Not entirely true.

The year after Romeo left, the Patriots ranked 17th on defense. And that became the point in time when the Patriots started to pivot toward an offensive-heavy scheme. The identity of the Patriots of today is entirely different from the identity under Romeo. Under Romeo, the Pats ran an extremely conservative offense that depended on the defense to make big plays. They put Brady in positions to win and he delivered. The defense isn't even remotely as dependable. Now the Pats rely on Brady, not the defense, to carry the team.

I don't know what the main contributor was, but most Pats' fans will tell you that the Pats' defense over the last few years isn't remotely as good as the Pats' defense that won them their first Super Bowl.

How refreshing. People forget how good the Browns had gotten to be by 1994. They beat the Champion Cowboys in Dallas on the way to a 11-5 season and playoff win over Parcells Patriot. 1995 was a Modell caused disaster.
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And for some reason, that also seems to overlap with the aging and decline of the players who made those defenses so good. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, though.

Age and poor drafting.

But Pioli wasn't involved in the latter, luckily.

As was Bill Belichick but he sucks or so I heard

Yes. And Nolan's defense in San Francisco never looked good. Marvin Lewis' defense took a gazillion years to take shape in Cincy--their defenses of the past were almost as embarassingly bad as the 2004 Chiefs. Or how about Dick Lebeau? Horrendous head coach, but arguably the best DC in the game.

Romeo's a shitty head coach. The comment I hear from Browns fans is that he's too unemotional to be a head coach. But there are tons of great defensive coordinators who made lousy head coaches. I don't know where Romeo lies in that mix, but I'm at least willing to see it play out. This time last year, we were giving Nolan shit for not being able to build his own defense in San Francisco.

I really hope that this will mark the beginning of a turn-around. However, I've been waiting since we:

signed Joe Montana,
signed Steve Bono,
signed Grbac,
signed Chester McGlockton,
re-signed Dan Williams,
hired Dick Vermeil,
drafted Ryan Sims,
drafted DJ,
re-hired Gunther Cunningham,
and hired Pioli,

for a savior to come in and make a difference. I'm going to need to see a couple of seasons of real improvement before I get too excited about any hiring/signing/draft pick coming in and saving the franchise.

Exactly. From 2001-2004 you could always count on the Patriots defense. One of most underated of all time. The defense cost them titles in 2006 and 2007 when they allowed each Manning to drive 80 yards in the last 2 minutes
Fans of a crappy team like the Chiefs to be ragging on the possibility of The likes of Weis and Crennel coming to be coordinators astounds me. Its like some people aren't happy unless they are bitching.
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I'm in favor of Crennel and Weis as coordinators. Its certainly better than we have now. I really wish we could come up with our own formula for winning instead of copying everyone else.

They think bcause someone failed somewhere else, they are horrible. Would anyone really have wanted BB after his stint in Cleveland? Sometimes i dont know what the **** people are thinking. The ****ed up thing about it, that in football when you are negative, your going to be more right then wrong because only a few teams actually succeed and what 70 percent of the teams arent that good.

This a ****ing asinine point to make. Same thing is often said by Chiefs fans about Herm.

Dude was a poor HC for a number of different reasons, and his demeanor would be at the bottom of the list, if listed at all.

****ing bingo right there. Its not like this is anything new though.

It's obvious NE had a lot of the right pieces in place. I'd like to use this analogy, and think of building a team as trying to put a puzzle together. Its the same concept. You need all the right pieces that can properly go well together, and New England had that. They had a great coach that was a legendary DC like you were saying, of course that helps, absolutely. They had an established core of veterans, who were leaders, clutch players, and just gamers. Of course, that helps too. But most importantly, they had great team chemistry.

Now when he was the HC in Cleveland, I really don't think he had much to work with. And, you know, regardless, whether you're a good defensive coach or not, you need talent. bottomline. And Cleveland failed to address the talent on the defensive side of the ball. Not trying to make excuses for the guy, but he is only going to be as good as the talent around him. And I think that could be said for any coach. Kansas City is far from the environment he had in NE.

Crennel would be a good start. The team has so many holes as it is, and they need to take baby steps. Lets just concentrate on the baby steps first. There is room to add talent on defense which I think should be this teams number 1 priority in the offseason. I hope he is the kind of guy that could help assist in evaluating, and contribute towards selecting good defensive players. Thats what this team needs.

Are these sources making shit up? I mean Pioli keeps everything a secret.

I dont ever think he said it was at the top of the list. Its Cleveland for god sake. Their only hope of a championship in the forseable future is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Chances are if your going to a team like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, your going to more then likely fail.

We have very very limited talent on this freaking team. I dont give a shit what coach is here, we could have had Vince Lombardi himself this team would still be a 3-4 win team.

hopefully ... then we need an OC and a QB coach

also a new DLine coach would be preferable since nearly every Dlineman has under-achieved under krumrie.

i wonder if we can get Herm to come back and be our DBack's coach. :p

This team would still suck, overall, but a high-quality HC wins us at least 2 more games this season. People are under-estimating how bad Haley has been this season, often simply b/c he's not Herm.

But it's not like 5-11 is really worth bragging about.

5-11 is a good started. 4-12 is actually a good start.

Haley or no Haley the team has very little talent. We focus too much on coaching. what really matters is the players. bottomline.

Leach was dealing with a spoiled bitch of a kid.

I would have him coach my team any day.

And, most importantly, improved coaching would have obviated any discussion about whether or not there has been progress.

This off-season, I stated multiple times that we could win only 5 games in 2009 and be a VASTLY improved team.

Yes, there are a number of reasons. He was an offensive dipshit (see Quinn vs. Derek Anderson QB controversy). As a Head Coach, he was a lot less involved with pure defensive coaching (see Gregg Williams, Dick Lebeau, Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan). He didn't have the leadership qualities to be a good head coach (see Ron Rivera and Al Saunders, two terrific coordinators who nobody will hire to be a head coach)--and yes, that goes toward his demeanor.

A long line of really good defensive coordinators have made lousy head coaches. We don't have evidence that he'll be a good DC outside of Bellichick. I just don't understand why so many people are building a case that he'll be a bad one based on what he did in an entirely different role in Cleveland.

And you would probably say this team isn't imrpoved over last years and I would agree but I suppose the only category that matters is the Win column.

WHY does this team have little talent?

Could it be because the Executive of the Decade brought in over 45 new players this year, and all but 2 have sucked?

All the talent on this team comes from previous regimes.

Look at recent Patriots drafts and give me a reason why you think things will be any different in KC.

Well, this team, allegedly, has some legit talent.

1. A "franchise" QB, hand picked by the GM.
2. A RB who has been second only to Chris Johnson (once LJ essentially cut himself--thanks Haley/Pioli for playing the right guy from the start!).
3. A stud CB.
4. A very talented, yet inconsistent WR.
5. Two top-5 picks on the D line.
6. A "cornerstone" in Hali.
7. A legit LT (when he isn't playing at 300 ****ing lbs.--thanks, coach!).

If we had focused on improving the o-line and had half-way decent coaching on D, while utilizing our most talented players, we win at least 2 more games this year.

I'd say the coaching was a pretty big issue.

WPI is still reporting that we are going to get Cowher. . . of course.

But everyone said Pioli wasn't in charge of the draft it was Dmitroff and Belichek signed off on everything?

Yep. Dick Labeau is a perfect example. Great D-coordinator, got a job as head coach and sucked balls and then went back to D-coordinator and won a couple of Super Bowls.

On a side note I was doing a quick read about Belichick's stint in Cleveland. The funny part was he was the offensive coordinator for 3 years along with being a head coach. LMAO

i am not so sure we win many more games with another head coach. Talent wise we are that bad. This team is like a ****ing pick and pull with its players. We have other peoples parts they didnt want anymore, but sometimes you find a good part. lol

Tylerthigpen!1! jfc all you do is bitch and moan. you never post anything constructive

lol

For the people that don't like the choice of Crennel who is going to be available that would be your choice as DC?

This would be f'n PERFECT.

Hope to God it comes true, Pendergast might have some upside but right now he's a terrible coordinator for the 3-4.

There's a lot of Wade Phillips love around here.

Why things "could" be different?

The Pats took a big hit when they lost Dimitroff. The Chiefs brought in a Dimitroff disciple in Phil Emery. If the scouting network does their job well, Pioli does his job well. Based on the level of scouting activity, the Chiefs are going to have a lot more in-depth scouting than this franchise has ever seen.

The piece that scares me is that the coach needs to also be very good at evaluating his players and communicating to the GM what he thinks the team needs. I don't trust Haley for one second to do that.

Yep. Anyone that acts like Crennel would be a poor choice as defensive coordinator in our 3-4 system is just fighting desperately for their own biased agenda.

LMAO Why would they want him he has failed as a head coach at least twice?

From what I understand if you suck as head coach you will suck forever

Being a poor choice and not being the best choice are two different things.

Hell, people here thought Pendergast was a good hire because he was in the SB the year prior.

Wade Phillips is going nowhere. This Cowboy team has improved over the course of the year. The players absolutely love him.

He's not going anywhere.

I don't recall that many people excited about the Pendergast hire. Nobody was upset, but I don't recall a lot of people saying it was a particularly good hire.

He does if Don Pioli tells him to. :hmmm:

I don't know, I'm not one of those people. If we have a chance to get Crennel NOW then we don't need to be effing around waiting to find out Phillips' fate.

That 95 Browns team destroyed the Chiefs team that everybody thinks should have won the Super Bowl but the Cowboys would have beaten like a rag doll.

The Chiefs played the Cowboys that year IIRC and only lost because ****ing Bono fumbled the football somewhere shorter than the Cowboys 10 yard line and had it returned for a TD. It was like a 90 plus yard fumble return by some fatass D lineman.

That just completely changed the momentum...

That Thanksgiving Day game we got our ass kicked all day. Irvin made Carter and Hasty is bitches that day. Even if we got to the Super Bowl, the Boys would have throttled us.

Agreed. Crennel is probably the best candidate out there available that runs a 3-4.

Let's be honest though, all it will take is one bad season from the D to call for Crennel's head on CP. I can't hardly remember the last time CP liked KC's D Coordinator...Gun's first time around?
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Maybe, but it sure would have been nice to have made it to the damn Super Bowl.

He's the only candidate available - the season isn't over yet.

Which is why asking who we'd rather have is stupid - there's no telling who becomes available.

I used to have that game on tape.

It was never close. Ever. We were completely outclassed in every aspect.

If you rewatch it, you'll hear Bob Trumpy talk about how Marty thinks he has more depth than that Dallas team 1-53, even if the top end stars weren't the same.

Dallas went right down, Irvin burned Carter for a long TD, and the shitkicking was on.

The score was something like 24-12, but it may as well have been 42-12.

Fire Haley and hire Cowher if you really want to run the 3-4. He has done it at two places very well.

True but you can probably guess who the head coaches are going to be fired and usually the assistants are out the door as well. Of course there could be a surprise firing that could change things.

I think it was like 14-10 or something at the time. We were near the 5 yard line.

I'd argue it but I let go of my collection (every chiefs win since 93) about a year ago when I moved.

Hey........thats racist :#..................just kidding lol

GREAT news on what is otherwise a sad one in Chiefs kingdom.
It's the end of the regular season and I've had to watch three former Chiefs play well in meaningful games for OTHER teams.

Honestly, this could really help him grow as a head coach, at least that is my hope. Crennel probably realizes he will never be a HC again, so maybe he takes on the mentor role for Haley. Weis will try and murder Haley weekly in an attempt to become the interim head coach early on in the season... just his nature.

Might as well. What's the point keeping the head coach if you are going to bring in a new DC, OC, QB coach and there has been midseason change with the WR coach (and the team still sets the NFL record for dropped passes).