Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5808899)

You said professionals. You didn't say anything about performance. And Pioli is a rookie. I'll give him a chance but don't fault me for questioning his moves.

And will you question Pioli if the Chiefs suck next season??? He's Pioli. You can't question Pioli.

I doubt it. You have his picture next to your speedometer in your car. Just Passin' By + Pioli = man crush

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5808867)

Tinoisamoa > Zach

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5808969)

1.) Pioli is not a rookie

2.) Questioning professionals and thinking you can do their job better than they do are not necessarily the same thing. In your case, however, you clearly seem to think you could do a better job than a man who's won "executive of the year" on multiple occasions even when he's still in his first months of his first offseason with the new team.


5.) You claiming that you'll give Pioli a chance would have more weight to it if you hadn't already proven that you won't actually do that.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5809002)

I could care less if it were Bill Parcells or Bill B. I'll question whoever on a message board. That's what they are for. I enjoy arguing with guys like you that are as hard headed as me.

Although, I will say it is rare that I argue with someone that has such a personal crush and defends everything someone does when they are criticized.

But hey, if Pioli & Haley wins some games with these old farts and makes us even somewhat competitive, I'll be the first to say that I screwed that prediction up.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5808992)

Corky > kcbubb

http://www.feelthelovewith.us/images/user/corky.jpg

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5808899)

You said professionals. You didn't say anything about performance. And Pioli is a rookie. I'll give him a chance but don't fault me for questioning his moves.

And will you question Pioli if the Chiefs suck next season??? He's Pioli. You can't question Pioli.

I doubt it. You have his picture next to your speedometer in your car. Just Passin' By + Pioli = man crush

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5809192)

You shouldn't question Pioli.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5809099)

that's pretty funny...

Here's some interesting news. Pioli has a hot new prospect and I know Hunt is already going to say I told you so since he confirmed with us that Pioli is a shrewd evaluator of talent...

Here's the pick of the new prospect..

http://www.ecumen.org/changing-aging...all-player.jpg

SKIP TOWNE

Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd (Post 5809079)

We aren't gonna get diddly squat better this year unless there are some veterans on the sideline to keep Haley in check and bale him out when he screws up. He needed Warner and Boldin in Arizona to knock him around every game when he had his head up his ass. Heck, Whisenhunt only let him call plays for one year and Warner was free to ignore them, which he did very regularly. We don't have the offensive talent that the Cards have so I think Haley will be unmasked early on. Pioli is not the guy for this task because he didn't have to do the same with Belichick (who would have eaten him alive). What we have here are two supposed "wonder kids" whose reputation was made on the efforts of those around them. I hope I'm wrong but I think Haley was as poor a choice as Clancy Pendergast whose AZ defense gave up as many points as the team scored all year with three games where 50 points were given up. If this is an indication of Pioli's and Haley's prowess, then I'm not impressed at all.

Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 5809237)

Jeez, next you'll be saying Cassel is a mediocre QB. :eek:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5809240)

I find taking sports views from someone named "Chauncey" seriously a very hard thing to do.:p

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5808969)

1.) Pioli is not a rookie

2.) Questioning professionals and thinking you can do their job better than they do are not necessarily the same thing. In your case, however, you clearly seem to think you could do a better job than a man who's won "executive of the year" on multiple occasions even when he's still in his first months of his first offseason with the new team.

3.) I don't care if the Chiefs suck next season, and I wouldn't care even if I was a Chiefs fan. Evaluating this team based upon wins and losses, or your perception of 'suck' is exactly what you don't do with a team this bad. This team will need to be evaluated based upon progress towards EVENTUAL consistently competitive teams, or the lack thereof. Let me repeat something I mentioned earlier, in the hopes that it will penetrate that veil of willful ignorance you're currently walking around with:

Pioli walked into a situation with a team that had only one core talent under the age of 30, and that player has only had one season. This team had a 30+ tight end and a 30- left tackle, and that's it. No other player on this team had cemented himself as the kind of high end talent that you want on Super Bowl contenders, especially at the core positions (middle of the field on defense, QB, LT, RB, #1 WR on offense). Even if you were to stretch and toss Bowe in that group (and I could easily be convinced to add him to the mix if he would just show improvement on his drop issue), that's still only two on the entire team.

4.) I don't have a man crush on Pioli. I have an interest in following his progress or lack thereof, nothing more. Frankly, it's in the best interest of my team that Pioli, Mangini, McDaniels, Crennel, Dimitroff, et al. go down in flames.

5.) You claiming that you'll give Pioli a chance would have more weight to it if you hadn't already proven that you won't actually do that.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5809036)

Just for you, some questions:

1.) Why not more veteran running backs to compete?

Because Jackie Battle, Jamaal Charles, and Kolby Smith are a very capable. I for one am looking for Battle to step up this year and claim his spot behind Larry Johnson, while having an occasional Charles on third down.

2.) What's the backup plan if Thomas gets another concussion?

Thomas?


3.) Why is Cassel not signed to a long-term deal and, if the Chiefs plan to hold off, why not go public with an explanation?

Because it's May. That's why.

4.) Does he think Dorsey is a bust? If he does, why didn't he trade him prior to the draft, when he could have used the 4-3/3-4 thing as cover? If he doesn't, but he's not using Dorsey on the nose, why did he draft 2 defensive ends?

The answer is NO, and anyone WHO DOES think that Dorsey is a bust, is either jumping to conclusions, or JUST DOSENT UNDERSTAND the Defensive tackle position well enough. Dorsey will have a strong role in this hybrid defense this year, and I expect a strong sophmore year from him. His numbers last year were good. Write it down.


5.) Why not look to bring in a #2 receiver if he was going to get rid of Gonzalez? Is that going to wait until cuts, is he confident in what's already there, did he not like what was available... why?

Again, I refer to May. I still think a few players may still be available, or dealt prior to camp. If not, Having a Bowe, Bradley, Engram starting is fine with me.


See, these are questions that I'd ask if I could sit down with him over a beer. They are not, however, complaints, because it's far too early to be going down that path.

I don't defend everything. I say wait and see. There's a big difference. Frankly, there's always plenty to question, no matter who the person is. I question Belichick,and he's the best in the game. However, and again, there's a difference between having questions, and making asinine comments preferring Herm's approach over Pioli's when you haven't even seen this team on the field for the first time under Pioli yet.

Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd (Post 5809079)

We aren't gonna get diddly squat better this year unless there are some veterans on the sideline to keep Haley in check and bale him out when he screws up. He needed Warner and Boldin in Arizona to knock him around every game when he had his head up his ass. Heck, Whisenhunt only let him call plays for one year and Warner was free to ignore them, which he did very regularly. We don't have the offensive talent that the Cards have so I think Haley will be unmasked early on. Pioli is not the guy for this task because he didn't have to do the same with Belichick (who would have eaten him alive). What we have here are two supposed "wonder kids" whose reputation was made on the efforts of those around them. I hope I'm wrong but I think Haley was as poor a choice as Clancy Pendergast whose AZ defense gave up as many points as the team scored all year with three games where 50 points were given up. If this is an indication of Pioli's and Haley's prowess, then I'm not impressed at all.

Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 5809253)

ROFL He is 3rd generation Chauncey if that helps any. ;) I do agree with what he said though.

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID (Post 5809283)

The more I read about Haley, the more pressors that I watch, the more I get excited about this young football team. In reference to your comment about Clancy, and his defense, I had the Cards Defense as my starting defense on my fantasy team last season. I will say this much, They got hot, when it mattered. This is what got me to warm up to Clancy. Come time to compete, in the games THEY HAD to win, Arizona's defense did quite well in the end.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5809301)

and how he handled Waters who plays one of our weakest positions

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5809306)

You're really worried about how he treated an OG?

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5809310)

yes. The OG is huge in the run game and short yardage. Remember Will Shields???

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5809297)

I don't. That's about as worst-case scenario as you can possibly get, and not very grounded in reality.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5809301)

My opinion of Haley has been exactly the opposite. I was kinda optimistic at first.

Now after seeing the following...

Pioli tap at his watch telling Haley to speed it up at a presser

and how he handled Waters who plays one of our weakest positions

and how he didn't give an accurate answer of where his first round pick is going to play when he said he would play on the open side

and after signing a bunch of old players

I'm beginning to think that Haley is more of yes man to Pioli.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5809306)

You're really worried about how he treated an OG?

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5809301)

My opinion of Haley has been exactly the opposite. I was kinda optimistic at first.

Now after seeing the following...

Pioli tap at his watch telling Haley to speed it up at a presser
HOW do you know that the time wasnt just up?

and how he handled Waters who plays one of our weakest positions

maybe Waters should be more respectful himself

and how he didn't give an accurate answer of where his first round pick is going to play when he said he would play on the open side

maybe they hadnt decided that (he WAS an offensive coach by the way)

and after signing a bunch of old players
team needed veteran leadership

I'm beginning to think that Haley is more of yes man to Pioli.

most headcoaches are

Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 5809237)

Jeez, next you'll be saying Cassel is a mediocre QB. :eek:

Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd (Post 5809611)

Nope, Matt excelled when given his chance. Only time will tell with Pioli, Haley and Pendergast in a bottom-dwelling franchise. Pioli had much more support and a much better coach in NE. That's all.

Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd (Post 5809611)

Nope, Matt excelled when given his chance. Only time will tell with Pioli, Haley and Pendergast in a bottom-dwelling franchise. Pioli had much more support and a much better coach in NE. That's all.