Jared Allen. Then the dumbass pissed him off, and let him go with franchising him or anything. And the guy wanted to play here. God, Carl was such a dildo.

You don't think Stephen Lynch is funny, you suck.

Are you also a fan of Carlos Mencia and/or Dane Cook?

If so, I truly hate you.

JC. Jackson only did 20 reps? Seriously? I can do 15 and I'm 5'11 and I weigh 195 lbs and I am 38.

Seriously?

have fun as a lion

Fluffer

LMAO

That still makes me sad. I was so pissed, but when we drafted Albert i was like well maybe our offensive line will be decent. Ya right, Dude looks like he's regressing. I bet Jared is sitting there saying, i am so ****ing glad they traded me out of that mess.

You have to remember that Jared Allen was coming off his second DUI at the time. The next one would have cost him a season. That wasn't the risk the Chiefs wanted to take at the time.

It doesn't matter.

Jared Allen would have been traded this year because he's really not suited for the 3-4. I'm sure he would have done "okay" but he's really suited for the 4-3.

Yeah, and he already had two before that.

Sorry people, it was the right move.

Allen in the 3-4 would be like Aaron Kampman in the 3-4 I think he'll be successful but he won't be as good as he was in the 4-3.

Ehzactly

I'm not so sure, what would he have been like as a 3-4 OLB? its entirely possible he'd be Ebola sick, he's been a model citizen so far in Minn, 14.5 sacks in 08 & not one flag thus far in 09.

I didnt like some of the classless ways he handled his departure, but he was departing from one of the worst NFL GM's ever...who was really wrong?

Its too late for shoulda woulda coulda's, but i'd love to have JA back.

Kampmans range of moves, quickness & pure athleticism dont even come close.

BS.

Dude, he wouldn't have been "sick". He's a 4-3 down lineman and playing in a 2-point stance wouldn't have been an advantage for him. Not at all.

Like Mecca said, he'd be like Aaron Kampman.

Why do you think that Allen wanted to go to another 4-3 team?

What makes you think that a guy like Jared Allen, who's played as a down-lineman for this entire decade, would suddenly be better in a two-point stance?

That just doesn't make any sense.

AND on top of that, he'd have to routinely drop into pass coverage.

WTF?

Its very possible that i missed that news, but i'm thinking Jared went where the money was.

Had he known that a real NFL program was coming to KC, maybe he'd have felt differently about it.

It wouldn't have mattered.

He's not a 2-point stance, drop into coverage, 3-4 outside linebacker.

Period.

What?

I agree. IMO if he expsoses his belly he's toast. If you can get past his length he's not as hard to block. If he's standing up his length is gone.


PhilFree:arrow:

According to this site, yes. And a few other sources
Jackson http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2009&genpos=DE
Dorsey http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2008&genpos=DT
McBride http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2007&genpos=DT

If you can run a 4.5, you're hired

He has all of the athleticism of a younger Mike Vrabel & then some, snaring tip-toe 2 point conversion passes for petes sake...he would be one hell of an OLB IMO.

We'll never know for sure.

We know.

Mike Vrabel has NEVER put up several 15 plus sacks seasons.

Mike Vrabel was in the league for 5 years before he made an impact.

Mike Vrabel's best year was 10 sacks.

Mike Vrabel is paid $3.5 million per year and was dumped by a perennial Super Bowl coach.

Jared Allen, the DEFENSIVE END, is the highest paid defensive END in the league.

And rightfully so.

No offense but you don't know what you're talking about.

Have a good night.

And of all the 4-3 teams minn may have been the best place for him to go.He can look toward the center of the line and see 600lbs plus of williams taking up blockers and collapsing the pocket.A great spot for a pass rushing end to be.

Dane theres almost no reason to debate these people when it comes to the few good draft picks Carl Peterson made. Theres alot of people who still think trading Tony Gonzalez for a 2nd round pick was a bad trade. It's too bad Pioli wasn't hired a year earlier with all those picks this team woulda been a contender for the playoffs this year.

I wouldn't be thrilled being compared to Vrabel who was basically a scrub until he was nearly 30 years old...a friend of mine basically said he's a great example of a career due to modern chemistry..because well if you want HGH side affects just look at his chin.

Maybe.

He wouldn't have sucked with the Giants, either.

Or the Jets with Rex Ryan.

If 'WE' know know just how dynamic & athletic he is...why is it such a stretch to see him operating in space?

Its a pointless argument, i can only speculate, the same as everyone here with all of the answers speculates.

On the giants good lord....would be like bill gates hitting the lottery...the ultimate rich getting richer.

Alright, goddamit. Give me a ****ing break.

Jared Allen has been a 4-3 defensive end his entire professional and college career. He's been extremely successful in the NFL with not just one but two NFL teams.

Why in the ****ing world would you try to change that? That's just ****ing uninformed, fan-boy bullshit.

Jared Allen covering tight ends? WTF? Yeah, let's take him away from what he does best.

JFC.

Maybe Dwayne Bowe should be a defensive back or safety.

What do you think?

I'm not trying to change that, why is it such an offense to wonder what could have been?

I say he could have made the transition, you & some others here dont...but to be told by people here, flat-out, that 'no he couldnt. period.' doesnt make any sense to me.

Goodnight.

Freeney when he was younger would be the kind of de that could make that switch. Thats where I thought he might play coming out of school. Prob a bit short though he's only 6'1. He's 268 now but was closer to 250 when he came out.

Allen with them this year would be ****ing sick. That team that the Vikes have been promising/projected to be for the last two years? The one that just needed a good QB to make the legitimate run?

That's New York right now. I honestly think they are going **** the Patriots world up this week. They are going to physically and defensively bloody them. Beat them down. They'll have their problems with Brady( who doesn't? ), but they will be WAY more up his ass than Buffalo, and I guarantee you will NOT see any boneheaded bullshit game-killers like McKelvin pulled under Rex Ryan.
That team is a true sleeper in the NFL right now. And they're hungry. And they're starting to believe in themselves and that they can do this because of their coach and their QB.
If they beat New England this week, I can guarantee you will see them in the post season.


Edit:

This just in.

If Jared Allen were still here I doubt we'd be switching to the 3-4.

I think one of the main reasons we're switching to a 3-4 was that the guys got in here and decided that this defensive roster in essence had little to no talent to run an effective 3-4 OR 4-3 scheme, and therefore they might as well clean house and essentially start over.

Hali had been a disaster in the 4-3 without Allen. Dorsey wasn't doing anything. DJ wasn't doing anything special.

But if Jared Allen were still here, I think they'd be more inclined to try and put in some pieces around him and keep the 4-3 scheme.

But really, Carl and Herm and Gunther did such a spectacular job of ****ing up this defensive front seven that there was really no clear elite building block there. You might as well dump the trash and start over...

Dorsey was a goddamned rookie DT in the 4-3. He had the same kind of rookie year that basically every other rookie DT had. He had numbers almost identical to the player he was most compared to in the pre-draft process, Warren Sapp. We would have switched to the 3-4 regardless of whatever talent we had, because the FO was by-god-****ing-damned and determined to switch to it.

Did Belichick install the 3-4 in NE right off the bat?

the sad thing is...they did improve

Great way to try and end one thread that morphed into an alternate reality world. Now there is going to be 3 or 4 more threads about who we would have drafted? Would we even have traded Allen? Haley was nobody then, who would our coach be?

People are insecure. Dane threatens some of them. They can't handle the braggadocious.

We were always going to end up as a 3-4 team, that's what the NE guys do.

Exactly.

Jared Allen would have been traded, regardless.

Kinda sucks that Turk is gone in the sense that he did show a few signs of being solid last season and is a likeable guy/story. Still the attempted shift to LB showed he had no place in this defense before camp even started.

I don't know how anyone can stand to listen to that voice for longer than the 2 seconds it takes to recognize and then switch the station.

Don't you think you should wait and see what they do with that pick before coming to a conclusion that it was good or bad?

The Falcons are in a 43.

No.

Dimitroff, as many of have said, is the one guy who didn't do it the way of a geometric proof. Ironically, he's also the only one to leave and have immediate success. Are the two correlated? Maybe, maybe not.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a little mind"

Thanks Herm,

"Sitting in front of his stall in the Reliant Stadium visitors' locker room, Leon Washington kept shaking his head, trying to find the words.

The Jets had just run for 190 yards in their season-opening 24-7 win over the Texans. As the conversation turned to fullback Tony Richardson, Washington had to take a few moments to find the way to appropriately describe just how vital Richardson was to the ground game.

"Man, look here," Washington said. "You find a better fullback over the last . . . I mean this guy has been playing for 16 years. He's blocked for a lot of great ones. I've got nothing but love and respect for that guy. That guy comes out every day, and every game he does his job and it seems like he's got another eight years in him."

That's probably the last thing any opponent wants to hear. The 6-1, 238-pound Richardson is still going strong at age 37, showing no sign of slowing down. He was hampered a bit in the preseason after suffering a hip pointer on the first day of tackling drills in training camp up in Cortland. But he's bounced back nicely, serving as the lead blocker and bowling ball that knocks the pins down to pave the way for the Jets' stable of running backs.

Richardson, who's in his second year with the Jets, had two crushing blocks that sprung Thomas Jones on his way to a 106-yard, two-touchdown performance in the second half. On Jones' 38-yard touchdown run, he clocked Nick Ferguson as the safety was coming in from the right side, leveling him so hard that Ferguson crumpled to the turf.

He also sealed the right side of the line beautifully on Jones' 39-yard burst midway through the fourth quarter, locking up cornerback Brice McCain to give Jones a gaping hole to run through.

"There were some plays earlier in the first half that I was like, dang, I wish I would have gotten a better hit on this guy or whatever," Richardson said. "But that's just how the running game is. It's violent and really it's not always going to be perfect."

Herm is the gift that keeps on giving...

Strength at the point of attack is usually much more about lower body strength and leverage, therefore bench press reps aren't totally meaningful.

Neither.

But Stephen Lynch is fuh-knee.

This.

And that.

True. He's a pretty singular anomaly in an otherwise fairly consistent model of the guys that have left New England.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out, because so far, he's not just the only one to have immediate success, he's the only one to have ANY success.

Is there a possibility that if Allen was still here when the new regime took over.....that we would have stayed with the 4-3?

why would anybody miss this guy? he did nothing for us...NOTHING

I think that Jared Allen, much like Tony Gonzalez, wouldn't be into the whole "changing of the culture thing". I think he would have been traded because these guys (Pioli, Haley and the defensive staff) are all 3-4 guys.

Plus, putting Allen in the 3-4 just wouldn't and couldn't maximize his talents. It would be a waste and I think that he'd turn into a malcontent, which would not sit well with this regime.

Cool white guys that listen to country music, drink beer, hunt and play in the NFL are in short supply.

i was talking about turk. i see now the convo switched over to jared. yeah, im pissed we let him go but it was inevitable is my take on that one

I agree.

I think they would have gone 3-4 regardless and Jared might not have had a good place to fit.

But your first sentence is the most important IMO. It's quite possible that Jared wouldn't have meshed with Haley and Pioli - much like Waters and Gonzo, he had accomplished quite a bit personally, and he probably wouldn't have appreciated the style.

Guys named Turk are in short supply in the NFL

ha...word....hey u and tiny gonna meet up for any games this season?

They were like 11th last year. People act like it's the Raven's offense of old and it's not.

From The Detroit News:

Defensive lineman Turk McBride didn't seem to fit anymore with the Kansas City Chiefs, who switched from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense this offseason. The three-year pro was waived by the Chiefs on Tuesday, according to NBCsports.com.

Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham had the same job with the Chiefs when McBride, 24, was drafted in the second round in 2007 and played in all 16 games his rookie season, making McBride (6-foot-2, 278 pounds) a likely waiver pickup for the Lions.

Yeah, I think so.

There's a new sports bar opening in Hollywood on Friday. 7,000 square foot with forty-five 65" flat screens. Like 60 beers on tap or something called Capitol City.

I know I'll probably hit that place in October so I'll shoot you a PM to see if you're up for it.

The Lions really could go 0-16 again this year.

mcbride picked up by lions per 610


shocker

NFL.com rankings just came out. We'll be picking at number three again this year if they are to be believed.

Jason laconfronta (sp?) says the lions have claimed him officially

http://images.southparkstudios.com/i...son10/1002.jpg

Good for YOU, Turk!

Can I come? I'll buy you a $12 beer and we can look fabulous together chillin' and sh*t. :)

that's what happens when you draft a ****ing back up with your second pick in the nfl draft - **** herm, ****ing stupid ****

thanks lol

Will you be in town?

I doubt I'll look too fabulous at 10am but you're welcome to put on your best duds.

LMAO