And this is exactly the reason why some folks have left recently.

There are several n00bs that have entered discussion intent on name-calling and busting balls. Guys with less than 500 posts just ripping away at people. Personally, I'll rip right back (as would Hamas) but Mecca, CC and some of the other guys just aren't cut out for it and decided to bail.

It's a shame, really.

Ugh. That game was infuriating. I had just finished up a matinee performance of The Diviners at NWMSU that day, and I snuck out of set take-down to go eat with my family. That game was on the TV and it was just brutal to watch.

By all means, yes. I didn't ask anybody to stop posting. In fact, a couple of the worst "offenders" are guys I wish would come back.

The fact that the two are going to be continually compared is ridiculous. What happens if we don't trade for Cassel and STILL pass on Sanchez? Sanchez isn't a Chief, wasn't a Chief, and probably won't ever be a Chief. Cassel should be judged on his own merits - what Sanchez does from here on out is irrelevant.

Again, I'm not suggesting anybody should not post. It's all part of the discussion. If we all agreed on everything, this place would be pretty boring.

It wasn't the name-calling that caused people those guys to leave. It was the constant assault of telling them that they weren't allowed to criticize Pioli at all. A lot of posters, many of them these n00bs/dupes with less than 500 posts, wanted a more positive environment (which is fair, I suppose). But to achieve it, they chose to make anything that seemed "negative" at all an unforgivable sin.

Then Thigpen will always be compared to Sanchez & Cassel.

Pioli had to address the QB situation. He had a number of options to pick from. He chose to acquire Cassel. The other options, especially in the short term, are always going to followed for the "what if?" factor. It may not be fair, but its simply a fact that the comparison is going to be made.

I don't think I've ever seen one person call CC a name.

I'm just gonna say this and then leave this bomb of a topic alone, because I came back in the middle of it and didn't see completely the genesis of the issue, but I saw alot of attacks on said "n00bs" that didn't seem to be provoked.

Thigpen was already on the roster, so until Pioli actually did something, neither Cassel nor Sanchez were "options" except in the minds of the fans and some of the media.

If Pioli had no intention of drafting Sanchez, he wasn't ever an option.

CC wasn't cut out for all of the name-calling and vitriol surrounding the Sanchez/Stafford/Cassel debate.

Here's the thing about Big Ben...

Franchise QB, definitely. But he IS a game manager. There's no way you can get away with throwing for barely 3,000 yards with limited rushing yards playing for, let's say, the Cardinals. Take away a dominant defense, and Ben is probably a 9-7 QB who can win IF your defense can put you in a great position to win a the end of the game--in those situations, he's the second QB in the NFL I'd want (behind Brady).

From the perspective, I think he's slightly overrated. Let's make a comparison. Brady arguably complemented an outstanding defense in the 90's. Like Ben, he was a franchise QB that was a game manager that can win games in the clutch. The difference is, as the Pats' defense declined, Brady was asked to take the team over, and he did just that--he moved from game manager to a guy who took over games; from 3,000 yards passing to about 4,000 yards passing easily. Ben hasn't made that transition. I know it's not just about #'s, but can you seriously tell me that 17 TDs and 15 INTs would win a Super Bowl with Indy's defense or especially Detroit or KC's or New Orleans'?

It's not to say that he can't do it. But I've seen limited evidence to suggest that he can take over games consistently when his defense isn't outstanding. Maybe he makes a Brady-like transformation, but I still believe that QBs who consistently make the playoffs on 3,000 yard seasons are the definition of game managers.

It's the ebb and flow of Chiefsplanet. We've certainly had people leave over the years due to the opposite - people choosing to make anything "positive" an unforgivable sin.

You don't think Sanchez was an option, ever? Pioli ruled out Sanchez as a draft pick before ever evaluating him? He HAD to have been an option at somepoint. If there is anything that I've consistently read about Pioli is that he is thorough.

Without knowing what Pioli thought/thinks about Sanchez, the only connection is in our minds. There's no factual evidence suggesting Sanchez was ever an option. Which is why stewing about passing on him seems so absurd. For all we know, Pioli said the same thing some of the Sanchez-haters have said - less than 25 starts.

That's just your opinion. I think it's a lot closer than you would believe.

Jackson carries much higher positional value than Unger. And Sanchez is not a lock to succeed, while Cassel is not a lock to bust.

But essentially, that's the draft duo we're talking about here. Frankly, I still don't understand why people are so tough on Cassel. Yes, he has Moss and Welker, but I don't remember people saying that Palmer was effective because he had Chad Johnson/Housh, or Big Ben only won his first Super Bowl because he had Hines Ward/Burress. And if you watch tape of games, you will see that NE's line is not nearly as good as advertised--they are only as good as they are because Brady is really that good.

I can understand that Cassel makes you nervous. I'm uncertain about him too. But you have to admit that the critics are harsher than they should be. I know you've said he's going to be a game manager, but what leads you to believe that? What does he have that Sanchez doesn't? He's got a hell of a work ethic, above average arm strength, accuracy, and mobility, flawless mechanics, and great leadership. Yes, Sanchez has slightly better upside, but he also has a lot more downside risk. I can understand that there's doubt about Cassel, but I think people make arguments for him that they would never make for first round picks. Just my opinion.

I honestly think it stems from the fact that most of the people you're talking about didn't want Cassel and did want Sanchez.

Like I said before, I think it's going to be very, very hard for Cassel to ever be much in some people's minds because they've set the bar high enough the won't ever be wrong.

Probably because there is going to be little tolerance for mistakes. He's 27 years old, he's not a big-time prospect fresh out of college.

I hope that Cassel succeeds. Absolutely.

But if the decision were up to ME (and it's clearly not), I would have chosen Sanchez/Unger over Jackson/Cassel.

I've posted "my" mock draft in the draft forum. It would have address every need on the offensive line, TE, WR, K and most importantly, QB. We would have had an offense that would grow together for the next 5 years and beyond (with Bowe, Charles, Albert & Cottam).

That's not how it worked out. I'm not "bitching" about it. I'm voicing my opinion.

After all, that's what this forum is for; voicing our opinions.

Unless somehow I missed the memo after Pioli was hired and we're all now supposed to fall in line like a bunch of lemmings.

And even then, I'd voice my opinion

I trust you see the irony of your post.

i've thought about this quite a bit and maybe pioli saw enough of sanchez BEFORE taking our job that he already knew what he thought, so as GM of the chiefs sanchez never was an option. like i have said MANY times pioli either knew he was getting cassel or had a VERY good idea he was. look back at the opening presser, when asked about the QB situation he smiles and says he has something in mind. In my opinion he knew that was cassel

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I'd take Hamas, CC and Mecca over you and all the other n00bs any day of the week.

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people, then, because this Chiefs team isn't very talented right now, no matter who you put at QB. 5 wins won't be a miracle or anything, but it could still be a successful season for this team. With the Chiefs facing the schedule they have, it could be a very bad season in terms of wins and losses, even if the team is much improved.

It's not an exact barometer, obviously, but Vegas has the over/under for the Chiefs at 5.5 wins right now, and even the Lions are at 5.

That has nothing at all to do with my point. The point was that you do precisely what you are complaining the "n00bs" have been doing.

5 wins WILL be a miracle. Are you kidding me?

Shit right tackle. Old guards. Shit center. ONE WR (with the dropsies). OLD RB. NO pass rush. OLD linebackers. Suspect secondary.

NEW coaching staff. FIRST TIME head coach.

If you think that 5 wins is a given, you're smokin' too much crack.

Yeah, because I'M the n00b that's been insulting all of those people (including me and OTWP58).

Yeah, right.

Try again, n00b.

Valid arguments could, and were, made for trading for Cassel and for drafting Sanchez. Neither side of either decision knows for certain that their opinion is the correct one.

It's these kinds of comments that lead to it. Agreeing with what the team is doing - or in my case, accepting it as reality and moving on - does not make one a lemming.

I'm no n00b, but this is hysterical. I don't believe you actually believe this, but if you do I must wonder if you are reading the same board I am.

This entire offseason was spent by the majority of the posters who had been around for awhile calling everyone names for ANY draft take that didn't involve drafting a QB at #3. Most of the time, there wasn't reasonable discussion in threads, not because of the n00bs, but because every thread turned into the same "hilarious" posts about true fans, calling players/Pioli Jesus, calling everyone reeruned, telling people to die, etc. This was EVERY thread. If anything, the only n00b that has had a negative impact on the board is DCS/RoR because he does all this shit to the extreme to try to gain approval from you guys.

But to see you try to pretend to be some sort of victim is mind-boggling.

That's you're choice.

But let's not deny the fact that many people (including myself) were singled out for not "accepting it" and having a differing opinion.

Some people were more vocal about it than others and were vilafied for it.

Calling people "n00b" as an insult sets up confrontation from the very beginning. Also, my insults have generally been confined to a small group of people who've insulted me first. You just happen to be one of them because you seem to think you should be allowed to insult others without them firing back.

Agreed. But the irony is that if we assume hypothetically that Brees never got injured in San Diego and that the Chargers ended up shopping Rivers, you would NEVER hear nearly as much disappointedness from a team that landed Rivers, even though Cassel's had a full season under his belt while Rivers at that point had only 1 mediocre game under his belt. You're absolutely right on that and it's something I'll never really understand. I just hope that people are willing to at least give Cassel more than a half-season to start making judgment calls about him.

Apparently not.

Victim? I couldn't give a flying **** what you or those people or anyone else thinks of me or my opinion.

But to deny that I wasn't singled out means you are either ill-informed or you're trying to spin the truth.

How many times do I/did I have to read "Mecca/Hamas/Dane/OTWP" as a group?

I'll tell ya: Far too many times to count.

If you're insulted by the phrase "n00b", then you're in for a long, tough ride here at the 'Planet.

I don't know. I rarely see you mentioned in the same breath as any of those guys except for Hamas because you two are just adsjoles to everyone. OTWP, I would never compare you two. He knows a lot about football.

And people call me a dick.

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Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

The idea that this is unique and directed only at those that question the team is, frankly, HYSTERICAL.

The "negative" crowd has been the MAJORITY here for the 8 of the last 9 years, and now that the tide is changing a bit, people want to take their ball and go home?

Seriously, that's just asinine.

I'm referring to what's happened over the course of the past few months since Pioli's been hired.

Not the entire history of Chiefsplanet.

And while I agree it's been controlled by the "negative crowd", I think that has more to do with folks being tired of Carl Peterson's never-ending regime than with the actual players and coaches.

So have I. Most of the time, if you made any comment that wasn't blistering Carl (and I made plenty of those, too...), said any move was in any way positive based on what I thought of the move itself, it was go straight to "king carl lover" or "true fan" (okay, i don't think I've ever been called a true fan, so I exaggerate) do not pass go, do not collect 200 bucks.

Then, ironically, in the last year or two, the latter half of the Hermpocalypse, if I said anything negative I was labeled a Carl basher.

I'm so confused.

People love their sweeping generalizations, I guess.

You do like to just ignore the points being made by other people, don't you? You're bitching about the "n00bs" and their insults when the very name you're calling them is used as an insult. It's not about how I personally feel, it's about your hypocrisy.

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Feel that tickle in your vag?

JFC.

The term "n00b" has been used since the beginning of this forum. It's used ALL OVER the internet. You are NEW aren't you? You don't have 1,000 posts, do you?

The fact that you'd be offended is actually hilarious.

I don't know how I put up with all you dumbasses for almost 10 years.

Because you're just one of the flock, baaaatter.

It's not about how I personally feel, as I noted. The term doesn't offend me. I find it pathetic, and I feel that it says a lot more about the lack of any valid reply by the poster who uses it than it does about anything else. However, you are the one complaining about the "n00b" crowd driving off established posters while overlooking how those "n00b" posters have been getting treated here. It starts with the very use of the term and just continues from there.

I'm trying to, but every time I think I'm out, they_________________!
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Who keeps bringing up Sanchez? Not me! If we have a flop season, is it the fault of Mark Sanchez? I guarantee you some dipshit will magically tie the two together!
I'll enjoy watching all three QB's play football until it's time for the Chiefs to play against them.
Is there a problem with that?

SAUTO is correct. See below:

FYP.

No Pioli in KC w/o a healthy Brady in NE, and Cassel available.
Fact, done deal, get over it.

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Where DID YOU get your Magic 8-Ball?! I want one!!!


Can you cry some more? I really like it when you cry like a little girl; it's awesome!

THIS IS A FOOTBALL FORUM.

If you want "civilized" on the scale of which seems to be your ideal, I'm sure PBS has a website and board dedicated to "Masterpiece Theater".

Register today!:rolleyes:

You gotta keep up:

I don't give a damn if you and the 12 Apostles call me a douchebag every hour on the hour!

Some people have skin and can play, others don't.

How is that something opposed to any point I've made? Dane is bemoaning the loss of his beloved Hamas, among others. He's pinning it largely on the "n00bs" and their attacks. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of Dane. As I'm sure you noticed in my dealings with both Hamas and Dane, I don't wilt when people call me names.

He missed the true point. The true point is that "idiot" should replace the word "n00b" in this case. You can be a n00b and not be an idiot, but they've been few and far in between.

And like I said before, there wasn't enough plant life( non-idiots )on the Planet to sustain the needs of Mecca and Hamas, so they split.

In the time I've been here, the "idiots" have been far more insightful and knowledgeable than Hamas seemed to be. I've seen posts where people praised his knowledge, but he surely kept his knowledge well hidden this offseason, at least on this main board.

For the record, given that the team finally canned the leadership that almost everyone here hated, brought in a man considered among the very best to be GM, and brought in a new starting QB, it's absurd for people like Mecca, Hamas and company to be complaining when people want to give that group the benefit of the doubt and really don't want every thread to turn into a buzzkill. They are defying human nature, and they should know better. Hamas with his "strike #", and Mecca seemingly doing his best Eeyore impression about almost everything the team was doing, placed themselves in a position where it was a virtual guarantee that they'd be opposed when they posted. "True Fan", "Jesus" and the rest of the derogatories of that sort were certainly not brought up by others and aimed at them: it was the other way around.

Wow, talk about missing the point.

You just go ahead and continue to give the Chiefs "the benefit of the doubt".

I, on the other hand, will not.

I didn't miss the point at all. On the other hand, you've ignored it multiple times on this thread. I really don't care whether you give the team the benefit of the doubt or not. However, if you bitch about every move the team makes, and you do it in such a way that you belittle those that don't agree with you, you should expect people to bitch at you and return the favor. It's really that simple.

Where exactly was I crying? I think your reading comprehension needs a tune up, as well as your overall persona.

You're beginning to really annoy me.

Where have I "bitched" in this thread, ****head?

If you perceive the opposite of cheerleading to be "bitching", you just need to shut the **** up right now.

And, once again, you miss the point.

Between your "not bitching" opinions about EVERYTHING, Hamas striking Pioli out constantly, and Mecca, with his irrefutable draft board, it's little wonder that all you're left to relate to on this board is that ****ing idiot DCS. You are solidly a moron of the highest order, and most people on here laugh at your attempts to be condecending to folks you're not remotely as intelligent as.

It's a shame daddies money kept you from getting the proper beatdown you richly needed, and I'm sure, deserved as a young man. Maybe that way you would have grown to be a real man, instead of the sniveling little pussy you are today. What a joke.

Nice attempt at sounding tough. Take off the clownshoes.

Hmmm. I think you'd find that most people here would disagree with your assessment but I'd kindly advise you to **** yourself.

Enjoy!

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My parents are wealthy now? ROFL

I'm a pussy and need a beatdown? Is this a threat?

And the only joke around here, Buster, is you.

**** off.

Frankly, I'm shocked that YOU would come running to the rescue of a putz like Dane. Shocked I tell you.

If you have the balls to do so, start a poll asking if people on this board think you're a pathetic joke. I'll wait.

He doesn't give a **** what anyone thinks about him. He says it in every thread so everyone knows.

I'm not so much defending Dane as I am just disliking a post of yours. That happens a lot, btw. You're a Godawful poster.

Oh the hypocrisy. if you're going to constantly throw stones(often for no reason(Dane)), don't get mad when people throw them back. if you call me an idiot, be able to prove i'm an idiot.

you alternate between complaining about 'n00bs' starting fights, and then admit you start so many fights for so little reason, it must be an act, an online persona so outside the realm of realistic possibility we should know by default you're joking. which is it?

you claim hostility is running off quality members, how much of this hostility is generated by yourself?

Internet tough guys are cool.

Why do you even bother? I guess you must be bored with your life.

Go ahead point out where I've "constantly" thrown "stones" without any reason.

I'll be waiting.

Nice work on Everette Brown, BTW. He was certainly worth the third pick in the draft.

I was just helping your out so you didn't have to explain it for the 10000000000th time.

You're welcome.

You're constantly defending the honor of Mecca, Dane, Hamas, OTWP and the like. That really makes you a wonderful poster, and an asset to the board. Sorry you never took up thinking for yourself. If you did, you may find that people are willing to listen to what you have to say. But if hanging with the "cool kids" is your thing, go with it. Just don't deny being an apologist for the assholes on this board. That just makes you look stupid.

Says the biggest asshole.

Well, at least you're familiar with assholes.

Yeah.

Like we need to do this for the third time?

Go search the archives for your answer, Son.

You were the one denying the fact. I already knew the answer.

Which is?

You're coming on here with less than 1,000 posts and less than ten posts that don't make you look like a drooling simian and trying to lecture me about contributing to the board? Get the **** out of here.

The worst part is that you think you're clever.

You're an asshole. Water is wet.

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You obviously missed the point, Tough Guy.

I'm glad you had a poor upbringing and your daddy kicked the shit out of you everyday because you're SUCH a man now.

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Oh yes, lets get to post counts, since that means anything other than I have a life, and you waste company time and money. What do we do next, compare cock size? OK, if you wanna, but why make yourself look worse than you already do?

Thank you.

It seems I only need to do this in regards to the n00bs.

For some reason, I rub them the wrong way.

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(And maybe a few others).

LMAO

Wow, you ARE a tough guy!

I'm impressed!

And belittling someone for having thousands of posts on a message board.

That's a good one! I'll have to remember that!

Look, you'll win if we compare cock sizes. I must say, for an orangutan you have remarkably good English.

You'd know if the time came. I'm quite certain as to what you are. The difference between you and me is anything I say on here I can say to anyones face. You, not so much. And with that, I'm out on friday night!

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Then clearly, you don't know a ****ing thing about me, Hillbilly.