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JD10367 01-07-2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418318)
Also the Pats shitting the bed in the draft is why they still have a shitty RB and why their defense has faded, all of the young guys they drafted to come in and play suck ass aside from Mayo, who should be good any LB that went where he did should be that player.

Not quite true. The Pats have a mixture of young and old, but it just so happens that a lot of the youth is in the defensive backfield, and the front four aren't getting enough pressure on the QB so the DBs are getting exposed.

Don't get me wrong, the Pats drafts have been hit-or-miss, as I posted elsewhere. But they've hit on some late-rounders, and made some nice FA pickups. It's not just all about the draft. The question--yet to be answered--is whether or not Pioli can draft on his own. One draft does not make a great indicator.

JD10367 01-07-2010 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6417531)
Wha??

Parcells never won a playoff game w/o Belichick. Not one. Despite having the same guys almost everywhere else wherever he went, he never replicated that success.

And Belichick has never won a Super Bowl without Weis and Crennel. :shrug: You can play the "what if" game all you like.

BossChief 01-07-2010 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418339)
Kinda makes you want evidence before you just you know say hey they know what they're doing.

I think I got the just of this, but damn....

AustinChief 01-07-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418349)
Because the Steelers just got lucky.

It's not like they drafted Aaron Smith, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Casey Hampton, Keisel, Holmes, Ward, Timmons, Woodley, Mike Wallace, Ziggy Hood, or Ike Taylor.

:facepalm:

They were looking for a power back in that spot. They had their speed guy in Parker. They needed a replacement for Bettis. They got the best power back available at that point in the draft.

I still hold to my belief that they got a STEAL in Mendenhall at that point...

looking back, I may have underestimated Chris Johnson... but I also think he benifits enormously by having Vince Young as a running threat in the backfield...

That said.. Mendenhall is proving to be a far better back than McFadden or Jones. Personally, I'd rather have him over Rice, Stewart or Forte as well.

chiefzilla1501 01-07-2010 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418340)
BossChief, you're going to have to get over the myth that this team was anything more than an investment and a passing hobby for Lamar for the last 30 years of his life.

I think Lamar loved the Chiefs. If he didn't, he wouldn't have fought to keep a moderately profitable in Kansas City in Arrowhead, rather than ship them off to a major market. Which I'm sure he had millions of opportunities to do.

His flaw is and always will be that he, like Carl Peterson, let loyalty get in the way of business. He let Carl Peterson run the entire show for too long and to run pretty much unchecked.

talastan 01-07-2010 04:23 PM

Looks like we're waiting on Crennel. He's coaching the Shrine East-West game. Good chance to scout some college talent?

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1182

salame 01-08-2010 03:20 AM

The best thing about the weis hire is that he is going to install the exact same offense gailey installed that todd haley un-installed right before the season
lol

BossChief 01-08-2010 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6422722)
The best thing about the weis hire is that he is going to install the exact same offense gailey installed that todd haley un-installed right before the season
lol

All three offenses are a variation of the perkins erdhart system that they all run. Its just a matter of the variation of it they choose to play. I think Haley just didnt want to build an offense primarily around the shotgun.

The real difference in what Gailey was doing and what Charlie does is the shotgun, other than that the offense is very similar.

Hootie 01-08-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 6418485)
And Belichick has never won a Super Bowl without Weis and Crennel. :shrug: You can play the "what if" game all you like.

ROFL

That's true...

keg in kc 01-08-2010 05:19 AM

There's a pretty major difference between Gailey and Weis. Gailey likes his offenses to run the ball, and Weis likes them to throw it. Which is a lot closer to Haley's MO. The idea that Weis is going to install a system like Gailey did is probably 180 degrees from reality.

The Bad Guy 01-08-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6422770)
There's a pretty major difference between Gailey and Weis. Gailey likes his offenses to run the ball, and Weis likes them to throw it. Which is a lot closer to Haley's MO. The idea that Weis is going to install a system like Gailey did is probably 180 degrees from reality.

It is.

Gailey's offenses ran to set up the pass. Weis's offense pass to set up the run.

The Bad Guy 01-08-2010 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6419974)
I still hold to my belief that they got a STEAL in Mendenhall at that point...

looking back, I may have underestimated Chris Johnson... but I also think he benifits enormously by having Vince Young as a running threat in the backfield...

That said.. Mendenhall is proving to be a far better back than McFadden or Jones. Personally, I'd rather have him over Rice, Stewart or Forte as well.

You'd rather Mendenhall over Jonathan Stewart and Ray Rice?

That's just ****ing lunacy. Jonathan Stewart, if he was a full-time starter is an instant top 5 back in this league. The guy is a complete monster.

Mendenhall hasn't showed anything close to that.

AustinChief 01-08-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6422795)
You'd rather Mendenhall over Jonathan Stewart and Ray Rice?

That's just ****ing lunacy. Jonathan Stewart, if he was a full-time starter is an instant top 5 back in this league. The guy is a complete monster.

Mendenhall hasn't showed anything close to that.

I disagree. I think Mendenhall is the best ALL AROUND back of that bunch.. great hands , better blocker and a solid runner.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-08-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6419974)
I still hold to my belief that they got a STEAL in Mendenhall at that point...

looking back, I may have underestimated Chris Johnson... but I also think he benifits enormously by having Vince Young as a running threat in the backfield...

That said.. Mendenhall is proving to be a far better back than McFadden or Jones. Personally, I'd rather have him over Rice, Stewart or Forte as well.

I agree with you. I thought Mendenhall was the #1 back in the draft that year.

Titty Meat 01-08-2010 01:43 PM

Does anyone know if there will be a press confrence introducing Weis? I'll just throw this out there if there was and it's delayed wouldn't that be a good indication that the Chiefs will introduce Weis & Crennel?

Brock 01-08-2010 01:44 PM

I don't think they're going to get Crennel.

Sure-Oz 01-08-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6423886)
Does anyone know if there will be a press confrence introducing Weis? I'll just throw this out there if there was and it's delayed wouldn't that be a good indication that the Chiefs will introduce Weis & Crennel?

This isn't wrestling, like hulk hogan turning heel and forming with the nWo

Archie Bunker 01-08-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6423886)
Does anyone know if there will be a press confrence introducing Weis? I'll just throw this out there if there was and it's delayed wouldn't that be a good indication that the Chiefs will introduce Weis & Crennel?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2010/01...se_for_croyle/

WEIS SPEAKS
January 8th – 1:26 PM

The Chiefs will not hold an introductory press conference for new offensive coordinator Charlie Weis, but head coach Todd Haley did join Weis on a conference call with members of the media. Have a listen to what Haley and Weis had to say right here.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 6423902)
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2010/01...se_for_croyle/

WEIS SPEAKS
January 8th – 1:26 PM

The Chiefs will not hold an introductory press conference for new offensive coordinator Charlie Weis, but head coach Todd Haley did join Weis on a conference call with members of the media. Have a listen to what Haley and Weis had to say right here.

Why are they hiding him?

Chiefnj2 01-08-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6422794)
It is.

Gailey's offenses ran to set up the pass. Weis's offense pass to set up the run.

He ran the ball a lot with the Jets.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6423912)
He ran the ball a lot with the Jets.

These numbers from Gretz would lead you to believe he ran a lot more than he passed:

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Weis spent eight seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator. When you look at the overall numbers, they are not very impressive. On average, those eight teams finished 25th in offensive yards, 11th in rushing yards and 25th in passing yards.
If I have some free time this afternoon, I may dive a bit deeper into this.

kcxiv 01-08-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6422794)
It is.

Gailey's offenses ran to set up the pass. Weis's offense pass to set up the run.

Not in KC he didnt. We havent had any run game to set up a damned thing. Until Jamaal

BIG_DADDY 01-08-2010 02:16 PM

Cool

Sweet Dick Willy 01-10-2010 12:21 AM

I picture the "getting the( NE )band back together being somewhat like the Beatles reuniting but with Cassel assuming the role of Yoko Ono, and sitting in the corner with a tambourine and thrashing it wildly while "the lads" are trying to record, and she( Cassel )is all like:

"YAI-YAI-YAI-YAI-YAI"!!!!!!!

Titty Meat 01-10-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willy (Post 6429480)
I picture the "getting the( NE )band back together being somewhat like the Beatles reuniting but with Cassel assuming the role of Yoko Ono, and sitting in the corner with a tambourine and thrashing it wildly while "the lads" are trying to record, and she( Cassel )is all like:

"YAI-YAI-YAI-YAI-YAI"!!!!!!!

The band will be back together to play " I GOT MY GAME AWWWWWWN"

Sweet Dick Willy 01-10-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6429492)
The band will be back together to play " I GOT MY GAME AWWWWWWN"

ROFL:clap: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


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