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Mecca 04-25-2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5705458)
dude I called it the day Pioli was hired...all of the drafturbators yearning for CP to be gone would HATE Pioli because New England does things THEIR ****ING WAY! The "reaches" Mecca hates will happen every year...because New England drafts by their ****ing board...not Mecca Kiper's.
That really has nothing to do with the absurdity of giving Matt Cassel 36 mill in guaranteed money, that report better be wrong.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:50 PM
it doesn't matter how much Cassel gets...if he pans out it's worth it...if he doesn't, it isn't. Plain and simple...who cares how much he makes? Obviously he's our QB so the drafturbators need to STFU and stop being dumbasses.

stevieray 04-25-2009 12:50 PM
people are using any excuse before the new regime even plays a down so they can bitch all year long. happens every year

all it takes is one player being signed to assume the worst.

one player.

keg in kc 04-25-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5705457)
That's why I said it kinda depends on what we do today. And the rest of the offseason. But don't be silly, Gonzalez is a safety net that few others can match. He's not a big play WR but he's probably the best "safety net" in the league for QB's to dump off to besides Fitzgerald. He single handedly made Tyler Thigpen last year. Now if we go out and get Boldin I revise my statement, haha. But if we just go out and pick up some 4th round WR that's a little different.
I don't think it'll be just a 4th round WR, but what the **** do I know....

It's going to be an interesting day I think.

I hope.

Basileus777 04-25-2009 12:51 PM
That's a pretty good deal if it's really 6/36.

Pioli Zombie 04-25-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 5705396)
Why would Pioli base it on that? They aren't equal at all. Nor close.
I agree. Stafford was a good qb at Georgia. Cassel had a terrific year playing in the National Football League
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ILChief 04-25-2009 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5705458)
dude I called it the day Pioli was hired...all of the drafturbators yearning for CP to be gone would HATE Pioli because New England does things THEIR ****ING WAY! The "reaches" Mecca hates will happen every year...because New England drafts by their ****ing board...not Mecca Kiper's.
I agree. last year everyone said REACH when they took Jerod Mayo in the top ten. He turned out to be badass linebacker and rookie of the year.

In Scott we (Should) trust

keg in kc 04-25-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 5705462)
I don't think many people thought we'd turn around to trade Cassel.
Maybe, but I've seen people fantasizing about that since the day the trade was made. Hell, I thought about it a time or two myself.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705465)
That really has nothing to do with the absurdity of giving Matt Cassel 36 mill in guaranteed money, that report better be wrong.
How is that absurd? Ben Roethlisberger made $30M last year. Starting QB's get paid...they traded for Cassel to be the franchise...he signed a franchise QB contract...boo****inghoo!

If you don't think he's going to get paid as much as the top QB's in the league, you're crazy.

eazyb81 04-25-2009 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705454)
If it's 36 mill in guaranteed money the only QB with more is Stafford...did that go over your head?
1. No it's not - Big Ben has over $36M in guarantees.

2. It's ****ing reeruned to just look at the guaranteed money, when other QBs have monster contracts that may not get paid in full, but most certainly pay them more than $6M a year.

For reference sakes, last year Big Ben made $27M, Jamarcus Russell made $17M, Romo made $13M, Peyton made $12M......this was all earned last year.

Cassel's $6M a year contract will not earn him the 2nd most amount of money of QBs next year. Absolutely ridiculous attempt by you.

tk13 04-25-2009 12:52 PM
I think 36 is a ridiculous ton of money if that's guaranteed, but if you complain about that then you have to complain about the money Stafford and Sanchez are getting too. It's pointless.

irishjayhawk 04-25-2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5705474)
I agree. Stafford was a good qb at Georgia. Cassel had a terrific year paying in the National Football League
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One is 22 the other 27.

milkman 04-25-2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 5705442)
lots of chicken littles in here. Everyone wanted Carl gone (me included) and we get who was widely considered the best possible GM candidate and now everyone second guesses him like they know more than he does. I have faith in the new regime. If they think Cassel is the man, who am I to disagree. I'm fine with Jackson, Curry, Monroe, Crabtree or whoever they think is the best player for the team.

Now, if Pioli is here 20 years and never makes the Super Bowl I will question his decision making. But I'm going to defer to his decisions as I'm sure he knows more than I ever will about player evaluation.

Go Chiefs!
Some of us would have preferred that Hunt look elsewhere for a GM before he hired Pioli.

MoreLemonPledge 04-25-2009 12:52 PM
I'm reserving judgment, but it only says $36 million guaranteed. It may be a $70 million contract with bonuses and such.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5705480)
1. No it's not - Big Ben has over $36M in guarantees.

2. It's ****ing reeruned to just look at the guaranteed money, when other QBs have monster contracts that may not get paid in full, but most certainly pay them more than $6M a year.

For reference sakes, last year Big Ben made $27M, Jamarcus Russell made $17M, Romo made $13M, Peyton made $12M......this was all earned last year.

Cassel's $6M a year contract will not earn him the 2nd most amount of money of QBs next year. Absolutely ridiculous attempt by you.
I think 6/36 is wrong. 36 is guaranteed...if it is 6, it is probably something like 6 for 70.

ChiefsCountry 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
Not my choice but wish Matt the best for the Chiefs sake.
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ILChief 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5705466)
it doesn't matter how much Cassel gets...if he pans out it's worth it...if he doesn't, it isn't. Plain and simple...who cares how much he makes? Obviously he's our QB so the drafturbators need to STFU and stop being dumbasses.
People act like they're paying his salary out of their pockets.

Mecca 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
If it's a regular 6 36 deal it's fine if it's 36 in guarantee's it's absurd.

Nightfyre 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5705466)
it doesn't matter how much Cassel gets...if he pans out it's worth it...if he doesn't, it isn't. Plain and simple...who cares how much he makes? Obviously he's our QB so the drafturbators need to STFU and stop being dumbasses.
Hootie, you are the LAST person who has ANY room to call ANYONE a dumbass.

irishjayhawk 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5705482)
I think 36 is a ridiculous ton of money if that's guaranteed, but if you complain about that then you have to complain about the money Stafford and Sanchez are getting too. It's pointless.
Not from my POV: 22 vs 27. That should indicate a big difference of contract size.


That said, rookie contracts need capping.

kcxiv 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
There are times when you just have to go with your gut instinct and take a chance. Pioli isnt scared too. It could bite him in the ass, but you know what? **** it, he's taken that chance. Now we have to see how it works. He's getting paid alot of money to make these kind of choices. He knows a little bit about what he's doing.

We just have to wait to see if it works out.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5705484)
Some of us would have preferred that Hunt look elsewhere for a GM before he hired Pioli.
I still think the QUATROTEAM of Mecca, Milkman, OTWP and 'Hamas' would have been a great hire.

Mecca 04-25-2009 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5705480)
1. No it's not - Big Ben has over $36M in guarantees.

2. It's ****ing reeruned to just look at the guaranteed money, when other QBs have monster contracts that may not get paid in full, but most certainly pay them more than $6M a year.

For reference sakes, last year Big Ben made $27M, Jamarcus Russell made $17M, Romo made $13M, Peyton made $12M......this was all earned last year.

Cassel's $6M a year contract will not earn him the 2nd most amount of money of QBs next year. Absolutely ridiculous attempt by you.
You know if it has 36 in guarantees the total contract is going to be worth alot more than that right?

Are you just trying to be argumentative today or are you drunk already?

keg in kc 04-25-2009 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5705482)
I think 36 is a ridiculous ton of money if that's guaranteed, but if you complain about that then you have to complain about the money Stafford and Sanchez are getting too. It's pointless.
The salary cap this year is about a cadjillion dollars and the league may be uncapped next year. This ain't 1999. (I'm agreeing with you, btw)

We've gone the full gambit in KC, people used to complain about Lamar being cheap, now Clark overpays.

MoreLemonPledge 04-25-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 5705495)
Not from my POV: 22 vs 27. That should indicate a big difference of contract size.


That said, rookie contracts need capping.
Yes, but the 27 year old has a lot less tread. And he'll only be 33 when his contract expires....hardly old for a QB.

Pioli Zombie 04-25-2009 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705407)
Please tell me that 36 isn't guaranteed...if it is we have the 2nd highest paid QB in the league.
How misleading. If he's cut tomorrow maybe IF it indeed was guaranteed. If he plays out the contract 36 million is not near what Brady and Manning and others will get
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Hootie 04-25-2009 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705491)
If it's a regular 6 36 deal it's fine if it's 36 in guarantee's it's absurd.
yeah because a QB guaranteed to make $15M this year is going to sign that...ROFL

Get over it.

Nightfyre 04-25-2009 12:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5705497)
There are times when you just have to go with your gut instinct and take a chance. Pioli isnt scared too. It could bite him in the ass, but you know what? **** it, he's taken that chance. Now we have to see how it works. He's getting paid alot of money to make these kind of choices. He knows a little bit about what he's doing.

We just have to wait to see if it works out.
Pioli is methodical, not gutsy. Do some people just post out of their ass?

Thig Lyfe 04-25-2009 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5705203)
Holy shit.
Per NFLN.
WTF WHY IS THIS THE THREAD HEADER

MY THREAD WAS FIRST

Mecca 04-25-2009 12:55 PM
Hootie in any football thread is pretty mind boggling.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5705504)
How misleading. If he's cut tomorrow maybe IF it indeed was guaranteed. If he plays out the contract 36 million is not near what Brady and Manning and others will get
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omg do any of you have common sense?

if it's 36 guaranteed, the contract will be about 70M...meaning he is getting paid as much as all the other top QB's...which makes sense because that's what Pioli expects him to be

Nightfyre 04-25-2009 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5705516)
omg do any of you have common sense?

if it's 36 guaranteed, the contract will be about 70M...meaning he is getting paid as much as all the other top QB's...which makes sense because that's what Pioli expects him to be
Hootie is still pissed Huard didn't get this deal.

eazyb81 04-25-2009 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705499)
You know if it has 36 in guarantees the total contract is going to be worth alot more than that right?

Are you just trying to be argumentative today or are you drunk already?
You know if the contract is larger then you absolutely do not have the evidence to say conclusively that Cassel is now the 2nd highest paid QB in the league now, right?

Right now all we know is 6 year, $36M. Even if it's a $70M dollar contract, I GUARAN ****IN TEE Cassel will not be the 2nd highest paid QB next year.

What's our bet?

Noss 04-25-2009 12:56 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...six-year-deal/

Featured
By Joe Fortenbaugh
Posted April 25, 2009 Email to a Friend Print This ShareThisBreaking: Chiefs, Cassel Agree To Six-Year Deal
The Kansas City Chiefs have agreed to terms with quarterback Matt Cassel on a six-year contract extension with $36 million guaranteed, a league source close to the situation has just informed me.

Cassel was acquired by the Chiefs in a trade with New England back on March 1st for a second round draft pick in this year’s draft (#34 overall).

More on this story as it develops. [Posted at 2:15pm eastern]

kcxiv 04-25-2009 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5705508)
Pioli is methodical, not gutsy. Do some people just post out of their ass?
lol When you are paying someone 36 million dollars whos been a back up his whole life (in collage and in the pro's) got his big break by someone getting hurt its pretty gutsy. This could make or break him.

Or its just out of my ass.

Mecca 04-25-2009 12:57 PM
I can't believe someone is defending the idea of Cassel having a 70 million dollar 36 guaranteed contract.

I didn't know we traded for Brady or Manning.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705513)
Hootie in any football thread is pretty mind boggling.
fairly certain Pioli traded for Cassel because he envisioned him as a franchise QB...

Pretty sure Cassel wasn't going to sign anything that didn't pay him franchise caliber money...seeing on how he's getting $15M on his tender this year...meaning he's going to get paid like a top QB...meaning $36M in guarantees is a perfectly logical contract for a franchise QB...something Pioli EXPECTS Cassel to be...get it?

eazyb81 04-25-2009 12:57 PM
and no i'm not drunk yet. i had a nice post-masturbation high going but it's gone now.

ILChief 04-25-2009 12:58 PM
Anyone still think Thigpen will "compete" for the starting job?

Mecca 04-25-2009 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5705520)
You know if the contract is larger then you absolutely do not have the evidence to say conclusively that Cassel is now the 2nd highest paid QB in the league now, right?

Right now all we know is 6 year, $36M. Even if it's a $70M dollar contract, I GUARAN ****IN TEE Cassel will not be the 2nd highest paid QB next year.

What's our bet?
He'll be 2nd or 3rd highest in guarantees....

I love how my point just whooshed.

R&GHomer 04-25-2009 12:58 PM
The suspense is ****ing killing me. Argggggggg..... WTF did they change the draft to 3 in the ****ing afternoon. This is just plain cruel!!

Nightfyre 04-25-2009 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5705522)
lol When you are paying someone 36 million dollars whos been a back up his whole life got his big break by someone getting hurt its pretty gutsy. This could make or break him.

Or its just out of my ass.
I'm sure there are injury clauses.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705523)
I can't believe someone is defending the idea of Cassel having a 70 million dollar 36 guaranteed contract.

I didn't know we traded for Brady or Manning.
WHAT THE **** DID YOU EXPECT GUY?

HE IS A FRANCHISED QB...HE IS IN FOR A BOAT LOAD OF MONEY IF HE DOESN'T SIGN...

THIS IS MARKET VALUE FOR A TOP QB...PIOLI DIDN'T TRADE FOR THE GUY TO BE AVERAGE...

ARE YOU OFF YOUR MEDS TODAY?

kcxiv 04-25-2009 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 5705510)
WTF WHY IS THIS THE THREAD HEADER

MY THREAD WAS FIRST
lol Well mines could have been. I edited it after i hit submit to put in the Per NFLN. lol At first it was just Holy Shit.

keg in kc 04-25-2009 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R&GHomer (Post 5705533)
The suspense is ****ing killing me. Argggggggg..... WTF did they change the draft to 3 in the ****ing afternoon. This is just plain cruel!!
Esto.

I need to log off the ****ing planet and focus on work.

Hootie 04-25-2009 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705532)
He'll be 2nd or 3rd highest in guarantees....

I love how my point just whooshed.
and if Peyton was in line for another contract this year, he'd probably get $50M in guarantees.

Mecca 04-25-2009 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5705536)
WHAT THE **** DID YOU EXPECT GUY?

HE IS A FRANCHISED QB...HE IS IN FOR A BOAT LOAD OF MONEY IF HE DOESN'T SIGN...

THIS IS MARKET VALUE FOR A TOP QB...PIOLI DIDN'T TRADE FOR THE GUY TO BE AVERAGE...

ARE YOU OFF YOUR MEDS TODAY?
You're the one who takes all the drugs not me.

Pioli Zombie 04-25-2009 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 5705483)
One is 22 the other 27.
Wow. Ancient.
Who the hell wants a successful qb in his prime when you can have a kid who nobody knows what he is.
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tk13 04-25-2009 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 5705495)
Not from my POV: 22 vs 27. That should indicate a big difference of contract size.


That said, rookie contracts need capping.
I don't know about that. It's not like Cassel is 31. He's 27, and he's entering his prime years of 27-31ish. It's not like he's ancient. That contract will take him through 33, and that's if he sees the entire thing, which may or may not even happen.

The other guys are rookies who've never played a down. I think the age thing is REALLY overplayed. It's not like we just traded for 30 some year old Trent Green.

eazyb81 04-25-2009 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705532)
He'll be 2nd or 3rd highest in guarantees....

I love how my point just whooshed.
Dude you said 2nd highest PAID QB in the league, not 2nd or 3rd most in guarantees.

It's not like that extra money outside of guarantees just doesn't count.

Thig Lyfe 04-25-2009 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5705537)
lol Well mines could have been. I edited it after i hit submit to put in the Per NFLN. lol At first it was just Holy Shit.
Falsehoods!!!!!1

chiefbowe82 04-25-2009 01:00 PM
jyust showed it's worth 36 million guarenteed according to nfl network

007 04-25-2009 01:02 PM
Holy crap!!!! WOW

MiKa1386 04-25-2009 01:02 PM
All im going to say is he better be worth the money when it comes time to play...

lostcause 04-25-2009 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5705522)
lol When you are paying someone 36 million dollars whos been a back up his whole life (in collage and in the pro's) got his big break by someone getting hurt its pretty gutsy. This could make or break him.

Or its just out of my ass.
Fair... But the contract that the Lions signed Stafford to is a lot more gutsy. I guess the difference is they didn't have a choice.

Pioli Zombie 04-25-2009 01:04 PM
Today is going great already. Mecca, Hamas, Milkman etc will be like the old guys in Trading Places when they lost everything by the time this day is over.
Turn those machines back on!!!
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kcxiv 04-25-2009 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lostcause (Post 5705575)
Fair... But the contract that the Lions signed Stafford to is a lot more gutsy. I guess the difference is they didn't have a choice.
Yep, thats why no one wants that number 1 and that owners want a cap to that shit.

Mecca 04-25-2009 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5705576)
Today is going great already. Mecca, Hamas, Milkman etc will be like the old guys in Trading Places when they lost everything by the time this day is over.
Turn those machines back on!!!
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Excuse me?

dirk digler 04-25-2009 01:06 PM
**** me. I guess that ends all the QB speculation.

Pioli Zombie 04-25-2009 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705584)
Excuse me?
Meltdown
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chiefs1111 04-25-2009 01:06 PM
im speechless ,36 million Guaranteed? damn.

Sure-Oz 04-25-2009 01:06 PM
So it's really 36 mill guaranteed damn he's rich

keg in kc 04-25-2009 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5705587)
**** me.
I appreciate the offer, but you don't shave your legs. So, sorry.

Mecca 04-25-2009 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5705588)
Meltdown
Posted via Mobile Device
Yes questioning a contract like that makes you a bad fan, just throw it out there.

This forum is quickly turning into a shithole where people run around going "Pioli!" and if you question anything going into tirades that don't make much sense.

Red Dawg 04-25-2009 01:07 PM
Say good bye to competing for QB job Tyler. It's Matt's job for sure at this point.

CupidStunt 04-25-2009 01:08 PM
Peter King saying NO deal.

keg in kc 04-25-2009 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 5705603)
Peter King saying NO deal.
ROFL

I love this day already.

Nightfyre 04-25-2009 01:08 PM
It would be interesting if someone was ****ing with our draft day by leaking this shit all over.

Thig Lyfe 04-25-2009 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 5705603)
Peter King saying NO deal.
For reals? :eek:

Mecca 04-25-2009 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5705606)
ROFL

I love this day already.
Ok that would be hilarious.

max sleeper 04-25-2009 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5705263)
Well, if its just 36 mil with small guarantees, that would be a tradable contract.
That's my thought also. Denver or SF? Go Chiefs!

MoreLemonPledge 04-25-2009 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 5705601)
Say good bye to competing for QB job Tyler. It's Matt's job for sure at this point.
Well, just because we paid a guy doesn't mean he's the starter. Granted, he's making 25 times what Thigpen's making, but it's an open competition. mumble mumble mumble I just woke up /Haley

keg in kc 04-25-2009 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705611)
Ok that would be hilarious.
It's all an elaborate hoax, Cassel is a donkey in an hour and we're all left wondering wtf is going on.

Mecca 04-25-2009 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5705615)
It's all an elaborate hoax, Cassel is a donkey in an hour and we're all left wondering wtf is going on.
I would lose it laughing.

irishjayhawk 04-25-2009 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5705615)
It's all an elaborate hoax, Cassel is a donkey in an hour and we're all left wondering wtf is going on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5705619)
I would lose it laughing.
+1

MoreLemonPledge 04-25-2009 01:12 PM
Still in denial? CASSEL IS THE QUARTERBACK.

doomy3 04-25-2009 01:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 5705603)
Peter King saying NO deal.
Are you serious?

the Talking Can 04-25-2009 01:14 PM
peter king tweet:
Quote:
Posting on si.com that two sources tell me there is no new deal between the Chiefs and Matt Cassel.

doomy3 04-25-2009 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5705633)
peter king tweet:
ROFL

wild1 04-25-2009 01:15 PM
I'd like us to lock him up for more years.

But there's no reason to do this before the draft. Perhaps just a small hit, but it would hurt our trade position.


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