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Buehler445 08-25-2009 05:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000799)
If the wheels are locked and the treadmill moves, the wheels most certainly do matter. Because the plane will move in the direction the treadmill is moving, regardless of any other motive force.
WTF would you try to take off the plane with the brakes on? If you did, you'd likely just cause damage to the plane.

Donger 08-25-2009 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6000837)
WTF would you try to take off the plane with the brakes on? If you did, you'd likely just cause damage to the plane.
LMAO

Brock 08-25-2009 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000805)
Look at it this way:

A plane is sitting on a treadmill

The wheels are free to spin.

The plane's propeller is not moving (so it has no forward thrust).

The treadmill begins to move in the direction opposite the plane's normal direction (forward).

In that scenario (and assuming a lack of friction), what would happen to the plane?
Nothing.

Buehler445 08-25-2009 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000805)
Look at it this way:

A plane is sitting on a treadmill

The wheels are free to spin.

The plane's propeller is not moving (so it has no forward thrust).

The treadmill begins to move in the direction opposite the plane's normal direction (forward).

In that scenario (and assuming a lack of friction), what would happen to the plane?
That's not the question. The question was would a plane take off on a treadmill, and the answer is yes.

Donger 08-25-2009 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6000845)
Nothing.
Correct. Now, same scenario, but the treadmill is moving in the other direction (forward).

What happens to the plane?

The Franchise 08-25-2009 05:54 PM
That's one huge ****ing treadmill.

Brock 08-25-2009 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000850)
Correct. Now, same scenario, but the treadmill is moving in the other direction (forward).

What happens to the plane?
If the wheels are freewheeling, nothing.

Donger 08-25-2009 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6000848)
That's not the question. The question was would a plane take off on a treadmill, and the answer is yes.
A plane on a treadmill will only achieve flight if there is sufficient airflow over the wings to generate the requisite amount of lift. That can only be achieved by the wings moving through the air, or a sufficient gust of wind blowing over the wings (not normal).

Sully 08-25-2009 05:58 PM
Baby lee
Hamas
Banyon
Bigredchief
Guardian

Donger 08-25-2009 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6000853)
If the wheels are freewheeling, nothing.
Correct. So, now let's add thrust from the propeller into the mix. In the case of the second scenario, the aircraft actually gets some benefit from the forward motion of the treadmill. However, it is not enough to have the plane magically launch of the treadmill without sufficient ground speed.

Agree?

Buehler445 08-25-2009 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000858)
A plane on a treadmill will only achieve flight if there is sufficient airflow over the wings to generate the requisite amount of lift. That can only be achieved by the wings moving through the air, or a sufficient gust of wind blowing over the wings (not normal).
Dude. The thrust from the engines will create said airflow. REGARDLESS of what the wheels are doing.

Buck 08-25-2009 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6000866)
Dude. The thrust from the engines will create said airflow. REGARDLESS of what the wheels are doing.
I believe the original question prefaced it was a propeller plane. No Jet Engines.

The point being that the propeller creates airflow, not the engine, sorry.

Dont know if this even has anything to do with anything though. This question makes my head hurt. I want to agree with you, but I also dont.

Its sort of like when you are looking at a drawing of a cube, and you cant tell which side is the top...it keeps switching.

Brock 08-25-2009 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000865)
Correct. So, now let's add thrust from the propeller into the mix. In the case of the second scenario, the aircraft actually gets some benefit from the forward motion of the treadmill. However, it is not enough to have the plane magically launch of the treadmill without sufficient ground speed.

Agree?
You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.

Buck 08-25-2009 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6000878)
You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.
But how can there be airflow over the wings, if the airplane is not moving compared to the ground?

luv 08-25-2009 06:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6000721)
I never do well in these popularity contests. :sulk:

And I failed physics. Badly. :sulk:
You were actually in my top five before I decided to go with people I've never met.

Donger 08-25-2009 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6000878)
You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.
I've already stated that. Re-read. Anyway, we are discussing a plane on the ground, so barring a really big gust of wind, the ground speed is rather relevant.

Brock 08-25-2009 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6000881)
But how can there be airflow over the wings, if the airplane is not moving compared to the ground?
It wouldn't. But theoretically if the air was moving across the control surfaces, as in a wind tunnel, flight would be achieved. The propeller alone would not supply enough air movement.

Brock 08-25-2009 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000889)
I've already stated that. Re-read.
It's not really interesting enough to do that.

Donger 08-25-2009 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6000891)
It wouldn't. But theoretically if the air was moving across the control surfaces, as in a wind tunnel, flight would be achieved. The propeller alone would not supply enough air movement.
It's the same reason aircraft carriers turn into the wind to launch aircraft. Less relative speed of the aircraft is required in order to achieve lift.

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 06:12 PM
I'd say if you're on my friends list you're pretty cool in my book, although i'd say most on here would be cool to have a brew with

seclark 08-25-2009 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6000897)
It's not really interesting enough to do that.
this is why i wanna have dinner with this guy!
sec

Gonzo 08-25-2009 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpy (Post 6000454)
For the last fuggin time Claythan... I DON'T date models!! :cuss:
Wait a ****ing minute...

Who are you dating then???

I hope it's not that sofa king guy. You could do better.


/dials lawyer/
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burt 08-25-2009 06:29 PM
Back to the subject:

Dane
Adept Havelock
patteuu
Nzoner
Donger.

Nzoner and would get drunk and the other 4 would cure cancer.

AndChiefs 08-25-2009 06:31 PM
I knew I should've posted more often in the last few years...maybe then someone would like me. :(

MikeMaslowski 08-25-2009 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luv (Post 6000505)
Of people I haven't met yet....

Mecca
KcMizzou
keg in kc
Lumpy
Dylan
Damn...I thought my hot pics would have put me over the edge.:shake:

MikeMaslowski 08-25-2009 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 6000987)
I knew I should've posted more often in the last few years...maybe then someone would like me. :(
Your mom likes you, and that post is borderline RoR....

AndChiefs 08-25-2009 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski (Post 6000993)
Your mom likes you, and that post is borderline RoR....
Ehh...just trying to avoid doing my homework in any way possible.

ChiTown 08-25-2009 06:43 PM
Off the top of my head, none of you.

Chi

MikeMaslowski 08-25-2009 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 6001000)
Off the top of my head, none of you.

Chi
Your hairstylist is a guy.

Buehler445 08-25-2009 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6000876)
I believe the original question prefaced it was a propeller plane. No Jet Engines.

The point being that the propeller creates airflow, not the engine, sorry.

Dont know if this even has anything to do with anything though. This question makes my head hurt. I want to agree with you, but I also dont.

Its sort of like when you are looking at a drawing of a cube, and you cant tell which side is the top...it keeps switching.
They both produce the same kind of thrust. Donger is wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6000889)
I've already stated that. Re-read. Anyway, we are discussing a plane on the ground, so barring a really big gust of wind, the ground speed is rather relevant.
I have a feeling you're arguing just to argue, as a result, I'm not going to argue anymore. You have never once stated how the treadmill will overcome the thrust of the engine. No matter what you say, the thrust will push the plane off of the treadmill and create groundspeed to create lift.

JOhn 08-25-2009 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski (Post 6000989)
Damn...I thought my hot pics would have put me over the edge.:shake:
But were you wearing a purple shirt?

ChiTown 08-25-2009 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski (Post 6001002)
Your hairstylist is a guy.
Well, then my male hair stylist has a huge rack and an inverted penis..........
.

Donger 08-25-2009 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6001016)
They both produce the same kind of thrust. Donger is wrong.



I have a feeling you're arguing just to argue, as a result, I'm not going to argue anymore. You have never once stated how the treadmill will overcome the thrust of the engine. No matter what you say, the thrust will push the plane off of the treadmill and create groundspeed to create lift.
Where did I state that the propeller does not create thrust? Of course it does.

The question seems to be a scenario where the plane will, with zero ground speed, suddenly leap off the treadmill because of the treadmill happens to be moving underneath the plane. I'm stating that without a massive gust of wind, that is not going to happen. If the treadmill is long enough (and the plane generates sufficient ground speed/airflow over the wing, of course it is going to fly. That scenario isn't much different than a conventional take-off.

MikeMaslowski 08-25-2009 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOhn (Post 6001021)
But were you wearing a purple shirt?
I saw that thread...and thankfully it wasn't me. Purple doesnt flatter my flawless features.

Skip Towne 08-25-2009 07:10 PM
The original Wright Flyer would really screw you guys up. It didn't have any wheels.

Donger 08-25-2009 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6001043)
The original Wright Flyer would really screw you guys up. It didn't have any wheels.
LMAO

And its propeller pushed, not pulled! The catapult it used was awesome, however.

stevieray 08-25-2009 07:14 PM
lamest hijack ever.

ChiTown 08-25-2009 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski (Post 6001002)
Your hairstylist is a guy.
In all seriousness, I don't think there is one person that I have conversed with on CP that I wouldn't have dinner with and buy dinner for. I'll drink and eat with just about anyone.......even skip.

JOhn 08-25-2009 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 6001051)
In all seriousness, I don't think there is one person that I have conversed with on CP that I wouldn't have dinner with and buy dinner for. I'll drink and eat with just about anyone.......even skip.
THIS

Gonzo 08-25-2009 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6001047)
lamest hijack ever.
This
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DeezNutz 08-25-2009 07:18 PM
Morphed into the most boring thread, evah.

Skip Towne 08-25-2009 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6001044)
LMAO

And its propeller pushed, not pulled! The catapult it used was awesome, however.
The whole thing was awesome. They built their own engine and it had an aluminum block. In 1903!! That engine drove two propellers, one spinning clockwise and the other counter clockwise so they didn't have to deal with torque.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-25-2009 07:24 PM
I'll eat dinner with anyone who voted for me. The rest of you can eat **** pie.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-25-2009 07:25 PM
BONUS:

Since SAUTO voted for me, you can experience after-dinner, non-stop SAKE!

joesomebody 08-25-2009 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 6000755)
ROFL - some sites have banned all discussion of the AoaT question. The fundamental ambiguity at the heart of the controversy is below.

http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/09/09/the-...amn-treadmill/

http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/treadmill_diagram.png



So basically, those in the 'won't fly' camp read the conditions to require that the axle -->wheel -->airplance have no forward momentum, otherwise the treadmill isn't actually 'mirroring' the airplane's efforts. They aren't concerned with the practical side, where the jet engines will accelerate the wheel/treadmill apparatus to infinite speed [not fast, not really fast, but infinite, as in increasing exponentially without end], and the system fails.
So basically if I get my Deloran to 88 mph... you're saying I can go back and put swine flu in the 1997 Bronco's koolaid?

burt 08-25-2009 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by burt (Post 6000981)
Back to the subject:

Dane
Adept Havelock
patteuu
Nzoner
Donger.

Nzoner and would get drunk and the other 4 would cure cancer.
AND Skip and Bill Parcells........

Donger 08-25-2009 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6001047)
lamest hijack ever.
You're correct. That hairstylist thing really took the lift out of the thread.

Tits McGee 08-25-2009 07:51 PM
Landing a plane on a treadmill = lost burst.

Titty Meat 08-25-2009 07:54 PM
1. Raised On Riots
2. Mecca
3. Nnzoer
4. MicJones
5. Whatever hot chick post on here

Reerun_KC 08-25-2009 08:01 PM
14 pages and 209 posts and not one person would like to have dinner with me...

You all can die and go **** yourself in a bucket of flaming ass!

boogblaster 08-25-2009 08:03 PM
Skip
scott free
Halfcan
Simply Red
Stevie Ray

Sully 08-25-2009 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6001138)
14 pages and 209 posts and not one person would like to have dinner with me...

You all can die and go **** yourself in a bucket of flaming ass!
Me either. I just chalk it up to being WAY funnier in the real world.

Gonzo 08-25-2009 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6001138)
14 pages and 209 posts and not one person would like to have dinner with me...

You all can die and go **** yourself in a bucket of flaming ass!
I'll have dinner with ya... but you're buying.
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OnTheWarpath15 08-25-2009 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6001147)
Me either. I just chalk it up to being WAY funnier in the real world.
You would have been on my list, but we've already met.

Reerun_KC 08-25-2009 08:06 PM
Sully
Gonzo
Buehler445
KC_Mizzou
Frazod

smittysbar 08-25-2009 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 6001148)
I'll have dinner with ya... but you're buying.
Posted via Mobile Device
Not as boring as this thread became, whoever started that BS is not allowed to dinner.

edit: lol, I read your post as boring.........since I was just about bored to death reading that crap.

Reerun_KC 08-25-2009 08:07 PM
OTWP58
Ari_Chiefs
The Talking Can
Milkman
The Bad Guy

Reerun_KC 08-25-2009 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 6001148)
I'll have dinner with ya... but you're buying.
Posted via Mobile Device
if you ever in OKC metro area. Wings and Beer is on me.

unothadeal 08-25-2009 08:08 PM
I'm posting to stay fresh in peoples minds so they are more likely to put me in their list.

Sully 08-25-2009 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6001160)
You would have been on my list, but we've already met.
Have we?

ROFL

I have a very vague idea of who I've even met on here.

Fairplay 08-25-2009 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6001119)
5. Whatever hot chick post on here


Then that still leaves you with 4 people.

StcChief 08-25-2009 08:09 PM
Frazod
Nzoner
Stevie Ray
XFactor
BrainCase

no kids allowed.

DaFace 08-25-2009 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 6001167)
Not as boring as this thread became, whoever started that BS is not allowed to dinner.
Dammit Buck!! :cuss:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6000601)
****.

I do have to admit, you personally created the thread that caused me to "miss" out on the most work ever, during the work week.

I'm afraid if you and I ate dinner together we'd argue over whether or not a plane with its wheels spinning on a treadmill could take off.

OnTheWarpath15 08-25-2009 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6001175)
Have we?

ROFL

I have a very vague idea of who I've even met on here.
Saturday afternoon football game a couple of years back with Phil, Roger, etc.

Your better half was there as well.

Donger 08-25-2009 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tits McGee (Post 6001117)
Landing a plane on a treadmill = lost burst.
Fascinating. We've only discussed taking off from a treadmill up to this point, but I suppose we could expand it to include the hypothetical landing of the same aircraft on the same treadmill.

DeezNutz 08-25-2009 08:11 PM
I don't like any of you ****ers.

I come here only to read my own posts.

Fairplay 08-25-2009 08:11 PM
So many to choose from.

Scottfree
HemiEd
Dane
Frazod
Jenson71

Ari and Buehler would be cool also.

Buehler445 08-25-2009 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6001181)
Dammit Buck!! :cuss:
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

OnTheWarpath15 08-25-2009 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6001188)
I don't like any of you ****ers.

I come here only to read my own posts.
LMAO

Definitely on my list, ****er.

Sully 08-25-2009 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6001185)
Saturday afternoon football game a couple of years back with Phil, Roger, etc.

Your better half was there as well.
Ah.
I never talked to folks at those, so I apologize for not remembering.

Reerun_KC 08-25-2009 08:13 PM
FWIW, I am avoiding all aviation and aerodynamics conversations...

OnTheWarpath15 08-25-2009 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6001195)
Ah.
I never talked to folks at those, so I apologize for not remembering.
I was the bald guy with the goatee.

ROFL

Sully 08-25-2009 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6001197)
I was the bald guy with the goatee.

ROFL
Now I remember!!!

ROFL

luv 08-25-2009 08:13 PM
Okay...my real list....

Bearcat
KcMizzou
Mecca
Mr Flopnuts
Rausch

Fairplay 08-25-2009 08:15 PM
What about me Luv?

Sully 08-25-2009 08:15 PM
I know who Phil and Roger are, and could pick them out in a crowd.
I remember Valiant being big, but couldn't point him out if he were in front of me.
I remember Domer, but the same applies.
I remember Dave Lane.

Reerun_KC 08-25-2009 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luv (Post 6001201)
Okay...my real list....

Bearcat
KcMizzou
Mecca
Mr Flopnuts
Rausch
I feel so left out!

luv 08-25-2009 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 6001203)
What about me Luv?
What do you have to add to the conversation besides insults?

OnTheWarpath15 08-25-2009 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6001206)
I know who Phil and Roger are, and could pick them out in a crowd.
I remember Valiant being big, but couldn't point him out if he were in front of me.
I remember Domer, but the same applies.
I remember Dave Lane.
Add yourself and Lzen to that list, and that's where I'm at.

Reerun_KC 08-25-2009 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luv (Post 6001213)
What do you have to add to the conversation besides insults?
:sulk:

me?


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