So TT gets what they want, which is to get rid of Leach, for 1.6m instead of 12.5m and if Leach wants to recover any of that $ it will have to come from another school? Sound like TT wins hands-down in that scenario.

Yes, and now Leach's lawyers will sue to dispute that claim.

I seriously doubt they'll win.

We'll see.

But I highly doubt it.

The odd thing is that Tech's AD has wanted to get rid of Leach for a while, and there hasn't been a reason that actually involves football.

I seriously doubt you know what the hell you're talking about, but that's nothing new

He'll be cleared of any wrong doing by collecting his $1.6M buyout, and all of the surrounding talk (players, coaches, etc) will support his side of the story and throw the kid under the bus.

Any school will then be clear to hire him and he'll have his pick of available jobs. He might wait until a sufficently better job becomes available, which might not happen this offseason. Or he might jump to the NFL (OC, etc).

Those are the only reasons he won't be coaching D1 next season, IMO.

Is it because Leach is so damned funny looking, like Howdy Doody mated with Chuck Woolery?

You could have stopped right there

Leach's circus show in the NFL? Interesting. I'd like to see him pull his lock you in a room trick with the big boys.
Headline reads "NFL Assistant Coach Anally Impaled by Goal Post"

I also don't understand how he could have been that cramped in this shed:
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/photo-...nt-james-27498

You really think that is the issue?

I'd bet TT fans would wildly disagree with you at the moment. They'd much rather have Leach than the $12M. My guess is that the AD wins the battle in his view (as you described).

But if the boosters feel the same way as the fans seem to, the AD will end up losing his job over this whole thing. As the boosters will be needed to pay the next coaches salary. Of course, given that Sonny Dykes is in line for that job, and I'd bet he has a lot of boosters in his corner given his success and his name, that too might just work itself out.

How about disputing my claim, dipshit?

**** off, Dummy.

Oh yes, when I said TT I meant the administration not the fans. As to what the boosters want, I have no idea.

As I said, we'll see.

I think it's going to be difficult for this entire thing to be resolved in time for him to be hired AND it's going to be a difficult sell to a university president and boosters.

Having this deal splattered all over ESPN isn't going to help Leach's cause, either.

You could have stopped right there.

I guess it depends on how he adapts his coaching appraoch to "grown men".

They claim it was "with cause". That's for a judge to rule on or for them to negotiate.

So we are protesting this heavily.. and the administration is going to feel a wrath like no other. We (students, alumni) have pretty much said that ALL financial support is gone until Myers, and Bailey, and maybe even Hance resign. This is disgraceful.. can't even make Aggy jokes because we are the true tards of Texas.

You're still better than A&M. Those folks are weird.

The grown-ups know how to ride out kid's emotions. You will all be mad until they hire a new coach, or there is a big concert, or oh hey that's shiny.....
TT football will be alright; Leach wasn't going to stay forever anyway.

OK, what claim?

You think he won't coach D1 again within 2 years, I think he will....how in the hell shall I dispute that? Hell, he'll coach again next season if he wants to.

You don't think he's gonna get paid by TTech because he was fired with cause.....I think his lawyers will get him paid, but do either if us KNOW that at this point, NO.

You've made no claim other than he should have dismissed the kid from practice and essentially give in to what the little shit wanted. I don't think he did anything way out of line....the sun's hurting your eyes, well then I'll send you into a dark, quiet place so you're not in so much discomfort. Was it the smartest thing, no obviously not, but some of you are acting like he was under an armed guard or locked in a position where he couldn't move. That is clearly NOT the case.

You need to be more specific in your request for enlightenment and less prone to subjective linking and then jumping to erroneous conclusions.

Most of the alumni have already talked of withdrawing financial support.


If you want the pulse of what I have heard.

http://www.raiderpower.com

I bet that cameo in the show friday night lights had something to do with it. Leach was on an episode this season and all he said was "coach, find your inner pirate, find your inner pirate, swing your sword pirate!"

I said 18-24 months. If you think he's going to be hired in the next 30 days to coach a D-I team, you're wrong.

This contract dispute won't be settled by the courts quickly.

There is NO way he's paid his full contract value of $12 million. He'll be lucky to get one tenth that amount.

This is nonsense.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Let me guess: You're 70 years old? You think he should withhold water from the players, too?

Leach was out of line. WAY out of line. And he's an absolute moron if he thought there would be no repercussions from pulling a stunt like this.

We'll never know how much of his contract he gets because both parties will settle with a confidentiality clause.

Art Briles (formerly with Tech, and current Baylor HC) is rumored as replacement.

It'll get leaked.

Is TT a private school? If not and it's funded by the state of Texas, it'll be on their financial report.

I hope Briles goes to Tech and Leach goes to Baylor.

I said NEXT SEASON....no one said 30 days and I also never said he would get the full 12 million, but I would be willing to bet you it's a sight more than 1.2 million

As for the other stuff, we're going tohave to agree to disagree.
As for the "water" comment, I believe that putting someone who was photopobic in a quiet, darkened room would have a toward medical effect while withholding water from a player would have an adverse one.

Haha Me too. The last laugh would be on the boobs in Lubbock.

Leach won't get his 12M. 800K minimum, as I hear that there is some 10 business day clause that would mean his 800K is due before the firing can take place. 1.6M more likely because they won't be able to prove "with cause" on this story (maybe there's some other story or aspect we don't know about now). And if they do go for the $12M, he might get even more than 1.6M, though I'd guess exactly 1.6M in the end.

2010, right?

Are universities in the habit of hiring head coaches in August?

I'd say that he'll get somewhere around 10% of his total contract value plus the bowl earnings (which are not included in the $12 million dollar contract).

What are you hearing as to the reason(s) why TT wanted to get rid of Leach?

If Leach comes up with one neurologist that states that as part of treatment for a concussion, a player should avoid bright light, heat and excessive exercise, he'll be laughing alongside Mangino all the way to the bank.

Yes, 2010, ther are more than 30 days between now and August.

Not sure Leach's attorneys will let him play the "I'm qualified to administer medical treatment because I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express" role.

Alot of it seems to go back to the Contract re-negotiations in February. Alot of bad blood still left with how Gerald Myers handled the situation. There has been reports around the time of "twittergate" that there was a huge personalities clash between the AD, Leach, and the University President.

That sounds typical. Sorry your school had to get caught up in this mess. Is TT nation still pumped up about the Alamo bowl or has this put a downer on it?

Just another in a long line of scumbags making bones off of the abilities of others.

**** that worthless ****.

Some on Raiderpower said they aren't even going to make the trip. I heard that the atmosphere in Lubbock is like Hiroshima after the bomb was dropped. Kinda glad I'm not there.

so coaching has nothing to do with success in college football?

I don't believe that it's anything to do with the concussion persay, but if the kid said the light was hurting his eyes, then how could putting him in a quiet dark room NOT be helping to alleviate his discomfort?

Don't read the above as saying I neccessarily agree with what Leach did, but I don't think it's the "POW treatment" that some are making it out to be.

Considering Craig James history with SMU.. I have a real hard time believing anything his family says.

Dude, thats a little harsh.

I feel for ya though. Grab a beer, make the best of it. Join a female classmate for condolence sex.

They did Leach a favor. I highly doubt he would field a better team than that one that beat Texas (07 was it?), while at TT.

Being a former D1 athlete, it makes me sick that some pre-madonna, lazy, POS got a great HC fired.

The one who sucks the penis shouldn't question the health of the very people whose bodies he exploits to get his preposterously inflated paycheck.

That makes zero sense but I can see where Craig James is not going to win class president at TT this year. Any word yet on whether he is transferring?

Yeah, it makes perfect sense.......Craig is Daddy, Adam is the kid, Craig was one of the ones who helped to bring the death penalty to SMU. but I will be curious to see if he transfers as well.

1) prima

2)the coach got himself fired by making political enemies with men more powerful than himself then giving those same men a reason to drill him. Leach talked shit to the safety then hung himself out over the middle and paid the price.

Yes, thank you much.

The simple question is this: Why not just send the kid back to his dorm? Or to the campus hospital?

There are absolutely no excuses for putting a kid in an electrical shed/woodshed/whatever.

NONE.

I wasn't trying to be a wise ass, hell I've been neg-repped four times on this thread already for my views on this. I guess people get upset when you don't think their views are gospel.

Absolutely. I can't imagine him not transferring. I mean.. he would have a much better shot at SMU anyways. What kills me is it was Leach that wanted to bring him in. The rest of the staff wanted to pass on him.

For the record, I am certain that he wasn't "locked in the room". I'm sure he was ordered to stay in the room in the way that any player is ordered to run stairs or do pushups. They can say no if they feel that they have to.

And again, what they had him doing is far easier on you than running for 3 hours, or anything else that might be "ordered".

1981?

:D

I didn't think you were being anything other than helpful; my thanks were sincere.

Yeah, why not let the inmates run the asylum? That always works out.

There was a guard placed outside this room so he couldn't leave.

The bottom line is that he should have been excused from practice, especially if he was already considered a lazy-ass that didn't care.

This is what happens when football coaches, drunk on the power of a $2 million dollar contract, put themselves above their players.

You're an idiot.

If the kid was a malcontent, kick him off the team.

Don't lock him in a ****ing closet with a guard at the door.

JFC.

:shake:

Maybe some of these high-school glory-days guys can tell you how much authority a college football coach's word carries. How if he tells you to stay in that room without moving or leaving or you will be off this team then that is exactly what you do.

Because the kid (by numerous accounts of others) had a history of being a lazy ass at practice and essentially wanted nothing more than to not be at practice. He had already been cleared by medical to participate to some extent at practice.
He put the kid there to help aleviate his photophobia, yet NOT give the kid what he wanted.

We'll disagree

You claimed that you did participate in sports. Even at a lower level (high school football I believe you said) if a player cannot participate in practice are they not generally to be at practice anyway if opportunity presents?

It did on True Genius. Sometimes on Welcome back Kotter though that prick Woodman was always trying to ruin the fun.

If Leach would have kicked him off the team, the same thing would have happened. So, say Leach kicks Adam off the team and takes his scholarship away. Daddy Craig goes and complains to AD and leaks everything to his buddies at ESPN. ESPN runs with it. Tech's AD fires Leach "with cause" for mistreating an injured player.

Just 'splainin in case you thought I was.

There is no way the room was locked and no way that an grad asst coach trainer would keep this kid from walking out. He stayed becuse he wanted to keep his scholarship. But he could have walked away. He wasn't literally locked up.

Thanks, all good.

He wasn't locked in a closet. How many times does this need to be said?

This cat was in the bag a long time ago.

The bottom line is that he should have been kicked off or suspended from the team for his action prior to the concussion.

Sticking him in a closet is in no way, shape or form proper treatment of a concussion.

It depends on whether or not it's a season ending injury or a week to week injury.

Either way, Leach handled this situation very carelessly and IMO (and obviously the university's as well), very stupidly.

"Your honor these athletes are conditioned from the time they are young boys that a coach's word is law. By the time they get to college that belief is so deeply ingrained as to become a virtual physical law. They may not have been the kind of locks you can see your honor but the instant Coach Leach ordered that concussed, confused young man to stay in that shed there were locks on that door all the same.The kind of locks that can't be broken, can't be picked, the kind that can only be removed by the same coach who placed them there in the first place."

Oh, well that makes everything alright.

:rolleyes:

That's exactly my point. He wasn't locked up at all. He was following orders of his coach just like any other player would if he's told to run for 3 hours. And Leach's order seems to me to be a complete non-threat of an order. It's not like he made a kid with a concussion do the OK drill or even 100 sit ups. He told him to stand in the equipment locker (shaded and airconditioned, if I heard it right) and stay standing for 3 hours, just like the rest of the players who are practicing have to do. And he put someone there to watch him to make sure he didn't sit down or lean on anything.

It's nothing more than what just about every football coach demands of any player at any level. Only he gets an airconditioned, shaded room to do it in because he has a consussion.

There is nothing wrong with that story, IMO. NOthing. If that's what happened, Leach is completely in the clear. If something else happened, then we'll see what develops.

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Had they actually locked the kid in the room, it would make all the difference in the world.

I don't know that you understand how D1 scholarships work, a players cannot lose a scholarship "just because". If there are not documented circumstances of refusal to participate, illegal activity, or such as that it is fairly hard to terminate one.

Now they CAN be reduced rather easily, but that's a whole different animal.

There is definately a hazing element to this.