Predicting shit seems to be 1/2 the post on the boards right now including the MUTHER ****ING WEATHER!

Every football discussion on this board is an exercise in futility.

While Albert and Richardson were far from perfect this past season, you know as well as anyone that the interior of the Chiefs offensive line was the real culprit in their failures to convert on third down and in short yardage situations.

Also, as much as I hope the Chiefs upgrade their center and right guard positions (with Asamoah, at least IMO, being an upgrade over Lilja), the Chiefs had the #1 rushing attack in the NFL and that line protected a mediocre QB with questionable decision making, yet threw for 27 TD's and 7 INT's.

Again, I hope the Chiefs upgrade the interior but they have far greater needs than offensive tackles.

I completely disagree.

It's one thing to discuss the weekly successes and failures of the offense, defense, special teams and coaching decisions, which are completely and undoubtedly unrelated to "predicting" who will line up on the offensive line, especially when there's no CBA, no Combine, no draft and no free agency.

However, you are posting in the draft forum.

And that has exactly "what?" to do with moving around existing players on the offensive line?

I've said it before - the numbers are skewed. Look at the stats on the teams we faced this season. Horrible defensive lines that weren't very good against the run or rushing the quarterback. The ones that were were the ones that gave us the most problems.

In addition, the Chiefs, ran the ball more times than any other team in 2010, were also 29th in pass attempts, but yet were middle of the pack in terms of sacks allowed (20th) and quarterback hits (15th). That's shitty pass protection, especially considering that they focused on getting the ball out of Cassel's hands much faster this season and were constantly throwing quick screens, dumpoffs, etc., as well as running the ball nearly 100 attempts more than they passed the ball (556 rushes versus 475 pass attempts). That's shitty pass protection, period.

The 2011 schedule will not be as forgiving or complimentary to our offensive tackles as the 2010 schedule was. (And none of our tackles were very good last season.)

You don't think the tackles need upgrading? Fine. Tell me what you think after a season that is going to include Jared Allen, Julius Peppers, Kyle VanDenBosch, Clay Matthews, James Harrison, Dwight Freeney, Ndamukong Suh, Elvis Dumervil, and co. (And that also includes four games against the Raiders and Chargers, who were tied for second in the leagues in sacks last season.)

It's going to be a night and day difference from what we saw in 2010 versus 2011.

I hope for your sake and everyone else's who thinks that there are more pressing needs than upgrading our offensive tackles, that Richardson and Albert are as good as you think that they are. They will certainly need to be to give the Chiefs a chance next season.

Is that what I said? No. What I said is that center is the most pressing need on the offensive line, followed by right guard and right tackle.

The right guard is currently on the roster in Asamoah. Waters has needed to be replaced since 2006 but for some reason (name only), he's appeared in two Pro Bowls since. I find it hard to believe that he'll be replaced in 2011.

Richardson continues to improve and if the Chiefs want an upgrade at the right tackle position, fine, draft a guy that will easily beat out Richardson and send him to the "swing" tackle position. I think the guy is better on the left side of the line, anyway.

All of that said, the Chiefs have pressing needs at WR, RB, OLB, ILB, NT and Center, along with depth everywhere, including QB, Safety and offensive line.

I seriously doubt they'll look to upgrade the left tackle position, regardless of your constant and never ending concern at that position.

No, you're imbuing it with insight for the purpose of a fruitless argument. Media guides/bios are filled with useless shit.

If we were only talking about moving existing players around you might have a point, but since we weren't you don't.

Because god knows a former college guard never played center for the Kansas City Chiefs in the last 3 years.

What?

Are you functionally reeruned or do you just appear that way on the internet?

god should also know that guy sucked
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Right, but he did play some at Center too in college. My bad on that one.

Anyways, we are going to see either Asamoah or Waters get a shot at C if we like it or not.

JFC, you're possibly the dumbest mother****er I've seen post on the 'Planet in at least 9 months.

Yeah, I heard that to when I said Lilja would step right in and about our starting RG when he was signed last year.

I heard

"He's too small to be a RG"

"He was just signed for depth"

"No way in hell does he start at RG after coming back from an injury"

"He played LG his entire career, no way he get's moved to RG"

I'll dig for the thread later.

It's common sense.

Waters went to a pro bowl if he deserved it or not and all we heard all year is how the Colts ****ed up by not re-signing Lilja based on the way he was playing. Those guys are going to stay or 1 MAY get traded if the right deal was offered which I doubt.

You also don't sit your OG that you drafted at the top of the 3rd round for 2 years.

If all 3 are here, all 3 will be in the starting lineup one way or another.

The O Line way down the line on problems with this team and I wouldn't be suprised to see those 3 with the same 2 tackles from last year penciled in as the starting line in OTAs.

I'm projecting Albert, Asamoah, Waters, Lilja, Richardson.

Sorry guys.

Chiefs need a new center.

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And for the most part, those responses were correct.

Asamoah should have been the starting right guard in 2010, simply because he was ready and has far more potential than Lilja.

Probably, but you don't pay a guy a few million for year to be a backup guard. Especially one that played well on a SB team.

I think you see Lilja and Asamoah at guard because they can man those positions for several years to come, even more so the case with Asamoah. I think if you can't get a 4th for Waters they try him at center because Asomoah needs to get started at the position he will be playing long term and Waters has always been a team first type of guy and is at the end of his career so as long as he is getting paid why not. He might actually extend his career with the move.

Since are spending is already so low I doubt his hefty salary really matters even under a new CBA.

Lilja was signed before Asamoah was selected in the draft. Furthermore, Lilja wasn't paid a signing bonus.

I don't think they regret the signing or contract at all. Like I said, I fully expect those two to be the starting guards next year with Lilja going back to the left side. Waters is the wild card to me. He either gets a shot at center, is traded, retires, released, or whatever.

Waters is already getting pushed around by DTs and DEs.

Moving him to center at this point in his career is a horrible idea.

NTs will abuse him.

Where do you get this shit? What makes you think the Chiefs CONSTANTLY ran quick screens?

That and I really don't think that screens to McCluster would signify play calling to mask any o-line deficiencies. As the plan is to put him in position to make plays, same could be said for Charles. That said, they didn't run a whole hell of a lot of screens.

You say that moving Asamoah to C would be wasting his abilities to play guard. I think BigCats point is that his talents would be even more wasted while sitting on the bench for another year. Not to mention experience lost. Just b/c he plays Center this year doesn't mean they couldn't slide him out later when Waters is gone/retires.

That said, if they want Asamoah in, they will have to put him at center, or move one of our two starting guards. Whether that be by cut/retirement/trade who knows, otherwise, if nobody moves, he sits.

Not advocating the idea, just speculating.

Awesome.

You just wasted 20 seconds of my life with your nonsense.

Yay me! Idiot.

Yet he continues to be ranked as the #1 OT on just about everyone's draft board. I still need to look at more film though...

He probably will be the #1 tackle off the board. Super high ceiling, terribly low floor, and I think he's got a really good chance of hitting that floor.

I honestly think he has the work ethic but is going to need a lot of solid coaching at the next level... he definitely isn't close to being as polished as I'd like. The more I think about it, the more I think he'll be fine UNLESS we draft him...