But so did FAX so that officially makes it right......


:eek: *head explodes*

Some of you cry that Herm would have been crucified for yesterday. That's because he would do it in his 23rd game. This was Haley's 3rd. Whether you would have made the same choices or not, Haley's gonna be here a while so just settle down and see where he's going with this.[/QUOTE]

THIS

:rolleyes:

Do I need to dig out the thread where you and I agreed multiple times on guitarists?

So ban yourself for a month or so.

The definition of pussy doesn't change, whether it's week 32 or week 3.

Again. Only because this is his third game. Herm called games almost this poorly well into his second season and beyond. I gave Herm the benefit of the doubt to until he showed it was not warranted. Maybe it will go the same way with Haley but I don't see the point in assuming the worst with a new regime.

Meaning?

It's a horseshit decision, in isolation or part of a larger pattern. Neither get a pass from me.

oh JFC, now Haley is a pussy?

It just comes down to whether you believe he was proving something and whether you think it was worth it. You obviously don't on both counts so there's not gonna be any good here as far as you're concerned. I am just choosing to give him the benefit of the doubt, however slight it is. This time next year I will not be so easy going.

Are you forgetting that Haley was on offensive coordinator before coming here? He isn't new to calling plays at all. Please find another excuse.

Well then. The front office should stand up and take notice. You're obviously someone they should be listening to. :rolleyes:

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, I don't think anyone knows anything about Haley.

He coordinated an offense with Hall of Fame players for two years.

Before that, he bounced around the league for a decade as a receivers coach.

He may prove to be a successful, quality head coach.

Or, he may not.

Fair enough.

I understand that you and others share this view.

We'll agree to disagree, as I cannot see any positive message coming from this situation.

I approve of (and actually agree with) this.

Quitting, as he did yesterday, is a pussy move, yes.

Is he a pussy? I tend to doubt it, but who knows.

This isn't a "one size fits all" world, Mr. KC Fish.

There are significant differences between those two coaches and their respective approach to the game. The R2P2 reflected Herm's intrinsic, conservative, philosophical approach to offense. No one really believes that Haley really wants to run an offense like that.

Haley represents the hope that, as a fan, you'll experience eventual progress and improvement. Herm represents the hope that, as a fan, you'll be run over by a concrete mixer on the freeway.

FAX

LMAO. Ok, then. Thanks for sharing.

*sigh* I don't mean his inexperience, I mean it takes time to instill "his way" or whatever you want to call it. I believe that's what he was doing. Proving a point and getting down to the absolute fundamentals of offense that our team sucks at. The second half was basically on the job training for our o-line. You may not believe that, but Haley's history with powerful offenses gives him enough credit with me that I'm not gonna dismiss him as a shitty play caller.

But I don't think anyone is calling this into question. What is yet to be determined, however, is whether Haley is in over his head as a HC, especially with all of his additional responsibilities.

True.

I am staying optimistic for the time being. However, Haley still has a lot to prove.

That line was in response to the question of if I was indeed aware he had at one time been an offensive coordinator. I am. I even saw him call a game once!:D

In less than a year's time, this fanbase has gone from reading Herm Edwards the riot act over not kicking a field goal late in a game that would have kept us from getting shut out - to saying it's perfectly ****ing acceptable to completely quit trying to win coming out of the tunnel after HALFTIME.

ROFL

REACH based upon your preferred assumptions...

What am I reaching for?

This place went to DefCon 2 after the Carolina game because Herm didn't kick a ****ing field goal to keep from getting shut out.

And now people are saying it's OK to quit to "send a message."

I'd love to know where you think I'm reaching.

Oversimplify much? I think everything in this post has been addressed in the thread. I understand the frustration but you're comparing apples to oranges.

Considering your avatar, signature, and description all still criticize Herm after he's been gone this long.... yeah... forgive me if I don't take your post seriously...

See...that's just it. You're reaching because you've already decided that Haley had bad motives in the 2nd half and was intent on sending a message. That's your opinion. Besides, how in the hell is Haley "quitting" in any way if the offensive line doesn't do their job on every damn play he calls?

Dude...I have avatar and sig turned off on my preferences...so that stuff might as well not exist in my world. If that's your litmus for taking somebody seriously, whatever.

I'm alluding to Gailey and how he modified the offense to take advantage of what his players could do and didn't ask them to do things they didn't do well. Haley obviously didn't think this was the right approach to rebuilding and I agree.

I don't understand how he quit. Trying to establish the run in the third quarter when down by 3 scores is quitting?

Probably not quitting, but at a minimum it is trying to run the clock so the final score doesn't get more lopsided.

3rd quarter that was fine. You can still try to score with a balanced conventional offense to get back in the game, but down 20 in the 4th and they are STILL doing it and not running the hurry up is just wrong.

It was brutal to watch, as a fan. But damn if driving the point home works then do whatever it takes...Three games in is pretty early to evaluate progress, but, we are NOT going to the playoffs this year. Get this thing working so we have a shot next year, is how I'm feeling. Penalties and blocking schemes...show improvement!!!