Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6570091)

TI created a non-political prayer thread, said some nice things about a guy I respect, told some humorous but non-political anecdotes, and turned the other cheek when naysayers came out from under their rocks. I think I defended my position pretty well, even if you don't.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6570389)

There are plenty of us who follow politics and have opinions on political issues. You guys did this to yourselves. But in typical political fashion, it'll be spun onto all us idiots in the main forum.

It doesn't mean I don't like politics or follow politics, but sitting here watching the same group of people argue along the same party lines over and over became repetitive and pointless. The only thing it accomplished was make people angry at each other.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6570511)

While I tend to agree with your assessment of DC, I also think that it's perfectly reasonable for people to choose to participate in those discussions. And it's perfectly reasonable for others to ask to keep that fuss to a separate forum.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6570494)

I don't have a "the prefix tells me where to post" standard. In fact, there can't be a "prefix tells me where to post" standard since anyone could rationalize literally any thread in DC under several literally any post in DC using just a couple of the prefixes in the Lounge.

"News"
"Life"
"Science"
"Money"
"Prayer"
"Weather"

Not to mention the way too easy... "Misc" and "Poop"

Just because you can find a way to rationalize that something is (some Lounge prefix) doesn't mean it's not political.

The standard should be "if it's about public policy, hot button political topics, political news, politicians, religion or religious news" then it should stay in DC.

I'd say that the lone exception (policed by the judgement of the mods) should be major national or local KC news stories. That's a judgement call of the Mods but it's rare.

Dick Cheney going into the hospital for the Nth time isn't a major news story. Neither is Obama getting a clean bill of health.
Praying for Obama to quit smoking or Cheney to get healthy or Biden to shut his mouth aren't exceptions either.

Bush or Cheney or Gore or Clinton or Obama or Biden dying would probably qualify as an exception.
Kerry or McCain or even Palin would be a close call but I'd lean toward major national news.
Emanuel Cleaver dying would definitely qualify as an exception (because it's a major KC story).
Stephanie Tubbs Jones dying wouldn't.

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6570474)

Besides managing my fantasy sports teams, I sometimes read big books with lots of words and no pictures. I also get the paper every morning and I don't even read the comics. Except for Sundays, of course. On Sunday mornings I read the comics and eat pancakes and never watch Meet the Press. I love Sunday morning.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6570506)

You tried to hide a political image rehabilitation thread behind a sympathy inviting prayer thread.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6570668)

You're all over the map on this. First you've got a "prefix tells me where to post" standard that makes it impossible to make the mistakes that you were apparently prone to make (wink wink) and now you don't have a "prefix tells me where to post" because the prefixes don't give enough guidance. Pick a position and stick with it.

Needless to say, I don't find any of your various evolving standards compelling. I know I've never posted a political thread in the Lounge, "accidentally" or otherwise, whether there were prefixes or not. But I can remember you arguing that a thread you posted was news when people like Frazod were trying to say you were violating this rule. I remember that because I stuck up for you at the time and because that's when I first pointed out that the same thread posted by a poster like Rain Man or FAX would have been allowed. In addition to being a mess, you're a hypocrite just like when you were a hypocrite after you created the 2004 election mess and then joined the pro-banishment side in the aftermath. I come to the reluctant conclusion that this board would have been a lot better off if we'd have just banned you instead of splitting the forum.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6570729)

You guys are STILL talking about this?

There are always gray areas. Pat's Cheney thread was one of them. The typical response for those is to let them ride for a while, then move them over when they start getting out of hand. That's basically the same way that "media center" or "pictures" threads are handled. They live in the Lounge for a while, but eventually get moved over when appropriate. That practice predates me by a long time.

I guess I don't really understand what the debate is about.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6570725)

You are either delusional or a liar. You invent this "'prefix tells me where to post' standard" claim, ascribe it to me and then when I tell you I reject it and explain how it's nonsensical, you claim I'm all over the map.

The worst of DC-patteeu right here in the Lounge. Sweet.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6570729)

You guys are STILL talking about this?

There are always gray areas. Pat's Cheney thread was one of them. The typical response for those is to let them ride for a while, then move them over when they start getting out of hand. That's basically the same way that "media center" or "pictures" threads are handled. They live in the Lounge for a while, but eventually get moved over when appropriate. That practice predates me by a long time.

I guess I don't really understand what the debate is about.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6570725)

You are either delusional or a liar. You invent this "'prefix tells me where to post' standard" claim, ascribe it to me and then when I tell you I reject it and explain how it's nonsensical, you claim I'm all over the map.

The worst of DC-patteeu right here in the Lounge. Sweet.

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6570752)

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It's because frazod has mod envy. He really wants the superpower to be able to ban everyone on CP so he can be the only one to start a thread and then post in it. He talks to himself all day long anyway so he would love to be able to do it here.

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6570752)

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It's because frazod has mod envy. He really wants the superpower to be able to ban everyone on CP so he can be the only one to start a thread and then post in it. He talks to himself all day long anyway so he would love to be able to do it here.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6570754)

One of the worst things about you is your hair trigger for calling people liars. It's a serious character flaw, IMO.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6570729)

You guys are STILL talking about this?

There are always gray areas. Pat's Cheney thread was one of them. The typical response for those is to let them ride for a while, then move them over when they start getting out of hand. That's basically the same way that "media center" or "pictures" threads are handled. They live in the Lounge for a while, but eventually get moved over when appropriate. That practice predates me by a long time.

I guess I don't really understand what the debate is about.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6570780)

I don't have any problems with frazod, but I must admit that the above seems to be as least somewhat accurate.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6570771)

You still offering a free gallon of jiz with the purchase of every I HATE FRAZOD t-shirt? :D

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6570804)

Fraz, I hate to admit this, but that free gallon of pig jiz was just too good of a deal to pass up. He even threw in a handy carrying case. Well, he called it a carrying case anyway. I thought it looked like a regular old plastic bag but still, it was free!

I'll probably never even wear the shirt except maybe when I'm doing yard work or washing the car. I hope you don't mind.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6570799)

Why would I want the aggravation? Besides, I really don't have much trouble getting things done around here. Especially when patteeu is being so helpful.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6570754)

One of the worst things about you is your hair trigger for calling people liars. It's a serious character flaw, IMO.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6570905)

Are you suggesting that you wouldn't like the power of being a mod?

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6570932)

I don't think any of them enjoy it. And as much as I'd like to torment the shitbags I hate and then eventually ban them once I got bored with it, I realize that no moderator could do that and remain a moderator for very long. It's kind of like not being able to go around shooting assholes just because I have a gun. With power comes responsibility.

Besides, I derive plenty of enjoyment from just driving them insane.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6570729)

You guys are STILL talking about this?

There are always gray areas. Pat's Cheney thread was one of them. The typical response for those is to let them ride for a while, then move them over when they start getting out of hand. That's basically the same way that "media center" or "pictures" threads are handled. They live in the Lounge for a while, but eventually get moved over when appropriate. That practice predates me by a long time.

I guess I don't really understand what the debate is about.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6571081)

It is a judgement call. I might disagree with a Mod's judgement in a given case, but it's your call not mine.

But I think Frazod's poll was a question of changing the protocol to stop the relatively recent trend of posters who know better but have chosen to move their religious or politics topics out into the Lounge.

Since there really isn't any reason for a DC regular to accidentally post a political thread in the Lounge, any thread that shows up in the Lounge is deliberately there.

In some cases it might be a noob who made a mistake. In some cases, it's a major news story that is a rightful exception.

But in the last few cases, it's clearly a deliberate effort by a few to broaden the visibility of their political or religious topic. It's deliberate choices like that that IMO could be subject to extra punishment at the discretion of the Mod.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6571285)

What about hunting threads? Some Planeteers are vegetarians and aren't exactly keen on the whole idea of murdering a poor, defenseless elk in cold blood.

Not that I have a problem with it. Personally, I love killing elks. The more elks I kill, the better I feel. The way I see it, the only good elk is a dead elk. Elks need to keep away from my ass.

But, I think there might be some people who would be offended by hunting threads and the murderous bastards who post them. Peanut butter lovers, and all like that.

FAX

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571279)

Is there currently a rule that says you cannot post political or religious threads here? As I asked before, I thought during the off season everything was open until the draft, then after the draft until camps started setting up.

Not everyone has a hard on for religion like frazod seems to have. He can hate it here just as much as he can hate it there.

I find it shameful that Christians get more disrespect on this bulletin board than most I've seen. It's almost like if you are an NFL fan you are not supposed to be religious because the games are mostly on Sunday.

My point is that if you don't like religious type threads just stay out of them! That would be a very easy fix.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6571312)

That's an easy one Mr. FAX, those of us who own firearms and love to hunt, just hunt them down, shoot them a few times and kick a little dirt on them.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571279)

Is there currently a rule that says you cannot post political or religious threads here? As I asked before, I thought during the off season everything was open until the draft, then after the draft until camps started setting up.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6571345)

And my point is that we have an entire forum set up for you and your pals to whine about communism and brown people and abortion and how everybody who doesn't think exactly like you is going to hell, so why not post it there?

Nice name change, BTW. But if you're trying to revitalize your image, it isn't working.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6571375)

There's never been an "offseason mode" around here. Poop threads are as welcome in the Lounge during the season as they are in the offseason. Conversely, political threads are as unwelcome in the Lounge during the offseason as they are during the season.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571386)

Are there rules that state political and religious cannot be posted here?

Your attempt to call me a racist fails badly. Abortion is something that everyone has an opinion on. I've never said, in my life, that if you don't believe the way I do you are going to hell. If you are going to hell it's totally your life choices and nothing posted by anyone here or in the other forum has an impact on that.

If you feel I need to have an image change you should probably post that in the other forum, it doesn't belong here.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6571414)

BTW, I won't mind at all if you're inclined to lock this thread if you've grown weary of it. Seems like it's pretty much run its course at this point.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6571429)

Eh, I could just ignore it if I wanted to. I'm not generally a fan of locking threads. Though I kind of agree that this one fails to entertain.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6571426)

Nice button. I assume you have a lot of them. LMAO

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6571375)

There's never been an "offseason mode" around here. Poop threads are as welcome in the Lounge during the season as they are in the offseason. Conversely, political threads are as unwelcome in the Lounge during the offseason as they are during the season.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571459)

I imported them specifically for you.

Virtually every one of them match your persona.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6571479)

As always, I'm thrilled that you disapprove. :thumb:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571511)

I don't disapprove. I couldn't have less respect for people like you. To waste my time disapproving of them is a waste of my time.

If you are going for disapproval you may have just failed.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571511)

I don't disapprove. I couldn't have less respect for people like you. To waste my time disapproving of them is a waste of my time.

If you are going for disapproval you may have just failed.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6571592)

How much "time" did it take you to post this?

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6570919)

I'd say lying and claiming that I established any prefix "standard" is a rather obvious character flaw. Being delusional is merely a personal failure beyond your control.

I'm betting you are lying, but who knows.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6571081)

It is a judgement call. I might disagree with a Mod's judgement in a given case, but it's your call not mine.

But I think Frazod's poll was a question of changing the protocol to stop the relatively recent trend of posters who know better but have chosen to move their religious or politics topics out into the Lounge.

Since there really isn't any reason for a DC regular to accidentally post a political thread in the Lounge, any thread that shows up in the Lounge is deliberately there.

In some cases it might be a noob who made a mistake. In some cases, it's a major news story that is a rightful exception.

But in the last few cases, it's clearly a deliberate effort by a few to broaden the visibility of their political or religious topic. It's deliberate choices like that that IMO could be subject to extra punishment at the discretion of the Mod.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6571414)

BTW, I won't mind at all if you're inclined to lock this thread if you've grown weary of it. Seems like it's pretty much run its course at this point.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6571544)

Hey Daface I just wanted to let you know I will be starting a Happy Birthday thread for Obama in a few months. This thread will be news and is not intended to be political, but if people like patteeu and his ilk can't behave themselves and moderators think it deserves more reverent treatment, I won't have any problem with them moving it to the DC sanctuary.

Just thought I would give you a heads up. ;)

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6572041)

Could someone list these "other cases" and this "recent trend" that you're talking about? I haven't noticed any significant difference lately.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6572184)

Aside from Donger's recent display I was referring to GoChiefs and his ungoldly woman/rape thread.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6572050)

Good Lord. Frazod's inner nazi mod is coming out again. Since when do we lock threads around here just because some people might have grown weary of them? Are you familiar with Luv's "I have a date" thread? You'd be a horrible moderator.

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 6572184)

Aside from Donger's recent display I was referring to GoChiefs and his ungoldly woman/rape thread.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6572268)

Doesn't matter to me. I thought he might be getting tired of it. But if you want to continue to cry, I'll happily to continue to mock you, while the vote against you continues to hover around a 70/30 split. Works for me. :thumb:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6572272)

Bootlegged has been testing the waters as well.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6572318)

Vote against me? I didn't even take a position. :shrug:

If I had, I'd have been in agreement with those who said that blatant and repeated disregard for the rules of the board ought to continue to be a bannable offense just like it's always been. I can't tell from your poorly designed poll whether that puts me in the majority or the minority.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6572332)

LMAO Please, keep posting. You are a shining beacon of all that sucks about DC.

As for Bootlegged's thread, it was the one about NBC menu with all the racial overtones. It's in DC now. Find it yourself.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6572342)

Race-related threads are not banned from the Lounge. If they were, the "I literally got goosebumps and started shaking" thread would have been sent packing. It's what happens after racemongers like yourself start pissing yourselves and bleeding all over otherwise unobjectionable threads like Bootlegged's menu thread that they get too political for the faint-of-heart.

That was a great example of the way who the poster was had more to do with what happened to that thread than what it was about.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6572413)

I swear is there a bigger whiner on this board than patteeu?

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6572424)

dirk must think I'm the stepfather who stole his mother's affections away from him.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6572420)

fraz

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6572424)

dirk must think I'm the stepfather who stole his mother's affections away from him.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6572420)

fraz

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6572462)

Cmon patty you have anything else to whine about? Is my mom not putting out as much as you like? Is she not cooking the eggs the way you want them?

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6572444)

I'm so happy that you disapprove. :thumb:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6572475)

disaprove...?

no no no..it's quite the accomplishment...you should be proud.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6572474)

I'm sure your mother is a lovely woman, but I swear I'm not the guy who took her from you. If she'll make me eggs, I might stop by for breakfast someday though.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6572491)

She is a good cook

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6572513)

Hmmm. I didn't realize that the "goosebumps" thread was race-related. I haven't opened it for a long time, though, so I don't really know. Maybe it took a turn I didn't see.

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6572591)

You guys might think this sounds crazy, but I'm starting to believe that there are some board members who just like to argue, and don't really much care what the subject matter is. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I could start a thread about, say, the history of the potato, and if the right planeteers got involved there would eventually be a fight. Sure, most people would agree that the potato isn't the most controversial tuber - that honor would have to go to the yucca - but I have no doubt that a bone of contention would eventually be found, leading to acrimony and hilarity.

Of course, there are some who might disagree with me.