ROFL

That's almost as funny as you and your friends peeing on each other.

The Chiefs will be LUCKY to win 4 games.

4.

Someone forgot to show him the schedule.

2ed round pick..

no problem

You can say that every year about everyone's schedule.

I bet people were licking their lips last year to play the Dolphins, Falcons, Cardinals, Ravens, etc...

If Dane thinks we're only going to win 4 games this year he's crazy.

You really are a ****ing moron.

The Chiefs NEED a right tackle, center, right guard and right tackle. They NEED a speed WR, depth at running. They NEED a passing rushing DE or OLB, and defensive line help. They NEED depth at nearly every position.

Until these positions are adequately addressed, the Chiefs aren't winning jackshit.

Whether you like it or not.

What do you wanna bet, Hootie?

Put your ass on the line.

Um who are they gonna beat?

Even if you're nice and say they go 3-3 in the division outside of the division they have the NFC East which is brutal and the AFC north so there's maybe 2 there ok 5.

Well, it has been argued that Vrabel was traded out of NE because he ripped Robert Kraft on some revenue issues. But I agree with you, if Gonzo is going to constantly while about it, get something for him. But I think he's a guy who if he's not traded, will shut his mouth during the season and work hard to help the team succeed. If I am Pioli, I either trade him now, or tell him that he's not going to be traded and that he should keep his mouth shut...

:Dso you have us needing 8 guys, goff was signed so 7 guys, we have 76 picks trade down and we've got em.. every player drafted willl start and super bowl here we come:D

They'll probably look better on the field but the schedule is much harder so there may not be any great improvement in wins.

it's true that you never know how the games will play out, i'll reserve judgement until after the draft

Where's Hootie?

Funny how guys like him disappear after a wager has been offered.

Pioli wasn't picking them.

Do the deal
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A cherry picking asswhipe move. You're better than that, I hope.
A division with Tony G, KWII and Shockey would be interesting.

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I'd be all for sending Tony to them, I'm tired of his whining. The only real issue I have is if we are working on a new system with a inexperienced QB and surrounding cast, Tony's ability to catch the ball could be important.

for a 2nd rounder!?!?! do it. I'd trade LJ for that at this time. Yeah you read that right.

They can cover Tony but they can't keep him from catching the ball. I bet Cassel would be in favor of keeping Tony.

PhilFree:arrow:

You SUCK! Don't care about Gonzo? How can anyone in KC not have respect for him. I wouldn't just give him away but if he wanted to go to Atl, then I'd take a second rdr and let him go. He could have left a long time ago and didn't.

I read that as, "You would trade for O.J. in a second."

Clark could have told Pioli OK as long as TG is off limits.

As we saw last year. He is more important to our offense than even Mecca knows.

What I meant was we'd have a pick in the Second Round.
#55 isn't exactly anything to sneeze at.

This team isn't above taking a player even at the bottom of that round.

I am fine with whatever they do. Even if i dont like a particular trade i am fine with it. i wasnt thrilled with the Allen trade last year, but i have no control over what happens. So whatever happens happens. Players come and go.

I'll wait until after the draft and after all of the signings are in before I make any wagers/predictions about next year.

I think so far Pioli has addressed several needs (Cassel, Vrabel, Thomas, Engram, Goff, Beisel) and I don't think he's done yet.

Come find me after the draft/rest of the signings are in and I'll give you my prediction...and if it's so 'out there' we can make some kind of a wager.

Sounds good.

Regardless of what they do this offseason, I'm sticking to no more than 4 wins.

Why you'd tempt Aaron Curry like this, I have no clue.

I'd put money on them getting 5. $20 sound good?

We should all be emotionally married to a player that's never even been part of a playoff win.

Joe Montana won 4 Superbowls and got traded.

I am pretty sure Pioli cares more about the color of my poop than what Cassel thinks.

If that was the case, I am pretty sure Pioli would have told Clark to go **** himself and then finish his career in New England.

Also why do people think Gonzalez is a team leader? I've never seen that I've seen a guy who's been great at his position and cares about his personal stats but not team leader.

maybe.


He's been a bust, 0 sacks in 07, 2 last year. Mike Smith may try him more at DT hoping to get something out of him.

He might be a good fit for a 5tech in the 34. We could probably have a shot at Jarron Gilbert at #55 and try to develop him instead. I'd trade Tamba for him straight up though.

We were 2-14 last year and looked god awful on both sides of the ball. Last year did not establish any precedence about the future of this football team.

First of all, Tony could care less about KC so **** him. Even if really did love KC, then... well bye. My loyalty lies to the team and the insignia that represents it, not to any particular player.

Secondly, it does not matter if he wants to go to Atlanta or not. Pioli will ship Tony's ass off to Atlanta, whether Tony likes it or not.

Finally, I have no sympathy for millionaires.

I respect him as a player, but my emotional attachment to him is as strong as his emotional attachment to me.

As I said, I'm a fan of the franchise and the city more generally.

Furthermore, I don't give a **** what he wants to do. We should be making moves that benefit the long-term viability of the franchise, as it relates to Gonzo and everyone else.

I'm sure the $$$ had nothing to do with why he didn't leave earlier in his career. Gonzo isn't an idiot; he's had both eyes open every time he's re-signed with this team, so I have no sympathy for his "plight."

I think that if you subtract Herm and Carl and plug in a decent QB, they could have won 4 games last year.

I'm guessing they win 6 or 7 in 2009, with the improvements, the new coaching, hopefully removing distractions, and playing in a weak division.

Obviously making the playoffs is a pipe dream, but they could improve 4 or 5 games. That's the team's ceiling in Pioli: Year 1, but they could do it.

This makes me nervous not for sentimental reasons but because we'd be taking away Cassel's best weapon. But of course a lot of people want Cassel to fail... but as much as people tout this guy and that guy as the next great TE over and over... Gates is really been the only one to come close. Gonzalez would be very difficult to replace.

Yep. I don't like the idea of trading Tony G right now. We don't have enough weapons for Cassel if he is gone.

I don't think anyone wants Cassel to fail. I've stated that it's not the move I wanted, and I don't think it will ultimately prove successful, but I hope to be wrong. I think the perceived "Cassel opponents" largely fall into this category.

And I agree that you're almost certainly not going to replace Gonzo, now or in the foreseeable future. But a competent TE and a stronger group of WR's would work, too.

Other than we have a coach and GM who come from teams that stress the WRs as weapons and the TE's as blockers...

It's a deep WR draft on top of that. This is probably dirty to Chiefs fans but you're better off with your weapons being outside and your TE just being a complimentary piece.

I don't want Cassel to fail. However, if the Falcons are willing to give up a 2nd Round pick for an aging TE, who has stated that he would only play for 1-2 more years, then you make that trade.

I don't get this... Cassel probably has more than one year left in the tank.

No other team in the league has a Tony Gonzalez. They all groom young QBs anyway. We've got Bowe, we brought in Engram, we spent a first day pick on a (supposed)pass-catching tight end last year. And there are plenty of WRs and TEs in the draft.

Is that the best skill position lineup in the league? No. But you know what, Cassel is a veteran player now. He can deal with it. This isn't tecmo bowl where you only have one year. What, are we going to cost ourselves a playoff appearance...?

What is the risk? What is the worst case scenario? The offense sucks again?

If you have a chance to trade a player who only has one or two seasons left for a second round pick, do it.

You just answered your own question.

That's the thing, you really don't NEED to replace him, as Haley doesn't utilize the TE as a weapon in his offense.

Most teams don't - people here just think that the offense should run through the TE, because it has for the last 10 years.

What are we risking by trading him though?

Good point.

Don't handcuff Pioli. Let him run it.

BLASPHEMY!

The Messiah requires no crutches.

We're talking about a coach and GM that are from teams that don't use the TE as a receiver at all...Ben Watson is talented but he doesn't catch alot of passes by any means.

Hell Cassel just spent a season rarely even looking at a TE.

Absolutely. Agree completely.

I don't buy that either. People said the exact same thing when Al Saunders stepped in here. If the Patriots or Cardinals had a weapon like Tony Gonzalez, they absolutely would've used him. Just like the Cowboys use Witten as a main offensive weapon.

Well the Chiefs with Saunders basically never got remotely talented WR's, that's their fault. They ran the passing game through Gonzalez without much of a choice..

And the Cowboys passing game running through Witten was a bit dumb when you realize what else is on that team.

Well who wouldn't if you had someone that talented on your roster? But it's definitely not a necessity.

You'll never be able to win without a top TE, FB and guard man.

Neither is having Adrian Peterson...but it sure as hell helps.

There are no amount of Pro-Bowls a QB could make to equal the value of a Tony G.

If we can get a 2nd for Tony... bye bye. A 2nd rd pick for a guy who is going to play another year or two TOPS... for me its a no brainer.

I have a hard on for Cottam and think we has the tools to be the kind of player that can change a game like Tony did for us.

6'8 271... AND can catch AND a 4.6 40?!?!?! Yeesh. He learns how to use that big body to block as well and we are set for the next decade.

**** yes. Great players are always nice to have.

You'll never be able to win without Mark Sanchez man.

When a guy is 34 years old if you get offered a 2 you should probably move him...the only way you shouldn't is if you are at that exact moment a superbowl team and he is a key player.

Atleast he plays a core position.

I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff.

Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks???

The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him.

What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.

Agreed BUT he's made of glass.

a 2nd and a player (of some value) and fine...but like I said, while a 2nd is a strong offer...it doesn't exactly blow me away...and Tony Gonzalez has value in the fact that we're trying to develop a young QB...whether it be Cassel, Thigpen or even Sanchez...

Constantly saying things like "I want to be traded" "if they don't do this and this I don't want to play here" is whiny ass bitch stuff.

We are not competing this upcoming year. We are trying to build a championship football team. A whiny and bitchy Tony Gonzalez is a luxury that we can no longer afford.

This. I've defended the living **** out of that guy, but his latest "Wanna' Trade Shuffle" puts the lid on THAT.

I'd trade Tony for Mark in a New York ****ing Minute.

I'd trade you for a crate of bananas and some Hustler 'sticky pages'.:)

We'll get our 2nd pick back regardless if we trade Tony IMO on draft day. We will probably trade down and get that 2nd back and then see if we can get more from the Falcons like an extra pick or two. If I'm Pioli I wait til draft day and up the urgency. It is the Falcons who approached us and we do not have any urgent need to move him like the Falcons think we do.

It could be the fact that I have tried to erase last season from my mind but I don't recall him being injured while wearing a Chiefs Uni. Did he miss any games for us?

I do know he had a nasty wrist break in college but one injury does not a career define. :dunno:

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Well no it's not a "necessity", but it sure doesn't hurt to have the greatest TE of all time out there drawing triple teams in the red zone. And I'm all for flipping old guys for draft picks, but this is a more careful situation because this is a HOF caliber player that is playing at a high level and draws about as much defense respect as any pass catcher in the league.

I think we can win without him. But I'd definitely try to hold out for a 2nd and a 5th or something. I'd rather get multiple picks out of it.

As the TE stats for the last 10 SB winners show.

An average of 38 catches, 423 yards and 4 TD's over the course of the season.

Yes and, as a fan, I have a right to call him on his whining and bitching. You know what else? Pioli has the right to ship his whiny-ass bitch out of town for a 2nd round pick.

Also, Tony is only going to be with us for one to two more years. A 2nd Round pick has better potential than an aging TE.

Furthermore, we are not competing next year, so losing Tony would not really matter at this point.

I don't disagree with any of this, but I'm actually shocked someone would give a 2nd at this point because of Gonzo's penchant for reminding everyone that he's about to retire in a year or two.

Granted, there's no reason to think he won't still play at a high level, but a second rounder for a one or two-year player seems a steep price.

If it were my team, it would definitely have to be a situation of Gonzo being the final piece for this to make any sense whatsoever.

exaggerate much?

I'd agree he's probably complained too much... but that said, this team has sucked, and his whining has not affected his on-field play one bit. It's not like a TO situation. There are few people in the game of football that you'd rather have out there in the red zone than TG.

And that said, I think he's got 2 more years in him easy, and I think it's obvious by this point that we're trying to be a contender within 2 years. That's how the NFL works nowadays anyway, Pioli's two main buddies, Parcells and Dimitroff turned Miami and Atlanta from total garbage to playoff teams in one year. We aren't going to a Super Bowl but it's very clear this front office isn't gonna be happy with a comfortable 2 win rebuilding season.

Cheers

What is there to exaggerate?

He's said he wants to be traded countless times over the past 2 years.

Grant him his wish, already.

QFT.