bowl last season and that other players typically don't vote guys in who suck. And "busts" don't usually end up in the Pro Bowl. So, perhaps I do have some comprehension problems where I'm equating the Pro Bowl to not being a bust. I guess others around here have a different understanding of what being in the Pro Bowl means.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5651855)

Who the **** cares where the Cards played him.

They drafted him to play LT, and when they finally did play him at LT they thought enough of him to let him hit the FA market.

He's the kind of safe pick you jizz your pants over.

And the pro bowl means exactly jack.

Oh, oh, oh, we can play him at guard if he can't play LT!

JFC, you are one stupid mother****er.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5651841)

Apparently you don't understand the value of positions, good to know that.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5651867)

A top 5 player that plays guard is a bust, why don't you just take a center with the 1st pick then if positions don't matter, hey take a kicker!

This offseason has really brought out the complete dipshits.

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5651871)

but yet a guy like Joey Harrington isn't a bust because he is still a backup QB in this league?

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5651873)

I wouldn't exactly call him good, he's not Akili Smith bad but he wasn't a good pick or anything like that.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5651766)

Then you should make it your mission in life to go tell all the NFL players this past season who voted him into the Pro Bowl that they don't know jack shit because you think he sucks.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5651746)

I think if they don't draft a QB fairly early I think it would be safe to assume Cassel will be the starting QB on opening day.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5651898)

He made the Pro Bowl as a GUARD. He wasn't DRAFTED as a guard.

And yes, it does matter.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5651855)

Who the **** cares where the Cards played him.

They drafted him to play LT, and when they finally did play him at LT they thought enough of him to let him hit the FA market.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5651889)

Niether one of them were good picks how hard is this to understand?

Does everyones brain just ****ing fall out during draft season? This semantic arguing game is getting really ****ing annoying really ****ing fast. So knock it the **** off and talk like you have a god damn brain.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5651898)

He made the Pro Bowl as a GUARD. He wasn't DRAFTED as a guard.

And yes, it does matter.

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5651930)

Because Davis at G was such a raging success for the Cardinals I heard the Raiders decided to draft Robert Gallery at 2 to play LG for them.

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5651930)

Because Davis at G was such a raging success for the Cardinals I heard the Raiders decided to draft Robert Gallery at 2 to play LG for them.

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5651926)

findthedr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sackofgoo

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5650478)

I think people understand the QB position plenty.

I also think that common sense tells you that the Chiefs aren't taking a QB third overall after trading a 2nd rounder for one just months ago.

I'm not putting QBs in my top 5 because I don't think there is a realistic chance it happens.

1. Curry
2. Crabtree
3. Raji
4. Smith
5. Brown

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5651946)

Well, Robert Gallery could most definitely be a better draft pick than Jamarcus Russell...

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5651926)

findthedr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sackofgoo

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5652002)

As bad as they both are...This is the truth.

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5652070)

Picking a LG at 2 and paying him over $50,000,000 is as bad as picking someone who flames out of the league before their first contract is up.

If you pick a LT (the only position on the O-line you pick that high) in the top 5 and they play G that pick was a massive bust, no matter how good of a G they are.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5651902)

You may be the dumbest person on this board. Seriously. Did you just talk to someone in the Cardinals organization and they specifically told you that they drafted him to be a LT? Because, it seems to me, that if you are drafted to play LT, then you play LT. However, Davis played GUARD for not only his first season in the league with the team that drafted him, but also his second and third. That would indicate that *gasp* they drafted him to play guard, since that's what they exactly did.



Not at the #2 spot. Guards, quality guards can be found deep into the draft. I wouldn't have drafted him at the #2 spot to play guard. Cardinals apparently did though. If it works you up this much, perhaps you should call some one in their organization and see if you can't get a satisfactory explanation on their reasoning behind the pick. I'd hate to see you get an ulcer or something over this.



So, you think that if a guy gets voted to the Pro Bowl in his eighth season of playing football in the league, who has started every game he's played in, a vote by his peers no less, that that means exactly jack? Yeah, I guess the players don't know shit, and we should take the word of some internet dildo who thinks that you can still be an eighth year pro, get voted to the Pro Bowl and still be a bust. Thanks for clearing that up for us Milk. You da man!



This must be a case of the classic euphemism "Takes one to know one."

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5648585)

1. Trade down.
2. Trade down.
3. Trade down.
4. Trade down.
5. Trade down.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5651902)

You may be the dumbest person on this board. Seriously. Did you just talk to someone in the Cardinals organization and they specifically told you that they drafted him to be a LT? Because, it seems to me, that if you are drafted to play LT, then you play LT. However, Davis played GUARD for not only his first season in the league with the team that drafted him, but also his second and third. That would indicate that *gasp* they drafted him to play guard, since that's what they exactly did.



Not at the #2 spot. Guards, quality guards can be found deep into the draft. I wouldn't have drafted him at the #2 spot to play guard. Cardinals apparently did though. If it works you up this much, perhaps you should call some one in their organization and see if you can't get a satisfactory explanation on their reasoning behind the pick. I'd hate to see you get an ulcer or something over this.



So, you think that if a guy gets voted to the Pro Bowl in his eighth season of playing football in the league, who has started every game he's played in, a vote by his peers no less, that that means exactly jack? Yeah, I guess the players don't know shit, and we should take the word of some internet dildo who thinks that you can still be an eighth year pro, get voted to the Pro Bowl and still be a bust. Thanks for clearing that up for us Milk. You da man!



This must be a case of the classic euphemism "Takes one to know one."

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5652113)

Hell, there isn't a descriptor to do justice to your stupidity.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5652113)

I don't give a rat's ass where they played him for his first three seasons...

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652123)

He was drafted to play LT b/c he was drafted #2 overall and no one drafts guards in the top 15, let alone the top 2. Same with centers, right tackles and fullbacks.

Kill yourself.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5652165)

Remember, I'm stupid. Perhaps you should show me how do it, then I promise I'll copy what you do.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5652175)

Your comebacks suck. So do you.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5652183)

What? You didn't like how I talked to your girlfriend? You feel like you have to defend her virtue?

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5652192)

You know, I was wondering, do you think that Sebastian Janikowski was orginally drafted as a OLB, but was a bust, so they switched him to place kicker?

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5651924)

Htis, you usually have a little more sense and rationality than the rest of these people. If the Cardinals played him at guard his rookie, as well as subsequent seasons, wouldn't that indicate that he was drafted to play at guard?

But regardless of the draft position issue, if a guy is an eighth year player who has started every game of his career and has made the Pro Bowl, does that equate to a "bust?" Yes or no?

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5651998)

Best top 5 ive seen so far. Although Brown is growing on me. I would put him above Smith.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5652352)

On Path to the Draft tonight, the special segment was on the defensive ends. Casserly, Davis, and Mayock were all less than impressed with Brown. Both as a 4-3 defensive end and as a 3-4 OLB. Pretty well said he could get exposed big time in either setting. That is me paraphrasing.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5652382)

Yeah, I've cooled on Brown. Somebody mentioned the FSU legacy the other day and it got me thinking about it, and I've just been down on him ever since. I really don't see any way he'll be good enough for the 4-3 which is really going to limit who looks at him.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652126)

The only thing I can think of:

If human rights were intelligence, he'd be the Holocaust.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5652113)

Good god, you are the stupoidest mother****er to ever pound on a keyboard.

I don't give a rat's ass where they played him for his first three seasons, they didn't draft a player that high in the draft to play guard.

They clearly saw what became evident when they did finally play him there to everyone to see.

He sucked ass at LT.

Only a ****ing moron of epic proportions would even think to suggest that he was drafted to play guard with the #2 overall pick.

Jesus Christ, I didn't think it was possible to be this ****ing stupid.

Hell, there isn't a descriptor to do justice to your stupidity.

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5651926)

findthedr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sackofgoo

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5651889)

Niether one of them were good picks how hard is this to understand?

Does everyones brain just ****ing fall out during draft season? This semantic arguing game is getting really ****ing annoying really ****ing fast. So knock it the **** off and talk like you have a god damn brain.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5652175)

Your comebacks suck. So do you.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5652338)

Nope.

The expectation was that Davis was going to be the cornerstone of the line but he couldn't hack it and they moved him to guard.

And you can't just say "regardless of the draft position". He was the 2nd overall pick for Christ's sake...

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5651926)

findthedr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sackofgoo

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652126)

The only thing I can think of:

If human rights were intelligence, he'd be the Holocaust.

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5652528)

why the big poundage on Saccogoo? Actually, more importantly, is it ever going to be possible to debate different opinions without all the intense animosity fodder?

see how htismaqe does it? all class.....

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5652560)

As the great Patrick Swayze (LMAO) once said: (paraphrasing)

There's a time to be nice, and a time to not be so nice.

Sack-o-shit has gone WELL over the acceptable patience levels with his dipshittery - he deserves whatever he gets.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5652567)

swayze=great?????:p

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5652587)

Thus the LMAO

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5652524)

FWIW, Davis did say he could be taught more pass rush moves, and it would be up to the coaches to teach him a few more. But they really could see him struggling in the pass defense area in a 3-4 OLB spot.

Definately a buyer beware type.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5652560)

As the great Patrick Swayze (LMAO) once said: (paraphrasing)

There's a time to be nice, and a time to not be so nice.

Sack-o-shit has gone WELL over the acceptable patience levels with his dipshittery - he deserves whatever he gets.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5652619)

If I were him, I would have ****ed the shit out of the skanky blond. Never could understand that decision.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5652621)

ROFL wasnt she a doctor too?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5652615)

Well, it stands to reason. He's a boom/bust prospect if there ever was one. He's definitely got the most explosive first step of any pass rusher in this draft. I've heard some say he's got one of the best 1st steps they've EVER SEEN, which is phenomenal.

But he's just not fluid in the open field. Who knows, maybe he'll be the next DT. After all, DT had similar holes in his game, even as a pro. Then again, maybe he'll be the next Andre Wadsworth...

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5652528)

why the big poundage on Saccogoo?

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5652766)

They secretly love me. It's kind of like that kid in the fifth grade that picks on the one girl at recess incessantly. It's not that he hates her, he actually loves her and always will. It's the same thing here. They desire and love me so much that they need to have me give them attention, but they are shy and coy about their real feelings towards me. So they act out in a way that they think their peers will find acceptable and still receive attention from me. I think it's cute, and if I was gay, I'd even flirt with them a bit. However, I'm not, so I just find happiness in making them look foolish and silly with their rantings and ravings.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5652734)

They actually called him a "One Trick Pony". And they did not know if he could survive with just the one move, and being a liability against the run as well.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5652931)

Like I said, Derrick Thomas combined basically one ripping pass rush move with one of the most explosive first steps in the history of football into a Hall of Fame career. Teams ran right at him and he couldn't do anything about it. And he really couldn't cover either.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5652944)

Yep, and that's what kept him out of the Hall of Fame for a couple of years. Guys, players remembered he couldn't play the run or pass for shit. Could get into the back field though.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5652766)

They secretly love me. It's kind of like that kid in the fifth grade that picks on the one girl at recess incessantly. It's not that he hates her, he actually loves her and always will. It's the same thing here. They desire and love me so much that they need to have me give them attention, but they are shy and coy about their real feelings towards me. So they act out in a way that they think their peers will find acceptable and still receive attention from me. I think it's cute, and if I was gay, I'd even flirt with them a bit. However, I'm not, so I just find happiness in making them look foolish and silly with their rantings and ravings.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5652958)

The biggest problem with Brown is that I could EASILY see him being like Thomas - even with the flaws, we'd all take it in a heartbeat. And just as easily, I could see him being a career backup because he can't play any position well.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5653203)

Chiefs are meeting with Rey this week.

I like how Pioli is covering all the bases.

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5653207)

He's awesome at keeping you guessing. I don't seem to remember that being the King's suit.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5652958)

The biggest problem with Brown is that I could EASILY see him being like Thomas - even with the flaws, we'd all take it in a heartbeat. And just as easily, I could see him being a career backup because he can't play any position well.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Ayep.

Hey Htis, can you be the designated poster for the intolerant assholes around here until draft day? You are already carrying the motherload in terms of rationality for that side of the argument...

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5650065)

Holy shit. Did Matt Millen have some effed up genetic experiment done to him a la The Boys from Brazil, gave them one way tickets to Kansas City and an open wifi connection?

Knowing that we now have Cassel as a QB, you people are still putting Stafford and Sanchez as your first choices for the Chiefs pick? I can't wait until next year when all you little Millen replicas want to draft Bradford and McCoy. Oh, that's right. McCoy plays at Texas and all the respectable CP Insiders know that every player from Texas isn't worth jack squat, and since Bradford played in a spread offense, he sucks too. Damnable spread monkeys! I loathe them. They couldn't operate an offense under center in a Pop Warner league, let alone the pros. Goddamn shame Freeman decided to come out. 6'6", 260 lb., cannon arm, and worked in a pro style system. He'd be perfect for us next year...oh, wait. He played in the Big 12, and we should never draft from the Big 12, because every team, and in a direct correlation all players from all teams in that conference sucks dog nuts. Not as much as Texas, but still sucking pretty hard.

I wonder what quarterback from any conference other than the Big 12 we can draft in 2011?

We sure as hell show them boys in Detroit what for! They think that they can draft four wide receivers in five years in the first round?! We'll draft five quarterbacks in five years, hold each of those drafts hostage for potential picks in later years and we'll build a monster team with all those third and fourth round selections! Hostage I say!!!! Hold every draft hostage! The Chiefs will be the only team with first round quarterbacks! We will force all teams to give us picks to make sure that the get a first round quarterback. The quarterback of the future for any team in the NFL will now go through Kansas City!!!! We will have our pick of QBOTF, and trade off the others in our hostage situation. Mother ****ers will have to call in the ****ing FBI to negotiate 'cause we're holding the rest of the drafts till the ****ing end of time mother ****ing hostage!!!! Hostage!!!! I said HOSTAGE!!!!!

So, I have two top five lists. One is mine, encompassing sanity and reason, the other is a CP Insider friendly version so I don't get ripped by all the draft geniuses around here for not wanting to hold the draft hostage. That's right. I said MOTHER ****ING HOSTAGE!!!!!!

Real Top Five:
1. Aaron Curry
2. Brian Orakpo
3. Michael Oher
4. Eugene Monroe
5. Beanie Wells

CP Insider Top Five:
1. St. Sanchez
2. Matt Stafford - who is better than Sanchez, but we all know that every closet homosexual here has an absolute crush on the handsome, exotic Sanchez and seeing him in a Chiefs uniform will help transition us from the Tony G exotic looking homo man crush phase to a new one where we can silently purr in gay joviality that our new 80%'er (sociologists state that only 10% of the population is heterosexual and 10% is homosexual, with the other 80% falling somewhere in-between) is in a position of actual relevance on the football field, unlike a tight end, or, god-forbid, a ILB.
3. Everette Brown - because a short DE/OLB tweener with suspect speed is just what this franchise needs to pull itself from the ashes of putricity.
4. BJ Raji - 'cause he likes weed, doesn't like to study, is short with short arms and has an ass the size of Jupiter. But I bet he'd love hims some of that Gates and Bryants and Haywards and Hereford House and Jess and Jims and Golden Ox and shit like that yo'. Dude was made for guest judging the Lenexa BBQ contest every stinkin' year.
5. Aaron Curry - just because I don't want to look like a complete and utter dumbass I'll reluctantly put his name here because when all is said and done I know from the bottom of my heart that this guy is the best player in the draft, and I really wanted to put him at the number one spot because, well he is the best player and our linebacking situation for the past 20 years has sucked something fierce, but if I did put Curry at my one spot some of the guys around here would call me names and mock me and then where would I be without my social circle of good internets buddies?

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5653203)

Chiefs are meeting with Rey this week.

I like how Pioli is covering all the bases.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5653252)

I don't think Everette Brown is the typical FSU line prospect, so I think that legacy should be looked at with a grain of salt I can be in depth about it if anyone really wants to know.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5653667)

Yep. You're one mountain of rationality, that's for sure. Posts like this one below. Rational.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5653667)

Rational. Teach me the ways of being tolerant and rational like you, please.

Kill yourself.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5653865)

Saccogoo may not always be right, but the guy is funny.