I didn't say that, I said I doubt Chambers wanted to play here when teams like Baltimore would have been interested.

But really I enjoy how JPB will defend all things Patriot even if they are the shakiest things imaginable.

This first year for Pioli is epic fail.

Can anyone really with a straight face say he's done a good job?

And hey if you're gonna go to that last thing then why have a forum since we don't matter right?

According to the won loss record and every meaningful statistic in the book. This team would have been no worse off if they had kept Herm Edwards.

Yet he wasn't among the leaders in drops. Look it up. The list for 2008 quits at six - so he had fewer than that.

Pioli's not "my man". He was the GM of my favorite team and I've been following him with interest because I'm curious to see how he'll fare now that he's on his own. I keep tabs on McDaniels and ex-players as well.

Also, Mecca has let the Sanchez thing color his analysis. Only the willfully blind can't see that.

I'd say Pioli has a responsibility to the fans to improve the overall quality of the organization.

To this point, he hasn't. It's been a complete and total failing on his part.

Pioli's first year has been disappointing ... mostly because the guys he did pick up haven't exactly looked stellar. Also because Haley has looked a bit immature.

Calling it a disaster is a bit harsh since i think they year was clearly an evaluation and transition period designed to give the front office a chance to regroup and not keep spinning their wheels.

What is really gonna hurt is if the lack of CBA prevents the active offseason now required for us.

I think when you have a top 3 draft pick and shell out 60 mill for a QB, you should get a bit more than we have.

Someone with a longer tenure on the board will have to say for sure, but I haven't seen a fan of another team argue as vehemently in defense of players and executives, of a team he ostensibly doesn't care for, as you have.

They completely revamped the defense by changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4, got rid of the team's best player, brought in a new coaching staff, brought in a new QB, cleared out malcontents, and made move after move over the course of the season, and had to deal with their best remaining wide receiver getting a 4 game suspension because he was stupid enough to fail a piss test.

Despite that, the team won more games than it did last season, and you call it an "epic fail". What's epic is your stupidity on this.

We can certainly disagree on the level of disappointment.

But our GM is supposed to the "the guy." He's the highest paid GM in the league. Given his credentials, he should get no grace period.

At this point, "progress" shouldn't even be arguable, but it is, unfortunately.

LOL he goes to hey they won more games, alright man.

Don't mention we have a head coach that is just as bad as Herm Edwards, the defense is no better and Matt Cassel is essentially a taller more well paid Tyler Thigpen.

Puppet the right 53 with the malcontent argument, and with all those moves that were made 2 guys are better than the guy they replaced and in some cases the guy who got replaced was better than the new guy.

Yes that is a great first season!

I concur with the thread starter. Problem is, the CP faithful are on auto-whine. We could have Peyton Manning and they'd still want to draft a QB.

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Could you please for once post something that doesn't make me think you have your head in your ass?

Just once that's all I'm asking.

The last time I checked, this was a forum for talking football, among other things. I'll defend players/coaches that I think are being attacked unfairly. Why should team affiliation make any difference in that?

Is this a serious post?

True...

I think the season was some what of a disaster, but do you think Clark or Scott give two shits about what I say?

When your best acquisition for a team that went 2-14 the year before is a kicker taken in the 7th round, you have failed epicly.

Haley is a better coach than Edwards.

The defense is better in some areas, although not all, and only idiots would have expected anything different.

Matt Cassel is a much better quarterback than Thigpen.

Far more than 2 of the players are better than those they've replaced.

So, other than getting just about everything wrong or acting as if the expected was somehow shocking when it occurred, you might have some semblance of a point.

Of course. But it's facetious to try to downplay the notion that Pioli isn't "your guy."

You often seem fairly invested.

Herm Edwards didn't give two shits what you had to say, but you kept saying it over and over and over and over and over.

This year has been painful for the fans ... no doubt.

but imo the Chiefs made the decision to limit what it did personnel wise because of all the transition taking place and because they wanted to evaluate the existing talent.

Changing GM
Changing Scouts
Changing Coaches
Changing schemes on both sides of the ball (dramatically on defense)
identifying and getting rid of cancer type players BEFORE you bring in new players to keep them from being negatively influenced.

seriously ... that's alot of crap do without rolling the dice on a bunch of new players.

this year sucked but imo it's too early to kick Pioli in the nuts about it.

Not goin to argue that... I agree with you....

But unless Clark comes out and says something about the season, then we are left to debate this over and over for the rest of the offseason...

Cause sadly, not one of us knows what Clark is thinking and if Clark considered the season a success or complete disaster...

That's just a silly comment. Are you a Mecca dupe or something?

You do realize everything here can be pretty easily argued the other way, Todd Haley is an abysmal gameday coach how is he any better?

Yep and now there are plenty saying the same thing about Haley and Pioli over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

So? Someone has taken my spot... Whats your point?

He seems extremely invested in everything Patriot, dare critiquing anything sets him off like it's a personal affront to him.

Not at all. Pioli, Haley and Cassel are the 3 most often attacked members of the Chiefs now that Johnson is gone. It makes since that I would defend them the most if I think the attacks are unfair.

So why are you suddenly bitching about it? It was apparently okay with you last year.

No, I realize that you can CLAIM everything can be argued the other way.

Todd Haley doesn't deserve to be attacked even though he carries himself like a 15 year old with a temper problem and makes the worst gameday calls imaginable...leave Todd alone.

Defend Todd Haley go for it, maybe he'll flip you off then call a fake punt.

You gots me? I was just talking about the season and wether it was a success or not?

ROFL

Sounds like alot of the posters here..

Haley's done some good things and some things that haven't been quite so good. That's the nature of coaching, particular when dealing with rookie coaches. The notion that Edwards was a better coach based upon Haley's one year of tenure in comparison to what Edwards failed to accomplish in Kansas City is laughable.

I think he deserves to be kicked squarely in the nuts, but he also deserves more time before we can proclaim him a success or failure.

At this point, all I'm saying is that all indications are leaning toward the latter.

Who knows...maybe he'll be ****ing nails this off-season? And we'll all be talking about "the process" it took to get to that point. Maybe...

My guess is that this won't transpire, mainly because I've been burned by a disconcertingly similar scenario in a different sport. But I'm definitely willing (and hopeful) to be wrong.

FIRE PIOLI RAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Herm Edwards was an awful coach that when fired no one thought we could be any worse, that point is arguable now because Haley has been no better.

You sure about this?

How many Chiefs games have you seen this year? And what percentage of each of these games have you watched closely?

Haley has been an absolute abomination on Sundays. It's not hyperbole when I say he's been the single worst game day coach that I've ever seen in KC.

Now, the question is whether he'll improve with experience and, most importantly, less on his plate.

Yea pretty sure, as are several other people here.

Todd Haley has been a brutal coach, but hey maybe he'll just wake up one day and not be a moron like some suggest.

Jesus dude, you hate of Haley, is reaching Reerun levels of Herm Hate....

It's not even hate, it's truth. The guy does stuff that people won't even do on video games.

Fair enough...


He will mostly likely get another year if not 3.... So next year is going to be very telling...

He has to get a OC and QB coach... Cant be debated. He has to have those...

Ok, I'm going to need you to explain something to me...

Pioli sucks and has been "epic fail"
Haley sucks and Herm was better
Cassel sucks and is just Thigpen getting paid more
Only 2 players have been better than those they replaced and some replacements are worse
The team's schedule was harder this year than last


How did the team manage to win more games AND have all of the above be true?

I don't hate him.

I do hate his inability to be a competent coach on Sundays.

What is sad? So did Herm and Herm was in the league as a HC for years already...

You do realize that the schedule is weaker, right?

And, let's throw out the ubiquitous, horse ****ing shit luck.

Understand. I spent the last 3 years feelign the exact same way!

I've watched all but 2 of the games, and he hasn't been anything near as bad as what you portray. And if you really think he's been a worse game day coach than Herm, you've just lost all credibility you might have had with me when it comes to evaluating such things.

Lets see the schedule is easier, the NFL has this thing where you know sometimes bad teams do win games.

You wanna know what's disconcerting? The Chiefs have played 3 games with San Diego and Denver and got absolutely ass raped in all 3...getting thoroughly beat down by your division is something you want I'm sure.

4/8/28

The Haley microcosm.

4th and 1. Flip a coin. Did you just drop my football you mother****er11111 WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING, MO11111111

ONSIDE11111

I think Haley will look a lot better once he is surrounded with a full offensive staff and a couple more weapons.

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JK

I know the thread has turned into another mecca/deez hissy fit over Haley....

But I just wanted to point out that Jimmy Claussen sucks balls. He is Chris Simms 2.0

Cassel >>>>>> Claussen

Last year:

137-118-1

Winning percentage of .5156

This year, to date:

117-108


Winning percentage of .52

Unless I made a mistake with the numbers, this season's opponent winning percentage is higher than last to this point.

Sweet Dick say, "sunshine/dog's ass".

You made a mistake with the numbers - the bolded part. 137 wins divided by games played - 256.

KC opponents have a combined record of 125-115 for a winning percentage of .520

Last year, opponents had a combined record of 137-118-1 for a .535 winning percentage.

Wait... your explanation for a worse team winning more games is "sometimes bad teams do win games"? That's what you're bringing to the table?

Pretty sad how low the franchise is... We cant even have meaningfull debates anymore...

Seems like everyone is arguing over who sucks the penis more...

You're absolutely right. What's worse is that I used a calculator. I must have input a wrong number after adding.

Interesting.... while I think the schedule's been harder this season, the record doesn't reflect that.

Yes, you made a mistake:

.535 > .520

Sorry, didn't mean to kick that horse.

I didn't look at the previous responses.

Ehhh... my screw up was certainly deserving of 2 smackdowns. I've got to do better. I've got to study more film, practice more with the computer calculator, show up earlier, whatever it takes.

If we expect to get to the superbowl with Matt Cassel we better get a lights out defense

Who cares if ND fans think Clausen isnt that great..he's only a junior who had little talent round him at ND plus he was playing with an injured toe

You were also pretty sure Sanchez was going to be the bees knees, even as a rookie, and that Reggie Bush was some kind of running back God.

Pioli and Haley haven't even had a whole year here yet and they are worse than Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards?

This shit is so beyond stupid it's hard to explain..........

How do you know what Mecca said or didn't say about Reggie Bush?

Jeez what is with you and this shit you ****stick?

Someone posted it up a while back. God damn you're one annoying dickface.

It's a fair question since your join date was in '09.

I didn't see anyone post Mecca's comments on Bush.

Yeah, the dude is a USC homer. But it's not like he's pimped every single prospect to come out of there, either.

Which one did he forget?:Poke:

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Dude, seriously... quit giving Mecca dome. It's kind of pathetic

LMAO.

Yeah, I rarely express my own opinions on this board and feel the need to piggyback someone else's train of thought.

Who hasn't he pimped from USC? I realize guys like John David Booty, or scrubs like that, but that hardly counts.

I remember him saying Dwayne Jarret would be the second best receiver behind Calvin Johnson in the draft class that had Bowe, Meachem, etc. in it. Said that speed didn't matter and that all he does is make plays. Kind of funny because if a guy from the Big 12 doesn't have blazing speed, Mecca pisses all over him in every draft thread. (See: Dez Bryant, Michael Crabtree)

I think there's been a hyper-focus because of all the Sanchez talk.

Jarret is a great counter-point, but, for the most part, USC has had some top prospects the last couple of years.

I completely disagree with the Mays over Berry talk, and this definitely feeds into your theory, though.

I'm not trying to stir shit here, I just was curious about your statement that he doesn't pimp every player to come out of USC. I really can't think of any examples, other than guys who really aren't prospects at all, that he hasn't pimped relentlessly on this board.

The Booty example stands out of course, and this was the basis of my initial comment, to be honest.

It could be that I'm wrong. My perception is that I'm not, but, who knows...

And, frankly, I don't really care. I just found it interesting that a poster who hadn't even joined yet was flipping shit about something that happened long in the past. Seemed strange, that's all.

Translation: I want to have Cassels love child...

Well, on the Bush thing, Mecca made some comments just a couple weeks ago when Bush actually scored a TD. Something like, "um, reggie bush is a bum according to people on CP ponder that" or something similar. I would guess that someone who wasn't here when the Bush draft talks could read into comments like that from Mecca.

A few plays later, Bush came up lame on a run and was out the rest of the game.

I like Todd Haley.

I like his passion, I like his fire, I like his demanding nature.

I hope he turns into one hell of a coach and leads this team to a SB or two, or more, and lasts for a long time.

However, his game day decisions are so pathetic it's laughable.

He has been absolutely horrible.

I don't know that this is refuting your point that mecca pimps every player coming out of USC, but he had I got into some serious debate about Mauluga's value in last year's draft.

I liked RM far more than mecca did.

In all reality only 28 million is guaranteed.