Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5723457)

This is pretty much exactly what happened.

IIRC, DCS and I were the first people to regularly discuss Sanchez. But as pointed out in the above quote, no one, and I mean NO ONE thought he'd declare. Pete Carrol has a knack for getting his QB's to stick around for their senior season.

All that said, does it really ****ing matter anymore?

We got Cassel, they got Sanchez. We'll see in a few years if they both pan out, both fail, or if one team made a better decision than the other.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4996952)

If guys like Bradford and Sanchez come out you're going to see 3 QB's with possible top 5 pick status associated with them...and I'm sure some here will say none of them are worth it.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 4996955)

sanchez a top 5 guy right NOW? he's thrown for just about 1100 yards in 2 years and 1 game. bradford maybe stafford maybe

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4996974)

Sanchez has this entire season....that's 1 thing, the other thing Sanchez has is the pure physical talent, he is the most naturally gifted player to play QB at SC since Palmer. He has good mobility, a ridiculous arm, good size, good leadership, he's a scouts dream. He could declare tomorrow and go in the 1st round with a good/great season maybe national championship winning you're looking at top 5 status.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4997002)

You do realize under that stand, Matt Stafford hasn't done much of anything either...you have to project things to think about the draft, I don't think Sanchez is coming out anyway but it's up for debate.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 4997015)

well lets see stafford=4760 career yards
sanchez=1100 career yards.
YOURE RIGHT ONCE AGAIN MECCA

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5723661)

HERE are some of mecca's quotes from 9-8-08. he was right too. i wasnt saying that sanchez would suck just that it needed to be found out on the field. mecca was right,he's(sanchez:D) good, and sorry i was wrong it was after the first game of the season, still pretty good memory.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5723626)

OTW mecca and i had words over sanchez BEFORE the season last year. he said that sanchez was a better prospect than stafford. i argued that it wasnt known what sanchez was. he had thrown for less than 1200(IIRC) yards in his career to that point.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5723674)

Notice I said REGULARLY talked about Sanchez.
It's not like you two carried that conversation throughout the season - at least I don't recall you doing so.

DCS and I were the first to talk about Sanchez being a legit prospect in this year's draft.

Like I said before, it really doesn't matter at this point.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5723670)

But Mecca doesn't know shit?!?

I read this on CP, so it must be true.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5723697)

the thing is: mecca IS on top of things. but why be so condescending? and negative. some days it's really funny lately. during the draft it wasnt now is a timne to at least try to be optimistic about whats going on.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5723710)

He doesn't need to be positive.

This organization has been a ****ing joke since '98. If some people can't deal with reality, tough shit.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5723710)

He doesn't need to be positive.

This organization has been a ****ing joke since '98. If some people can't deal with reality, tough shit.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5723718)

ROFL ok, how can someone actually ENJOY being a fan while being so negative? thats what its about for me, enjoyment

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5723727)

Same way that I've been a Royals fan my entire life.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5723718)

ROFL ok, how can someone actually ENJOY being a fan while being so negative? thats what its about for me, enjoyment

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5723491)

You're a liar. I probably haven't said 20 words to you, including this post. I tend to ignore dipshits.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5723743)

To each their own.

Personally, when they do something positive, I'll say something positive. When they do something negative, I'll say something negative.

The negatives have far outweighed the positives over the past 10+ years.

I'd rather people be realistic in how they view the team than always play the "hope" card - and hang their hat on it.

I "hope" the team does well - I really do. But I'm not blind to the fact that this team has gone 15-33 over the past 3 years and has very little talent.

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5723522)

Hey Raised on Anger, good call backing Thigpen. So it shouldn't surprise you've got Sanchez in Canton already
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5723559)

Yahweh Curry shalt strike thee down for even mentioning this false idol...

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5723674)

Notice I said REGULARLY talked about Sanchez.

It's not like you two carried that conversation throughout the season - at least I don't recall you doing so.

DCS and I were the first to talk about Sanchez being a legit prospect in this year's draft.

Like I said before, it really doesn't matter at this point.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5723686)

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5723710)

He doesn't need to be positive.

This organization has been a ****ing joke since '98. If some people can't deal with reality, tough shit.

Right now, they need to prove it. A new GM is great start, but it's just that, a start.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5723802)

Oooh! And there it was!:eek:

:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5723809)

i was talking about mecca not you.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5723848)

Very well then.

Unless "Pioli's Shoeshiner" wants to continue his Ass Hattery, I'm tired of talking about this shit; "The Deal Is Done". So how's about we just stop and call it a day, okay?

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5721634)

How about this. He has only played 2 or 3 ranked team, all the others were mediocre at best with terrible corners. There's no way he should have failed. He he put up comparable numbers to booty. The pac10 is a terrible so its not like he was playing real talent. His own coach even said he's not ready. How the hell are you going to argue with him. People are saying that carrol only said that just so he could have sanchez back another year, but seriously usc has been cranking out qbs like no other. It will only be a year until people are on mustains ball sack. Damn near every qb to go through usc will seem successful.
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5721641)

What about how sanchez couldn't beat out booty his sophomore year? He didn't have the drive either?
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5723766)

Oh Brocky-Poo, how could I ever forget your non-stop, incessant Stafford-love upon first entering Chiefs Planet? How could I forget seeing your avatar of "Beaker from the Muppet Show-Meets Harvey Keitel 50+times on my first day of posting?

And now, you don't write or send flowers anymore...

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5721681)

It's a tough situation for Sanchez, and ideally he should sit. But, to be honest, Favre cost them a bunch of games last year. They might have been much better off with a game manager. Ryan has said from day 1 they will be a run first team. That should take some of the pressure off of Sanchez.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5724857)

Shouldn't be a problem for you to find all of these posts you claim I've made.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5724839)

i would MUCH rather be a "shoeshiner" for someone that deserves it than a ballwasher for a bunch of internet gurus:D

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5725029)

But that's the thing; we haven't played any games under Pioli/Haley just yet.

You gotta' win and earn. When you've proven your methods and choices consistently through victory, THEN you've earned "deserves it" status.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5725350)

i would think that the rings are proof enough, AND the fact that BB said he(pioli) was VERY involved in them

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5725420)

Wow, Sanchez sure brought out the inner hissy fit of you homose....guys. Is he really that hot? I can't tell.

Hopefully no eyes were scratched out and no slaps landed too squarely in this one.

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 5725428)

uh oh....otter is about to get a death threat.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5725457)

I hope Aaron Curry is the next coming......

Of Brain Bosworth.

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5725456)

Take a number and get in line

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5724858)

They have Thomas Jones and drafted Shonne Greene, and along with a pretty solid O-Line, they should be able to run the ball and protect Sanchez in much the same way the Ravens protected Flacco last year.

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 5725475)

Speak for yourself, I came and camped for 3 days so I could be in the front row.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5725494)

The Ravens defense is also very, very good. If the Jets don't improve there as well, it could force them to throw in situations where the Ravens didn't have to.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5725552)

If the new staff can get Gholston to play near the level of his draft stutus, with the addition of Bart Scott and the shift in philosophy to a more attacking style (which plays to Gholston's strength), I think that defense has the chance to be much improved.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5725687)

Sure. But that's alot of variables that Sanchez' success depends on.

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 5726310)

Sanchez doesn't HAVE to be awesome. He's got a solid Oline, 3 good running backs, solid Wrs, a TE and a descent defense. He needs to play like Joe Flacco to give them a chance.

He's in a much better position to be successful than Stafford.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5725748)

Sure, but even if all the variables don't come together, the Jets defense wasn't all that bad last year, and Farve put them in difficult situations with his poor decisions.

Sanchez simply has manage the games and avoid those mistakes while he's learning.

I'd be willing to bet that he throws fewer interceptions than Favre by at least seven.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5726359)

Different expectations. If Stafford can win 6 games his first year that is a huge improvement. The New York market expects the playoffs.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5726629)

They probably expect playoff WINS with this team.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5726650)

Are they really that stupid and impatient? Who gives a **** what they expect; let the coaches do the job right.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5726650)

Are they really that stupid and impatient? Who gives a **** what they expect; let the coaches do the job right.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5726678)

It's New York and they're Jets fans.

So yes.

And no.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 5726687)

Have you watched the draft? Jets fans aren't smart enough to know what to expect.

They have to live with the other team in NY, the Giants, so the push to excel is even greater.

I hope they compare him to Eli, starting in training camp. I hope he puts up Steve Fuller numbers.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5726704)

Meh.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5726815)

What's the big deal about being compared to Eli? Like that's some kind of benchmark.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5726704)

Meh.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5726839)

I hope Sanchez can brush it off as easily as you can. Because they WILL be brutal.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 5726821)

I hope Brodie Croyle, after being cut by the Chiefs, is picked up by the Jets for the 2010 training camp and wins the QB job outright from Sanchez.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5726927)

As in picking up the pieces?

Dude is cool, but has a body that's less equiped than my own to handle the NFL, literally. And make no mistake, I have no business being near most of those monsters.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5726927)

As in picking up the pieces?

Dude is cool, but has a body that's less equiped than my own to handle the NFL, literally. And make no mistake, I have no business being near most of those monsters.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 5727126)

I've always liked Croyle even though I thought him being a starting QB in the NFL was a long shot. That's why him taking over Sanchez's spot would be even better.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 5726781)

There's a big time Jets/Giants fan rivalry in NY. Eli worked through it, mostly I think because the organization behind him is solid.

NY fans will compare him to Eli, you can bet your life on it. I hope he cracks like an egg thrown against a brick wall.

I wish the Jets would rehire Herm in some capacity to seal the deal.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5727601)

There is no hope for your hope. None. Brokie isn't fit to wash Sanchez's car while watching Kelli service his burrito.

If and when Jets fans become unruly, he will quiet them with a point of his finger, and they shall shit their collective pants under under the weight of his stare. NY is Mark's world; they just live in it.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5725748)

Sure, but even if all the variables don't come together, the Jets defense wasn't all that bad last year, and Farve put them in difficult situations with his poor decisions.

Sanchez simply has manage the games and avoid those mistakes while he's learning.

I'd be willing to bet that he throws fewer interceptions than Favre by at least seven.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5727748)

You could say the same thing for Thiggy. Favre threw waaaaaaay too many INTs.

I think they will be upgraded as long as Sanchez makes decent, safe throws and doesn't shit his pants.

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5720624)

I'm not sure New York City is prepared to handle a star of the magnitude of Mark Sanchez. Sure they've hosted Presidents, Popes, Elvis, the Beatles but nothing will compare to this kind of greatness.
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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 5727917)

http://nygiantspics.com/albums/Celeb...gri-Somnia.jpg

... and to all a good night ;)

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5727953)

And he shall ride into the city utop a donkey and they shall wave palms at him

Then 6 games later the same people who called him savior will call for him to be crucified.
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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 5721622)

Yeah that spin isn't going to work. Leinart was given the prime opportunity to start yet he sucked even though he had 2 all world wide receivers. Kurt was on the backside of his career. He had bounced around the league like a 2nd tier backup. There is no way he should have won the competiton agaisnt leinart if leinart was halfway decent.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5728684)

Well, it's a good thing to know that you NEVER know what the hell you're talking about.

First off, Leinart was drafted to run Dennis Green's West Coast Offense. Green was fired after Leinart's first season and Whisenhunt runs a vertical offense, similar to the Coryell offense (which Vermiel, Martz, Saunders, Zampese, et al run). Leinart's not a vertical passer, he's a dink and dunk WCO guy. Competely different skillset.

Oh, and one more thing: Warner is clearly NOT on his last legs and he was already on the roster when Leinart was drafted.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 5726781)

There's a big time Jets/Giants fan rivalry in NY. Eli worked through it, mostly I think because the organization behind him is solid.

NY fans will compare him to Eli, you can bet your life on it. I hope he cracks like an egg thrown against a brick wall.

I wish the Jets would rehire Herm in some capacity to seal the deal.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5729329)

You underestimate Sanchez.

He is mature enough to handle the pressure and expectations.

Quite frankly, this thread just shows what a petty prick you are.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5728684)

Well, it's a good thing to know that you NEVER know what the hell you're talking about.

First off, Leinart was drafted to run Dennis Green's West Coast Offense. Green was fired after Leinart's first season and Whisenhunt runs a vertical offense, similar to the Coryell offense (which Vermiel, Martz, Saunders, Zampese, et al run). Leinart's not a vertical passer, he's a dink and dunk WCO guy. Competely different skillset.

Oh, and one more thing: Warner is clearly NOT on his last legs and he was already on the roster when Leinart was drafted.