There was a game this season where Peyton had the ball for 15 minutes for the entire game, and because of his greatness, the Colts still won. So I guess it's not asking too much for him to take the blame when he throws the game away. WTF is your fascination with guys who can't get it done when it counts the most?

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Actually, the Saints got 7 of their points on defense. So, Brees led his team to 24 points.

Fair enough. Point stands.

the truth is this game was pretty boring

the defenses were so embarrassingly bad, and weak, and poor tacklers...which is what the nfl wants


there were no big hits, no great sacks....


basically accurate QBs can complete 5-10 passes all night, which is again what the nfl wants

yes, Manning choked....but neither team showed any physicality...dink and dunk finesse is all you get anymore

So you would complain if the Chiefs dinked and dunked their way to a superbowl title?

Not sure I'd go that far.

The Saints held the mighty Manning and Company to 7 points in the last 3 quarters.

no....what does that have to do with my post?

they kept them out of the endzone, but really manning just choked...his passes were increasingly off the mark and not because he was under increased pressure....


it just lacked pop to me....several of the tds were because of insanely pussy tackling by multiple players....

seemed like either teams could complete 5-10 yard passes without fail....there were no deep bombs from either team....just not that exciting other than the onside kick and last 5 mins...

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I completely agree with the excitement factor. There were basically two big plays: the onside kick and the Manning INT.

But the Saints defense deserves some major props for keeping Indy off the scoreboard for over 3 quarters.

To be fair that was some awful route running by Wayne

Reggie Wayne also picked the best time to have about the worst game I think I've ever seen him play.

Absoleffenlutely!:thumb:

how about some props for brees?

The Peyton Manning Wheaties commercial that keeps airing on NFLN is ****ing priceless.

"Prepare to Win."

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I wish people would go back and watch the replay on that pick, that was something awful on Wayne's part.

The Colts as a whole played pretty piss poor, they couldn't get off the field, Wayne was brutal, Clark was his usual self and Addai played his best game of the year but that didn't make up for everyone else being poor.

JFC.

It's all ****ing excuses.

The QB that has been getting knob slobbed made a bad ****ing decision.

Everything else is just excuse making and whining.

You're as bad as Hootie.

Stop whining and grow a set.

Good God, you're channeling Hootie.

You need to chill the **** out.

No I don't.

I call out whining and dumbassery whenever I see it.

You are being a whining dumbass.

You care way to much about this Manning shit, really who gives a shit.

Just saw the overhead replay on NFLN.

Bad decision on Manning's part. Had the underneath crossing route (Collie) wide open.

Peyton Manning is still a great quarterback, despite that bad interception at the end of the game. Who knows, maybe Mecca is right and it was really Reggie Wayne's fault.

But "greatest of all time"? No.

The greatest quarterback of all time doesn't throw interceptions to lose Super Bowls, he throws touchdown passes to win them. That is why Joe Montana with his eleven touchdown passes and zero interceptions in four Super Bowls remains the greatest quarterback who ever played the game. If you're not great in the clutch, you can't be the greatest ever.

If you don't give a shit, then stop whining.

You know this is who I am.

What are you doing posting in a thread titled "Peyton Manning"?

Whoa Whoa Whoa, I didn't say Reggie Wayne caused the pick, I said he played a shitty game which he did.

If Hootie the Rapist wasn't a ****ing reerun about this I guarantee it wouldn't be brought up like this. But it made the day even sweeter when Manning threw that pick. He is a great QB who I wish the Chiefs could have but man he chokes in the biggest games. College and pro.

Once again, <del>Hootie proves that it's an egalitarian community of football intellect where no one knows more than anyone else.</del>

You're right. My bad.

Hootie,

I'd like to know how damaging that pick six was that Manning threw with 3 minutes left.

And as was mentioned earlier, surprisingly (not), Hootie is nowwhere to be seen here.

Funny that Hootie would be absent now, given how often he flips shit at people like Mecca for not being around after Chiefs victories.

In fairness, Hoot is probably running point man on an epic golden shower about now. Limited computer access.

Hootie is busy ok, it's hard playing with your roommates dick while you're drunk.

I'm curious how you know that.

He posted about it several times.

But if you'd like to somehow tie me to it, go for it since hey it's me and you love doing that.

Don't forget about raping Em Dawg or whatever that slut's name was.

You play the martyr so well.


PS not really.

That is what I am thinking as well. Manning didn't have a bad game sans the INT. Their D just couldn't stop Brees for basically 3 quarters of the game.

Almost as well as you play the 40 year old adolescent?

That's an ironic thing for you to say. I have a job and my own house, have had since I was 20. Let me know when you get there.

20?

LEADERSHIP.

It's how you perform when the game is on the line...

...So lets blame the rest of the team for Peytons key fault?

Bad decision..Bad throw..great choke job

Your MVP ladys and gentlemen

This...

Yeah..Lets blame Reggie for being well covered

Ive watched the replay several times and see nothing wrong with what Reggie did..he ran his route..Porter was just sitting there waiting to jump the ball..Not Reggie's fault Peyton tried to force a pass and failed

The two best offenses in the NFL combined for 41 points of offense. I thought the defenses played pretty damn well considering what they were up against.

Joe Montana: 16-7 playoff record.
Tom Brady: 14-4 playoff record.
Peyton Manning: 9-9 playoff record.

Manning is great, but the attempts by the press to try and anoint him "best ever" are a bit premature...

Manning played a perfect game for practically the whole game sans one terrible throw to the worst wide receiver on the field yesterday (Wayne)...

Two deciding moments of the game...(before the pick, of course)

Garcon 1st half drop that totally swung the momentum...and the onside kick (kudos to Payton for that)...

We all know it should have been a blowout...I had a bad feeling right after Garcon dropped that pass...

I knew I'd sign on and find a bunch of this shit so I will address it as I see fit...Peyton made so many unbelievable throws that game...it's too bad he unfairly has the choker label for everyone to point to every time the Colts lose...he made throws that game that no other QB in the NFL could make, period.

Drew Brees played great...

Both defenses were awful...but the Saints were clearly the better defense in that game...everyone knows it...

and Manning should have thrown to Collie rather than Wayne...but I do find it funny that everyone always bases Brady's lack of production early in his career on lack of quality offensive skill players around him...

Reggie Wayne was the worst WR on the field yesterday...terrible routes all day and the only time Manning ever got close to being picked was when he targeted Wayne...

P.S. It's funny to see Amnorix pop in on this thread...haven't seen him in a while...lol

And if anyone wants to argue about Peyton Manning playing a flawless game minus one throw...go ahead. Yeah it was the game ender...duh. Everyone knows that. It happens...but the Colts had no business being in that position (losing by 7 when they were clearly the superior team)...

lack of balls (like Payton showed) and ONE drop (Garcon) changed the whole game...if you want to ignore the Garcon drop when they were up 10-0 and clicking on all cylinders, go ahead.

and Manning made so many "wow" throws and reads the defense so amazingly well...

They lost the turnover battle 2-0 (if you count the onside kick)...pretty hard to win games like that...

I think the thing that really helped the Saints was the free timeout they got to stop Manning on that pick drive with that injury on the field...

Football truly can be a game of inches and that's exactly what that game was...

Both QB's played a great game...Manning threw one bad pass the entire game and it cost them dearly...but the fact he had to fight momentum all game long...it was a team loss. Plain and simple.

brees was better

Remember when it comes to people in the spotlight, they are judged by their lowest moments, not their greatest ones. Manning had to be perfect to win that game. He wasn't. And the pick could NOT have come at a more inopportune time. Passes like that DEFINE quarterbacks. Stats are good to get a general summary but there is NO WAY that pass is equal to, say a first and ten at the end of the first quarter. In the big situation he threw it away. That HAS to be considered. I'm not saying he isn't an amazing QB. But I'm saying this sort of thing does tarnish his chances of being known as a clutch QB.

manning shat his pants when the game was on the line...

brees looked like a ****ing stud when the game was on the line...

you're right, he was

but he wasn't until that pick...

Manning was literally pitching a perfect game...

wasn't meant to be

you know...that drive could have ended on downs rather than the pick 6 and everyone STILL would have called him a choker...

or they could have scored a TD there and the Saints could have won on a last second field goal and I'm sure people will still call him a choker...

Peyton always chokes, Brady never chokes.

I know, I know...we hear it every year.

well I'm never going to define greatness in the NFL by Super Bowl wins and losses...asking a QB to be 100% flawless in a Super Bowl is ridiculous...

if you guys really watched that game and want to peg that loss squarely on the shoulders of Peyton Manning then so be it...

brees completely dominated the stat line, came from behind early, sliced open the colts d like a bowie knife through a shar pei, was steel in the clutch, and oh yeah, won the game. i guess you can say he was better the whole game

what was montana's record in superbowls again?

Unfortunately...

The Colts were the better team and they lost. It always goes back to the Dungy tree to me...never creative, always conservative.

I was shocked when they went for it on 4th and 2...I will give Caldwell a little credit for that...

but the extra possession and the Garcon drop just swung the momentum and the Colts were trying to score that tying TD with 3:00+ on the clock so the Saints couldn't just get in field goal range and clock them right away...

Manning made a bad read at a bad time to a receiver who decided to take the night off for whatever reason...

scoreboard. box score.

you lose.

How did all these people see Waynes "terrible" route running? Was the coaches tape released?

Colston also dropped a big pass. I guess that took all the momentum away from the Saints... oh wait.

Brees wasn't better the whole game...

Not even close.

how many tough throws did Brees make that game?

Seriously.

Manning made 3 or 4 throws on 3rd down that were just unbelievable and throws only HE makes.

Look...

Both defenses were pretty bad...but I have no doubt in my mind that Peyton Manning was making the Saints defense look bad for the majority of the game while the Colts defense was just plain overmatched...I mean...they didn't even make it tough on Brees in the 2nd half.

He literally didn't have to make one tough pass that I can remember that game.

I think there was 1 sack in the game by Freeney...

You can deny it all you want but Manning made some throws that game that would have been LEGENDARY had they won...

I'm just going to keep pointing to it because I told everyone at the party I was at it was the turning point in the game...

The Garcon drop in the 1st half on 3rd down.

That let the Saints back in the game.

Yeah, sorry. Manning dropped significantly to me for this. He was able to overcome the exact same circumstances against Miami, but absolutely blew the game tonight. That pick 6 was the game, and that was on his shoulders and his shoulders alone. He made a terrible decision at the worst possible time. You just can't do that and be the greatest of all time.

no but I saw the replay a few times...

it's like he was hungover or something...

he was just bad and it looked like he didn't even want to be there

Colston had a huge wide open drop as well. you didnt see the saints turn into jean van de velde after that. one dropped pass in the 1st half does not change a game. lame. you lose.

So a replay of 1 route and all of a sudden he ran terrible routes the whole game?

Peyton Manning doesn't need Wayne!!! He can play with Garcon and Collie even if Wayne and Clark are double covered and having shitty games.


2 weeks later...


Wayne had a shitty game! Its all his fault! How can you expect Peyton to lead his team to victory with Wayne playing that bad?

I don't solely, but I do a lot. YOU CANNOT THROW THAT PICK!

I don't need to explain myself. Its crystal clear that by throwing that INT he threw away the game. That's all there is to it. And it was on him, the defender made a clean break on it. He just thought he could get it into the receiver quickly enough. He was wrong...period.

I don't want to be this harsh. To be honest I love watching him play and take over the game the way he does. I get excited over seeing a player understand the game to his level and use it. But this does not bode well for him being considered a great. He cannot be considered a clutch player when he makes mistakes like this. His record is tarnished because of one single play. It may not be fair, but it is what it is.

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Whatever.

Some people are so "little" picture on this website.

Drew Brees is the best now...next year whoever wins the Super Bowl will be the best...last year Roethlisberger was probably the best...

I don't know how anyone watched that game and thought Brees was the better QB...clearly he was not. Peyton made a bad throw and it was costly...but does anyone really think he was shitting his pants there? OMG...he was marching down the field at ease that drive...Vilma made a great play before the pick...he made a bad throw...Wayne didn't even run a freaking route...he should have thrown it to Collie...

Brady, Elway, Marino, Montana, Favre, etc. etc. etc.

have all had numerous games that were much worse than the game Peyton Manning just had...

Manning had a great game overall...but couldn't get it done at the end...the fact the Colts decided it was a good idea to let Stover kick a 51 yard field goal was another baffling decision to me...

The Colts did not do ONE thing to help themselves out that game...the Saints got all three of the pivotal "breaks" that win games featuring two teams that can't stop one another...

How were the Colts the better team?

I enjoy how Montana is brought up when he essentially played on the best assembled team in the last 30 years.

it was a game changer...

and I do remember the Colston drop...that gave the Colts momentum at the time...sure.

10-0...Manning had Garcon for 20+ yards and the Colts probably would have scored again...

No way the Saints battle back from 17...

and the extra possession to start the 2nd half...

13-10...

The Colts make it 17-13...

Imagine if they made it 17-6...

the fact the Colts were trailing by 7 in the 4th quarter after watching Manning play the way he played....was amazing to me...

He barely even touched the ball in the 2nd quarter...

if you want to say that Garcon drop didn't mean anything then you just don't know how NFL football games are decided...

always two or three little things

brees has been putting up league leading numbers for several years now. this isnt anything new

not blaming wayne

but we can throw out the whole "Tom Brady never had any weapons" argument...

Clearly Peyton turns anyone willing to listen into a superstar.

Garcon and Collie look every bit as good as Wayne ever has.

Also I'd hope Brees had awesome stats after the 1st quarter he routinely threw 3 yard passes in the "ball control keep the Colts off the field pass offense".

Simply put the Colts defense couldn't get off the field.

manning is better than him though right? superbowls wins and losses have nothing to do with it, right?