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milkman 10-28-2009 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6210552)
Regret getting rid of thigpen now???

Why would we?

We'd just have a short Cassel clone.

Chiefnj2 10-28-2009 08:27 AM

The moves made by Pioli, and those not made are real head scratchers.

Defense alone:
- Hiring Clancy to run a 34.
- Not addressing a pass rusher
- Not addressing NT
- Drafting Tyson Jackson at 3 and then using him as a 2 down lineman all year. A top 5 pick on a 2 down player? Yikes.
- Drafting Magee in the 3rd.
- Not being more active in free agency with the front 7.

milkman 10-28-2009 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6210592)
Cassel is a better qb, but thigpen can "make shicken salad out of chicken shit" better

No he can't.

Chan Gailey made chicken salad out chicken shit by going to the spraed, much the same as Josh Mcdaniel did in New England with Matt Cassel.

Neither Thigpen or Cassel have shown any talent to play out of a pro set, and Thigpen would be every bit as bad now playing in this offense as he was playing against Atlanta this year.

He was absolutely horrible in the preseason when Cassel was hurt trying to play in this offense.

He actually made us long for Cassel to return.

milkman 10-28-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6210652)
How many QB's have had good careers take off later in their careers?

Gannon, Steve Young, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback......

Life does not end at 27.

How many years did Ganno, Steve Young, Trent Green give to their respective teams as staters.

5-6 years?

Young, 7-8 years?

The problem with QBs whose career takes off later in thier careers is that they give you a short window before you have to go out and replace them.

Teams that consistently stay at or near the top of the heap have more stability at QB.

To get that kind of long term stability you have to either find it in the draft or find guys like Brett Favre or Matt Hasselback, guys with only one or two years in the league as backups.

Guys like Matt Cassel are better options for teams further along.

Building a team around a 27 year old career backup is a bad plan.

By the time this team is ready to compete, he'll be 30 and might allow this team to compete for 5-6 years, assuming that he is what Pioli thinks he is, and he doesn't have his confidenc destroyed or his body broken by then.

Bunit 10-28-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6211272)
English please?

Sorry Luv. How bout' aint nobody defending him. Better? :D

BossChief 10-28-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6214168)
How many years did Ganno, Steve Young, Trent Green give to their respective teams as staters.

5-6 years?

Young, 7-8 years?

The problem with QBs whose career takes off later in thier careers is that they give you a short window before you have to go out and replace them.

Teams that consistently stay at or near the top of the heap have more stability at QB.

To get that kind of long term stability you have to either find it in the draft or find guys like Brett Favre or Matt Hasselback, guys with only one or two years in the league as backups.

Guys like Matt Cassel are better options for teams further along.

Building a team around a 27 year old career backup is a bad plan.

By the time this team is ready to compete, he'll be 30 and might allow this team to compete for 5-6 years, assuming that he is what Pioli thinks he is, and he doesn't have his confidenc destroyed or his body broken by then.

I just hope we can get to see him reach potential. Nobody knows what that is.

BigChiefFan 10-28-2009 10:23 AM

I've always viewed Cassel as our transitional QB and I believe Pioli does, as well. Pioli is just getting started with the team and wanted somebody he's familiar with that would upgrade the position in the process, buying him some time to focus on other areas.

Some act like we can never draft a QB in the future, because we passed this year and nothing could be further from the truth.

We gave up a SECOND ROUND PICK for a starting QB.

We don't pay him big money for a starting QB.

I fail to see the problem with Pioli's game-plan. He's allowed us to get a player that should help us for the next few years and yet doesn't ruin our cap, so that we can't pursue another QB, if Cassel should faulter.

So many have forgotten, this is YEAR ONE of a complete overhaul of one of the worst teams in the league.

Rooster 10-28-2009 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6214433)
I just hope we can get to see him reach potential. Nobody knows what that is.

Actually there are about 5 clowns on here that know everything about everything.

jidar 10-28-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6210430)
I'm basically resided to the fact that Cassel is going to start here for atleast 3 or 4 years. Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up that move in the snap of a finger.

Haley will get fired before they move on a QB.

I agree that so far Cassel sucks but seriously what the **** is wrong with you?
How do you go from giving a QB half a season (which you should pretty much do every ****ing time) to we're stuck with him for 4 years? You just love negativity and misery apparently.

milkman 10-28-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6214441)
I've always viewed Cassel as our transitional QB and I believe Pioli does, as well. Pioli is just getting started with the team and wanted somebody he's familiar with that would upgrade the position in the process, buying him some time to focus on other areas.

Some act like we can never draft a QB in the future, because we passed this year and nothing could be further from the truth.

We gave up a SECOND ROUND PICK for a starting QB.

We don't pay him big money for a starting QB.

I fail to see the problem with Pioli's game-plan. He's allowed us to get a player that should help us for the next few years and yet doesn't ruin our cap, so that we can't pursue another QB, if Cassel should faulter.

So many have forgotten, this is YEAR ONE of a complete overhaul of one of the worst teams in the league.

I disagree.
I think Cassel is his franchise QB, and he's going to be given a minimum of two years to succeed or fail, and I feel like it may well be three years.
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Originally Posted by jidar (Post 6214453)
I agree that so far Cassel sucks but seriously what the **** is wrong with you?
How do you go from giving a QB half a season (which you should pretty much do every ****ing time) to we're stuck with him for 4 years? You just love negativity and misery apparently.

I think that mecca sees it much the same as I stated above, though it's apparent he believes that Cassel will be given four years of rope.

milkman 10-28-2009 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6214433)
I just hope we can get to see him reach potential. Nobody knows what that is.

You're right, no one really does.

I'm just hoping he can eventually get comfortable in a pro set.

That is very important to his development and growth.

jidar 10-28-2009 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6214461)
I disagree.
I think Cassel is his franchise QB, and he's going to be given a minimum of two years to succeed or fail, and I feel like it may well be three years.


I think that mecca sees it much the same as I stated above, though it's apparent he believes that Cassel will be given four years of rope.

Well I can't tell what you've based that opinion on. His contract is certainly built to let the Chiefs out easily if need be.

milkman 10-28-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar (Post 6214472)
Well I can't tell what you've based that opinion on. His contract is certainly built to let the Chiefs out easily if need be.

The contract lets them make a move after the second year, but part of the reason I see it as 3 years is that I just down really see any good QBs in the draft coming down the pipeline after the second year, due in large part to the uncapped year we're staring at.

LaChapelle 10-28-2009 10:47 AM

Who ever is back there this season is going to take a pounding. No place for Brodie or a rookie. Thigpen would have just stalled the offense from learning how to play in the NFL.

Cassel for a 2nd may just have been the best choice in hindsight.


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