Goff sucked as in preseason.

He's referencing the guys that have sat during regular season games because of poor performance.

Haley has yet to put Niswanger, Goff or Ndukwe in the "doghouse" in the past 3 games, and they are far and away the biggest slackers.

Then again, since he cut the only serviceable OL depth they had, he's made it almost impossible to sit any of those guys to "send a message" like he's attempted to do with other players.

Actually that's not what I'm bitching about...they bench guys for being reeruned.

Why have Goff and Ndukwe so far continued to start when they are the worst ****ing players out there?

Seriously if Bradley and Charles need to be "taught a lesson" Ndukwe should have to sit for a month for what he did today.

I don't think that is it but even it was over half this team is going to be gone next year so who gives a shit.

Haley isn't the first coach to yell and berate his players and he won't be the last.

Well, when that same head coach is also calling the plays, he needs to keep his shit together.

There's no way in the world he can be an effective playcaller if he's constantly consumed by rage.

The 60 million dollar man didn't have any time to do anything else. O-Line sucks.

All I'm gonna say is if I was a player and a coach was up my ass every 5 seconds about every little thing then I watched him basically throw in the white flag in the 3rd quarter today..

This thought would go through my mind "this guy is all talk and no show"

So what about the half that returns?

Presumably, those will be the more talented players. If they don't respect him and his message, it won't matter. They'll just be forced to keep turning over the roster until they find 53 guys that don't mind getting screamed at.

I guess that's what they mean by the right 53?

If you noticed today he didn't do it hardly at all. He says he is working on it. I appreciate that he realizes he isn't perfect.

Seriously if Bradley and Charles need to be "taught a lesson" Ndukwe should have to sit for a month for what he did today.[/QUOTE]
THIS. I think there is some boys in High School that can block better than him

Today he was busy making that face like someone ran over his dog.

Goff is bad I agree, Nedukwe is bad but he replaced a player that was sucking ass as well and that everyone screamed to get rid of. There was a change but that's not acknowledged. The tone is that nothing was done.
The comment about Niswanger was that Haley's players (guys brought in) are the only ones not benched for poor play. Niswanger is not a Haley/ Pioli guy.

I didn't see him lose his cool at all and this was a game worthy of it.

Where is Pioli's boy O'Callaghan can't they put him out there at RT?

Problem is, the guy they brought in is WORSE than what we had.

Had any of us known that the play of the RT would have gotten worse after cutting Mac, none of us would have advocated cutting him.

Change is one thing.

Not realizing how bad our offensive line was until the 3rd game in the preseason is inexcusable.

Ndukwe, Alleman and O'callaghan are not good linemen. They were the best we could get because we sat on our hands so long. The point is that we had a bunch of much better options earlier in the preseason, but for whatever reason, the front office didn't make it a priority.

THIS. I think there is some boys in High School that can block better than him[/QUOTE]

Albert wouldn't be one of them though. Neither would Waters.

The right 53 probably means players that don't **** up constantly. Don't **** up and you don't get yelled at.

I learned that fairly quickly in USMC boot camp

In other words...we can't read the future, we asked for change, got it and are now pissed?

Pretty much how I see it.

I think that goes back to what I said though..

They had the 3rd pick and they were making a move for Cassel they blew their signing bonus cash on those 2 players.

The Chiefs don't go big market and drop 100 mill on bonuses in 1 year.

This.

It's unfathomable to me that the "Executive of the Decade" has been so bad at talent evaluation over the past 9 months.

When you trade for a guard then make him a tackle it's pretty obvious what is going to happen.

We asked for improvement, not change. **** man. Come on.

While that might be true, the upgrades that were available could have been signed for peanuts (especially through the draft). That might explain why they didn't go after Olshansky and Canty. But it doesn't explain the o-line.

I'm going to say it now, you were right.

I don't think not making it a priority is the reason. I think they mis-evaluated what we had which is a big mistake and I won't argue that. I don't think they thought these guys would be top notch, I think they were banking on servicable until they had time to get what they wanted.

As long as they don't repeat the mistake, which the last regime did for a while, I can live with it. They do it again and that's another issue.

Not at all.

I think most people would have expected the "Executive of the Decade" to bring someone in that is an upgrade before cutting someone loose.

Mac caught a lot of shit on this board, but he's a ****ing All-Pro compared to Ndukwe.

This

JFC.

This place has ****ing become reerunCentral.com lately.

Well a guy like Jason Brown signed with the Rams because of how much money he got there.

You guys state the team was untaleneted last year going into this year and now you expect them to do a 180 in 1 offseason.

Your geniuses.

Imrpovement and change go hand in hand. McSacintosh wasn't cutting it. So you have to make a change and hope for improvment. If we don't improve we repeat the process until we do.

About?

He wasn't consumed by rage today. He actually kept it in check VERY well.

Your right about that but for the opposite reason.

Won't be able to tell much about this year. Looking for bright spot. They both inherited a mess. It is what it is....not worth the energy of a melt-down.

There were plenty of offensive linemen there in the later round of the draft the Chiefs could have picked. They chose not to,why I have no idea. Jake O Connel is a steal though really....

Like he said I expect the executive of the decade to be able to evaluate players better than this.

He had an offseason to make moves and we resorted to making preseason panic ones.

Exactly.

You should have been hired as the coach. :)

We shoulda hired Eric DeCosta...cause well if you think about that and how much different our team would be.

No. Change doesn't necessarily = improvement. They do not go hand in hand.

And the "Executive of the mother****ing Century" better be doing a little better than "hoping" for improvement. If all he's doing is "hoping", he sucks complete ass at this job.

They HAVE to put him out there next week.

Urine idiot

Last year everyone raved about Albert...now everyone says he is sucking...

Everyone griped that we needed to cut Macintosh, we did...and now people are griping...


Some of you should offer to give Haley and Pioli some of your expertise on picking players...or lend them your crystal ball, either one.

No, Pete. You don't HOPE in the NFL.

Mac wasn't cutting it.

Bringing in someone who's WORSE isn't cutting it either.

I never said change=improvement. Slow down and read it again.

Form what we saw, I agree.

Obviously he didn't appear to be worse.

Or they see room for him to improve where they didn't with Mac. DOH!

No he's not. And Ndukwe isn't our worst offensive lineman. Albert has been getting absolutely abused every single game, and add to that the multiple penalties that he's been drawing every game, it's not pretty. In fact, I'd say that the right side of the line held up substantially better than the left side of the line today.

I want my out of control coach to be out of control. Fire his ass.

If I say yo man Mac sucks out there at RT if you turned to me and said..how about I trade for this guard from Miami that's gonna get cut and we play him at RT? Cause that's what we did..

I'd look at you and go, are you high?

IMO, Wade Smith should be starting at center or right guard, Ndudwe should be at right guard if anywhere (just like 15 games last season for the Dolphins).

If O'Callaghan can't beat out Ndukwe at right tackle, this front office should be scouring every practice squad and league for a competent tackle.

This is getting re-goddamn-dickulous.

Yep.

Ndukwe played for the Dolphins last year and started for them in their playoff game.

He is just a stop gap.

I think people should be more worried about our supposedly stud LT who is probably playing worse than anyone. I notice people are pretty quiet about him though.

Sorry, but Stevie ****ing Wonder could see that Mac was better than what Ndukwe has offered.

Not really even close.

There are some tangential connections in this post.

Think of all the posters on this site whom you consider knowledgeable about football: are these people bitching about Albert?

Yes, we needed to cut Sackintosh...AND replace him with someone better, not worse.

And, based on what we've seen thus far, Pioli could profit from a little advice....

Exactly.

Ndukwe played GUARD not tackle, it is not remotely the same. Trading for a guard and making him a tackle is an asinine thing to do.

AT GUARD.

And as I said, they obviously see that Duke is either better or has more room for improvment. Anyway, when are you sending them your resume?

Is this the out that we can always resort to?

Dude, I don't want to see you ever bitch about another official in another thread again. Have you been contacted to umpire or officiate? When are you sending your application to the private training schools?

I doubt there is any panioc unlike with you.

Are they pissed guys aren't performing? Hell yes, but I guarantee you there is no panic at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Disappointment? Yes.
People that panic are the people that don't believe in the process. If you believe in what your doing is right, you are not panicking.

Pioli and Haley both stated at the kick off luncheon they didn't know when we were going to win but they would tun it around and make a winner out of the franchise.

Have you ever manged people or a process? I know you haven't. I have 168 employees that work for me and some of them regardless of the direction you give them make the dumbest mistakes you ever saw. You would think you could just can them and get somebody better but the fact is there is competition for good experienced employees (or players) and just because you want them and it would work out for both parties doesn't mean you can just go get all the people you want.

Building a football team and building a company with a bunch of employees isn't that much different. You can't turn either around in a short period of time.

They also thought Goff was an upgrade, so forgive me if I'm not rushing to praise their talent evaluations.

See, we should've drafted a LT and moved Albert to RT. I was right all along. :)

I'm just kidding.

When the Schedule first cam out I thought the Chiefs would win 3 games maybe, At this point I wonder if the Chiefs can even beat Cleveland

So we should have kept McInsuck and hoped he improved rather than working on Nedukwe thinking he had an upside?

Why we drafted a guard to play LT?

Uh dude, signing and trading for upwards of 10 players during preseason is panic.

:shrug:

I don't see it. That one pre-season game, the last one with McIntosh, was about as bad as I've ever seen a tackle play. And I actually think that Albert has played worse than anyone on the offensive line so far this season. I guess I'll have to take your word on it.

No one is asking you too. I am just saying you're using hindsight.

Nah how about they acquire someone who can you know play the ****ing position?

What's with you ****ing attitude?

You are THE biggest, whiny ****ing bitch EVER to post on Chiefsplanet.

Get a ****ing life.

Sent it in last year, thank you! ROFL

I am just saying you are using hindsight.....a luxury they didn't have.

Gee, and you are the most angriest person ever...


GET A LIFE!

Goff played really well last year. You think that may have been what they valuated him on?

No, I just get tired of your stupid, childish threads and your stupid ****ing comments.

Who did you want?

Wow, it's just that easy.....

need a pro-bowl RT, just go get one, they are everywhere.

No, he didn't.

Ask a Chargers fan, if you can find one.