Moss was not triple teamed with Cassel at QB. Show me a clip of a "deep ball" by Cassel and I will show you a rainbow floater.

2008 Week 17 = copied from nfl dot com...

Cassel - longest completion 19 yards


Week 16

2nd longest completion 42 yards = M.Cassel pass short left to 34-S.Morris pushed ob at ARZ 14 for 42 yards (26-R.Hood).

LONGEST pass completion 76 yards = 16-M.Cassel pass short left to 81-R.Moss for 76 yards



Aw, heck, you'll notice...

I saw every snap Cassel took last season.

The Patriots aren't always right on players they sign or players they release. It just so happens that most Patriot players looked bad once the team let them go because in most of those instances, the player was old or over the hill. In many of those cases that people like to point out of the Patriots being right about letting someone go, SCOTT PIOLI was the one pulling the trigger on that move.. you know, our GM. So I don't know why Belichick is getting the benefit of the doubt with some people around here and Pioli isn't.

nice beard, nice pedophilostache, nice hair, nice nose. What a tool. Nice shirt. Since this homo (nttawwt) wrote this, I'm guessing Cassel ends up lighting up the league.

Personally, I don't really care who did the trade etc. I just care about what I saw of the player while he was playing football. You have a pair of eyes. Use them. Stop playing "the greater guru I'm parroting knows better than the guru you are parroting." How could anyone question the great Super Bowl coach Dick Vermeil for cutting undrafted OG Ryan Lilja.... unless you actually watched Lilja and noticed he was extremely good. If I came here to Chiefs Planet and told everyone here the Chiefs were really stupid to cut Lilja the day they did, how many responses would have told me that Vermeil "knows better than you!!!" ??????

Cassel is not going to escape sacks like Big Ben and he does not have a "gun" beyond about 25 yards for a "zipped" pass. Cutler can zip it 45 yards - Jamarcus about 55. If the defense knows the QB has a limited ability to zip a ball down the field, the strategy then becomes to bait him to try, which, as the "play by play" from last year suggests, he didn't... because not every NFL team had that figured out properly. They will eventually.

I noticed this very phenom in the Sanchez' vs Ravens thread. When Sanchez threw that wrongway pick/td the excuse I heard was: "Well... the Ravens will do that to a lot of teams this season".

The excuses for the franchise QB in NY from CP have started too.

And what's wrong with that comment?

I don't care who it is, I expect a rookie to struggle a bit in his 2nd preseason game against the best defense in the league, on the road.

All we heard about the Cassel deal is how he had more experience, and would be better suited to play with limited weapons and behind a bad OL. How we'd ruin a draft pick at QB. Cassel's a veteran, has experience, so on, and so forth.

Sorry, but people did it to themselves claiming that Cassel is a franchise QB without the risk of a draft pick.

Can't have it both ways.

Someone actually made that claim? lol

n0ob, you picked a bad example. It is obvious you were not here the day Lilja was cut.

Glad to hear there were those questioning the cut. Figures that the K-State kid would have some fans watching... even if some were scouts from the Colts...

I don't get the segway.

You're comparing Cassel to a hall-of-fame QB and arguably the best QB of his generation. And you're implying that he's backup material because he won a "measley" 11 games and didn't win all 16 games?

Pretty harsh stuff for a guy making his first ever starts in the NFL.

I've seen nothing that leads me to believe Cassel throws a lousy deep ball. He has to work on his accuracy, but the arm strength is fine. The deep ball is by far the most overrated element of a player's game. Can Cassel zip a 50 yarder? No. Can he zip a 20-yarder? Yes.

Even Peyton and Brees throw good not great deep balls.

to me it's also funny when people bash him for sitting behind 2 heisman winners in college.

I love that "he won" 11 games. Nobody else on the Pats mattered at all. Those 11 wins were 100% Cassel.


Brees' arm has gotten stronger since his first few years in SD, but he doesn't have a good deep ball. Brees has about 30-35 yards of range on zipped balls. Brees is super smart, accurate, and throws 50 times a game. He isn't a HOF caliber QB and never will be, and he is overrated because he puts up "big numbers" by throwing 50 times a game and stat parrots and fantasy people love him because of that. Truth be told, good defenses that press Brees really handle the Saints no matter how many yards and scores the Saints get in the meaningless Q4 against prevent. Cassel's "ceiling" is lower, and Brees is about 10 years ahead in net starting experience spotting four at Purdue. Peyton throws excellent deep balls. Peyton is a HOF QB. Brees is a wannabe who only impresses with stats other than wins.

The deep ball is not the most overrated part of the game. Fear of the deep ball causes the D to keep the safeties back, away from the LOS. If the opposing D loses that fear, watch it. For a great example, look at the Titan loss to SD in the playoffs two years ago. SD had nobody on D more than 5 yards off the LOS, because they had no fear of the Titan downfield passing attack, because there was no reason to fear it... and down went the Titans.

To have a ground game in the NFL, the defense must first fear the pass and defend the pass by not stacking the LOS...

WTF. Comparing the 2007 Patriots to the 2008 Patriots is apple to oranges. Did you watch any of the Patriots games? Cassel wasn't the reason they lost most of those games so shut your cum dump.

We'll be able to tell pretty quickly on this one.

Cassel or Sanchez?

Brady is clearly better and everyone knows that, but you are right it is a HORRIBLE comparison. That team wasn't going 16-0 again.

Ah yes, the "you can't say anything bad about our team" deal. Got it. Still waiting for a clip of a deep throw by Cassel that isn't a floater...


The opportunity cost of Cassel and converting to the 3-4 given the personnel on the roster and hence spending 1st and 3rd on 3-4 DLs is a pretty sorry score so far. Scott Pioli has had his first offseaon, and the Chiefs still have a sorry OL and a lame pass rush. The season may prove me wrong, but I'd give Pioli a flat "F" so far. Oh, but you have Matt Cassel to enjoy the fruits of that OL. Sanchez has better pass protection and a better set of skill players, but don't let that stop the "QB and only the QB wins the game crowd" from comparing the two. Craig Krenzel started off 3-0 for da Bears... a lock for the HOF for sure...

the thigpen and cassel bashers are the ones who act like "the qb and only the qb wins the game"

Your and idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHFEdh8jjiU

Dumbass

How many QB's throw 50 yard passes on a fly route like a 15 yard out pattern? Uh if your trying to go over the top the ball will need a higher trajectory. I disagree with your idea of Cassel having a rag arm. Instead of asking for evidence of long balls why don't you produce a clip of all the FLOATERS you seem to reference every other comment.

Interesting that even with that view, you don't see the ball in the air, because the throw is so high the camera misses it. I don't know what you define as a "floater" but that surely doesn't refute anything I've posted. That is a medium deep out lobbed to Moss so high it is out of the camera... LMAO

show me a qb that throws a 40-50 yard pass that stays in camera without the camera panning up

Correct, that is a 40 yard deep out FLOATER. Ball travels 55 yards in the air and Moss is there for it. But the pass is not exactly zipped. LOL. No. If you want to say that is "not a floater" then you have no clue at all.

Who cares about floaters?

Joe ****ing Montana floated his way into the Hall of Fame.

The system does not let me post LINKS...

There is a six minute Eddie Royal tape on youtube, the second clip of which is about 40 yards in the air from Jay...

Ok. I wasn't sure if you were a troll or a ****ing idiot. Now, I realize that you're a ****ing idiot even if you are a troll.

I don't agree with that. Joe had about 35 yards of laser when he needed it.

Sorry if the truth hurts...

I can understand this, but it's one thing to take a wait and see approach like I think you're saying and another to anticipate Poilis failure like the douchbag did with this list.

You're an idiot. Sorry if the truth hurts.

SO DOES CASSEL.

Jeez.

Go and watch highlights of Montana's deep balls - the stuff he threw over 40 yards, deep down the field.

High, arcing, floaters.

Completely irrelevant, quite frankly.

I must say I admire and respect the fans of the KC Chiefs... as fans.


I strongly disagree that Cassel has as strong an arm as Montana did. Montana did float some, but he could zip it when he needed to, and did. Neither could get it 40 yards zipped, but Montana had 10 on Cassel. Cassel, for an NFL starting QB, has a weak arm. The tape of the throw to Moss is everything he has with perfect protection, something he won't have here. Matt has 25 yards of zip and 55 of float. That allows defenses to pinch, jump routes, and blitz, and this roster doesn't appear to have either Randy Moss or Jerry Rice on it. Enjoy the season. Regardless of what happens, just remember that Pioli is the smartest darn GM ever to walk the planet, at least until he is fired...

That's a sweet excuse too. You expect that from a rookie. Okay. Ground work laid.

And look, I don't give a rat's ass either way. What the Chiefs do in the war room and on the field is completely out of my control. All I can do is be a fan of the laundry the guy wears.

At least your grammar is acceptable. The last one was "your and idiot."

Acceptable lexicon.

It has a story behind it that, as you grow on this forum, you'll find and laugh about.

One other notable: Retart=reerun.

Why is this douche still green? Feel welcome to help me fix that.

Your douche has been coming out green since you've been on the soft vegetables you old ****.
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this thread is parachute out of a plane and get stuck in the branches of an aids tree hilarious....

You should take a look at the one where someone claims that Ben Roethlisberger lucked into 2 Lombardi Trophies, and that Kurt Warner was "nothing special" before he got to Arizona.

I'll take Trent Green any day of the week over those guys.

I just hope that Cassel is as good as Green.

LMAO

ALL WE NEEDED WAS A DEFENSE AND WE WOULD HAVE ROLLED TO THE SUPER BOWL!!!111!1!!!1111one11eleventy...2

Uh-oh. CAn you link me to that/those?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=170

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=214

If sedated is going to go to stats, I'm wondering if he thinks Phil Rivers is a top 3 QB.

i was actually talking about your posts


the whole let's-try-really-hard-to-be-upset-about-a-season-that-hasn't-even-started-because-we're-obsessive-compulsive-and-slightly-miserable-martyrs-selling-some-a-ha-gotcha-argument-about-cassel-that-is-actually-incomprehensible-and-just-a-piss-poor-logical-sleight-of-hand-based-on-half-heard-comments-by-like-one-or-two-actual-posters-that-magically-become-representative-of-the-entire-planet-for-the-sole-purpose-of-enabling-the-fantasy-that-you-are-a-lone-knight-defending-reason-against-muslim-hordes-and-like-it-is-all-treated-like-it-is-real-life-and-not-just-some-poor-simulacrum-on-a-less-than-meaningless-sports-message-board-thing is really old and boring....just let mecca do it, at least he's good at it....




and yeah, those things you mentioned, that two people out of a 1000 believe, are stupid too

Dude, they're everywhere. Seriously.

There are people in this forum that thinks that Roesthisberger sucks, even after driving his team 80+ yards for the Super Bowl win.

They bring up his stats, talk about the defense, etc.

It's insane.

Um dude it's the QB position, I don't know what it is but our fan base generally speaking does not like QB's.

No reason to read past here.

I'm not upset at all. How the hell can you get upset when you have ZERO expectations?

If they aren't 6-10 or better next year, and competing for the division in 2011, THEN I'll get upset.

To be fair, one could at least make the argument that Rofflesburger's lack of intelligence cost them the chance at any kind of contention in 2006.

You know when he almost got himself killed? That was the thing I was getting at. And then I'm sorry but either the team or he himself rushed him back to the field that season after his appendectomy and then again after his concussion either way he needs to be able to tell them no. Think you are confusing the 2005 post season with the 2006 regular season which is what I'm talking about. He played more like Jake Plummer in one of his 20 INT seasons than himself in 2006.

I don't think he sucks. I think he's an amazing QB.

But don't deny for a second that he's able to play in his style of play because of his amazing defense. His defense gave up 13.9 points per game. Do you realize that in 5 seasons, the Chiefs' defense has only given up 14 or less points 16 times? The Steelers did it TEN TIMES in one season.

You are criticizing a perfectly thrown 40 yard pass?

That's a stupid thing to say.

BULLSHIT

You some kind of mind reader?

how come jets trading up and taking sanchez isnt on the list? or lions drafting stafford #1? these are obviously worse things right?

They traded Matt Cassel because it was more adventageous for the organization to cash in his trade value (which ballooned from out of nowhere!), than to pay him the market value he had earned as a backup for thier team. This, also, is the Patriot way, not just get rid of players who are finished at just the right time.

Branch and Samuel were let go for mostly financial reasons, not cause they got old and suck. Branch fell short of expectations from injury, not poor performance.

no all you have to do is read a couple of his posts.

Then you're doing a real shitty job of it, as always.

I've been predicting no more than 4-5 wins for this team since before Pioli and Haley were hired, so I'm not sure how I could be upset by anything they've done or haven't done - when you have no expectations, it's hard to be disappointed.

Nice try, Ms. Cleo.

whatever asshole. you arent upset over anything they have or havent done? ANYTHING? bullshit.

I've read more than a couple of his posts. I'm not reading "upset" from any of what he's said.

CAN YOU READ?

Why would I be upset when I've has ZERO expectations since before Pioli was hired?

Are there things they've done or haven't done that I don't agree with?

Absolutely.

But being upset about them?

Why?

I've thought all along that it's going to take 3 years for this team to be respectable again. What would cause me to get upset when I've expected them to suck all along?

really? so he's not upset we drafted tyson jackson? not upset we traded for cassel rather than draft a qb? not upset we didnt sign young WRs? not upset we didnt get more o-line help? maybe you dont read so good.

yeah dumbass i can read and 90% of your posts lately have sounded like a baby who's mom took away the tit.

He obviously disagreed with those moves. He can disagree without being upset, just as I am doing with you right now, brushing aside your ignorant speculative comment about my literacy.

well if you cant tell he's been upset the i dont know what else the problem is...

I know what the problem is. You're speculating about someone's state of mind over the internet, which is not exactly smart.

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YEAH i didnt get shit there

Actually, the distance the ball travels in the air is about 55 yards, since it is thrown in the middle of the field at about the 45 and caught on the sideline at the 15. The question was not the accuracy of the pass, but whether or not anyone could show me a video of a "deep pass" by Cassel that was not FLOATED. I am not questioning Matt's accuracy, but rather his arm strength. There is no way to deny that pass is floated. It has a high arc and spends about four seconds in the air. A "zipped" pass is "flat" and "fast." A "floater" is soft with lots of arc and much longer time in the air. So, once again, I ask the Red Planet here, can anyone show me a pass by Cassel of more than 25 yards in the air that is a ZIPPED flat fastball, not a floating arcing sky high softball???

Start the Jeopardy! music...

ok and you are doing the same thing no? i mean saying he's not upset is the same as saying he is.

I guess I'd have to just take his word for it, since, you know, his feelings are the topic of discussion. Jesus.ROFL

Oh, garbage. His arm is stronger than Trent Green's.

If you find fault with this throw you're a fool.

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ok well read some posts. if you can throw the fits he does and post about the same ****ing thing for hours on end you probably are upset

Honestly, if you cannot or will not read what I post, there is no sense replying. That is not a ZIPPED deep pass. It is a FLOATER. It is an accurate FLOATER, but it is indeed a FLOATER. It isn't a perfect spiral and Moss actually has to wait about a half second for it to get there. It is late getting there because it lacks MUSTARD, ZIP, ARM STRENGTH, LAZER...

Can you understand that ACCURACY and ARM STRENGTH are 2 different things???

Circular logic.

Trent Green had a weak arm for an NFL starter. The greatness of the Chief Offense during Trent's tenure here was the OFFENSIVE LINE, which was the best OL in recent history of the NFL. Priest Holmes and each and every one of his backups got 150 yards per game without much trouble BECAUSE OF THE OL. Trent Green's passer rating was excellent because Trent had time to see the field and step into his throws.

Put Trent Green behind a sorry offensive line and, well, what did the last Chief playoff game look like???

most is, life is a circle