Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

Genisis was a good gaming console. Sonic the hedgehog

Kathy Bates

"Mr Man"

For all the evil that he did, Capone also sponsored soup kitchens that kept thousands of Chicagoans fed during the early years of the Depression. Obviously this was self-serving, as Capone did all he could to sell himself to the press as a good guy, but there is no denying that he helped many people who might otherwise have starved.

LMAO

LMAOLMAOLMAO

We got REP!

brigham young why him? Easy he ordered his followers to kill a group of settlers. Forgot the name of the attack. The sttlers were killed and the childrens froced to live with mormans family.

Al Capone was the greatest gangster in American history

*shrug* His secretaries say Adolf Hitler was very kind. He had some took good care of his dogs too.

BFD.

J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy; two un-American swine who failed to meet the stray bullet they so desperately deserved.

:rolleyes:

I thought about mentioning Hoover, but decided that I didn't really want to go down that road. He wasnt' without redeeming qualities, however, which took him off my list.

McCarthy was a scumbag, but I don't think his notable achievements reach the level of epic villiany.

Yeah, but Eva used to kick Blondi when Adolf wasn't looking, so it becomes a neutral.

Ted Kaczynski? (Unabomber)?

All authoritarians, whether just or parading as such, need to be taken down a notch if not outright killed in most cases.

And yeah, I'm standing by it ****ers; take your best shot.

Wherever that guy went, he got run off. Tarred and feathered in Ohio, and when they tried to settle in Missouri, the legislature put a law on the books that remained until the late 70's stating that a citizen of the State could shoot a Mormon on sight.

Either jefferson davis or abraham lincoln. Or both. Probably both.
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Barry Bonds

You really equate "took good care of his dogs" with keeping thousands of Americans from starving? Nice.

Here's another nomination for greatest American villain - Andrew Volstead.

Yep, that's a good one.

I assume Obama has already been mentioned so, having grown up in Jesse James country, I'll go with the coward Bob Ford.

Repost?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. With apologies to oldandslow, I nominate Sitting Bull.

George Steinbrenner and Bobby The Brain Heenan.

What would your position on Bernie Madoff be if we addedt hat he killed a couple hundred people, but on the other side of the ledger he gave to some soup kitchens?

Seriously -- you're talking about an evil mass-murdering f**khead who stole, in various ways, the equivalent of billions of dollars in today's money.

He gave SOUP to the POOR!! Hooray for him. :rolleyes:

http://www.paranormalknowledge.com/a...y-massacre.jpg

Yep, how dare that sonofabitch defend his home.

wayne pacelle, ingrid newkirk

oldandslow's not gonna like that.

I bet he'll be disappointed when he sees my clean shaved head.

You didn't compare him to Bernie Madoff - you compared him to Adolph Hitler. Frankly, that's reeruned.

I never said Capone was heroic. But very few people are either (a) completely good, or (b) completely evil. It is very likely that Capone helped far more people than he ever hurt. And had it not been for prohibition, Capone would never have enjoyed the power and prestige that he amassed. The mob simply responded to the will of the people. Our own stupid government is just as responsible for every criminal act that happened regarding bootlegging as Capone was.

Uh, British.

And PETA can suck ballz, but there's nothing wrong with the Humane Society.

Yeah, those poor Irish altar boys, they never did nothin' to nobody. :whackit:

It must be nice to get all of your history lessons from bumper stickers. Much easier to understand that way.

FEMA

:LOL:

****in'-A. Rep.

I'll add State Farm and Allstate to that mix.

I know it's the "easy" pick, but I'll throw my vote in there for Charlie Manson. When you look at villains, one thing to look at is their motives. Manson's motive for the whole helter skelter craziness was to rule the farking world. He was like every movie villain in that sense which made his story even more unbelievable.

Basically he wanted his killings to appear like they were done by Black Panthers, thus igniting a race war that in his opinion black people would win because they had been repressed for so long. However, he thought they were too dumb to lead themselves so he would come out of hiding and be their leader. Now he has obvious gaping holes in his theory as there are more than just whites and blacks in the world, but you have to give him an A+ for ambition and scope.

Also, he hopelessly brainwashed his people into little more than robots to do his bidding. Koresh and other cult leaders, except maybe Jim Jones, didn't get anywhere near his level of brainwashing. And one of his minions had a presidiential assassination attempt, so at least they were shooting for the stars.

And he gave us the great "pile bodies to the sky" quote. Well done, you crazy fugger.

one in the same.

Not an American.

Humane Society runs shelters and euthanizes animals; how can that be "one in the same"?

LMAO

no they dont. your local HS runs 'shelters' the HSUS donates zero dollars to your local shelter.

Okay....well I'm bored with this topic anyway; you win.

When I think "villian"....I dont necessarily think of "killer" per se.....I think of people who are as close to universally hated as possible....so with that in mind:

George Steinbrenner
Nikolai Volkov and the Iron Sheik
Shanon Sharpe
Al Capone

Depending on one's POV - Jack Kevorkian.

Vernon Wayne Howell, (aka David Koresh)

Getty lee

Please, I know who the victims are.

You're going pretty far out of your way here to defend a mafia don...

ME.


If you people only knew.

Charles Manson.

William Bonney

Better than Ezra

You mean two letters? :D

Mojo Jojo has an obvious fascination with the letters O and J.

If you're including them both, then you'd better add Roy Coen.

I'm wanted for manslaughter in Joplin, Missouri. Just saying.

Robert E. Lee?

Please.

Chris Collinsworth

Henri Wirz

The Greatest American Hero is the Greatest American Villain.

I may have missed it, but I'm surprised no one has listed Sirhan Sirhan. He was a game changer. Without him RFK probably defeats Nixon. Without Nixon...
-The Watergate is just another Hotel/Apartment Complex in D.C.
-No one knows who Woodward and Bernstein are.
-Deep Throat is just a movie.
-G. Gordon Liddy is not selling gold on cable TV.

Winner.

I'm not defending him so much as pointing out that your knowledge and understanding of history are simplistic at best and imbecilic at worst.

You can't call TJ a villian, but I sure wish Ben Franklin would have whipped his ass a few times to temper his lust for commercial expansion.

wes hardin

Was Sirhan an American? I thought he was Jordanian.

I haven't looked it up though.

EDIT: My bad. He was Palestinian.

He was an amazing guy - probably the most skilled gunman of the era.

Greatest AMERICAN villans?
Depends on your point of view, but you can make a case for these "villans" affecting the greatest number of Americans with their actions:
Andrew Jackson (ask the Native Americans)
Gen. WT Sherman (ask the South)
Capt. W Quantrill (ask Kansas)
Gen. T Ewing (Ask Missouri)
John Rockefeller (reason for anti-trust legislation)
FDR (ask Japanese Americans)
Joseph McCarthy (red scare in the 50's)
LBJ (ask a Vietnam Vet)
Nixon (ask a Vietnam War Protester)
Dubya (Where's the WMD's?)

"I sincerely believe that if Robert Kennedy were alive today, I believe he would not countenance singling me out for this kind of treatment. I think he would be among the first to say that, however horrible the deed I committed 14 years ago was, that it should not be the cause for denying me equal treatment under the laws of this country."

— Sirhan Bishara Sirhan

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Sure.

I still think the civil war divided 2 ways resulted in the most loss of life that can be contributed to one person in american history.
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Which one person? The idiot that decided that it would be a good idea to fire on Fort Sumter?
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LBJ and J Edgar Hoover are people who immediately pop in my head.

No, I put the blame on jefferson davis and abraham lincoln both, thus dividing the total civil war casualties both ways making them co-villains.

Another person you could make a case for is truman.
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Chan Gailey

So you're saying that Beauregard should have just allowed a foreign power to maintain a military base right in the middle of a key harbor?

:spock:

Please, I just have to hear this.:rolleyes:

hmmmm i always considered wes hardin more of a cold blooded murderer & wild bill more the iconic shootist.

Disney

oh yea, I forgot, Leo Strauss.

Hardin was pretty much unequalled in his prowess with a pistol. Even in later life he was still capable of pulling off amazing trick shots. Hickok himself was reluctant to challenge him.

But yes, he was definitely a cold blooded killer.