I made it to page 6 so excuse me if it's already been mentioned.

I remember reading here that W. Smith didn't get resigned cause he didn't want to be here?

We will agree to disagree then. Wade Smith is a career backup albeit he is very versatile.

As I said earlier in this thread the Colts wanted to go bigger on the OL.

Impossible. Wade Smith is irreplaceable11111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!UNOEINJUAN1111111111111!!!!!!!!

I don't think I'd want a small OL either, the Colts tried that and it lead to them not being able to run the ball...

Worked for Denver many more years than it didn't work for Indy.

This off season is alot like last off season.

Depends who you have to face...

Like having Casey Weigman at center in our division is a detriment because of all the 3-4 teams that have nose tackles he can't handle.

Average weight = 308.2

Take it for what it is worth

To the tugboat!!!

It's fun to act like Mr. Biswas to the Tulsi true fans.
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Whatever it takes to get Rudy Niswanger off the ****ing field.

I think you're greatly underestimating his ability, especially when it was clear to even the most uniformed fans that the play of the line in both 2008 and 2009 improved significantly when he was on the field.

You seem to underestimate the value of a guy who can play 3 positions and play them well.

Eh, I like what the Chiefs have done in this offseason much better than last season.

Chambers proved he could still play at an average to above average level, so I liked his re-sigining. I think that TJ can most certainly help the Chiefs this season, espeically given that Charles has had issues staying healthy week to week in the past.

I'm not real high on the Lilja signing because obviously, I thought that Wade Smith was a better option.

As long as Lilja's signing doesn't interfere with the development of Colin Brown, I'll be okay with it. But if it's like last year, where Goff was clearly the worst lineman on the team yet continued to play when healthy, it won't sit well with me.

At all.

I like this signing, but that doesnt mean it was ok to let Wade leave.

Where did the talk of Lilja failing a physical come from? Is there a link I missed somewhere? I have taken time to read through three threads on three different colts boards and havent read that rumor anywhere but here.

They are pretty universal that Lilja was their second best linemen and was let go because they are switching blocking schemes to one that requires bigger blockers now that Howard Mudd is officially retired for good.

Sounds like speculation more than anything. I like the signing.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...ilter_teams=KC

Speculation? Dude, did you even READ what you linked us to?

The Chiefs needed a right guard after releasing an ineffective Mike Goff and losing Wade Smith to the Texans. Lilja is a major health risk after reportedly failing a physical with the Colts, but he's a solid addition at a position of need if his knees respond to an offseason of rest.

I haven't had the time to look, but how many games did Ryan Lilja miss in 2009?
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I like the Thomas Jones signing and Shaun Smith signing however like last year none of these guys will be solid starters. It's obvious this team wants to find it's starters in the draft which is good but I don't trust Pioli to make great draft picks.

Yes I read it. Maybe speculation was the wrong term, but it doesn't say that he for sure failed a physical. Nothing concrete. I am sure most NFL lineman have poor health or are always sore or have bad knees- most wear knee braces anyways.

0 after missing all of 2008

Reportedly?

Quote:

Craig Domann, Lilja’s agent, said the release was not necessarily financially-driven. The team paid Lilja a $1.7 million roster bonus he was due, then terminated his contract. Lilja was due to earn a base salary of $3.055 million in 2010. "They said they want to go bigger, and they let him go,’’ Domann said. "Ryan was disappointed, but I know he’ll land on his feet.’’

You're exaggerating.

It's been reported by more than one source that he failed a physical. NFL teams weren't exactly lining up to sign the guy.

I think it's 50/50 that he even makes it through Haley's training camp.

Uh, yeah.

But I'm sure you always trust the word of an agent, right?

:evil:

Wait you expect an agent to admit his client has bad knees?

Always ;)

In this case it appears to be the truth considering they have signed 2 guards that are well over 300lbs.

If his knees dont become problematic for us in the future, this will prove to be a very good signing.

some serious analysis going on here.... so, if a player is healthy, he will play better?

I'm exaggerating?

50/50 to make the team? Come on.

His knees were good enough to start 19 games in 2009...

Come on, what?

He's having knee issues. The only team in the league to sign him was 4-12 last year and he's a two-time Super Bowl starter. As we all know, Haley runs very intense training camps. Guys last year sat on exercise bikes when they weren't able to participate. He has a mandatory conditioning drill, in which a few guys failed last year.

There's no guarantee he'll make it out of camp.

And poor enough to be released immediately thereafter

I'm really impressed there's this much discussion over this signing. Lemme guess, it's the off-season? It's like feeding a mouse to a tank full of starving Piranha's

:D

Great take.

Just because a player signs with KC doesn't mean we were his only option.

You think Thomas Jones signed here because we were the only team that wanted him?

The Jets didn't want him back, even when given the opportunity to match the Chiefs final offer.

And that's just one example. Feel free to tell us where else he visited or who else made him a contract offer.

The proof is in the pudding

I think the Chiefs were the only team to offer him the kind of pay he wanted. He's been a 1,000 yards+ running back for years. Why would he agree to become a part time player, if not for the money?

If he wanted to win, he would have re-signed with the Jets at a much lower rate, or gone to an equally competitive team.

and for the same reason we released Weigman when we were gonna go with a bigger line and a power scheme. He made the probowl the next year zoneblocking.

There are reports that Seattle and the Texans were both in negotiations with Lilja as well, so we werent the only team bidding for his services...

Yea the Jets don't want a guy back and so his only option option out of 31 teams was to go to KC. Give it a rest. That isn't proof of shit. But hey it supports your seriously negative biased opinions.

Not according to Dane.

Weigmann will be 37 when the season starts.

:shake:

Reports, eh? So, a two-time Pro Bowl guard that's only 28 years old is available, yet the only teams interested were a 4-12 team, a 5-11 team and the Texans?

Wow, how did his agent stand all that heat?

Pretty much.

Why don't you go ahead and prove otherwise instead of acting like a jackass?

Because he can't.

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;6608960]I think the Chiefs were the only team to offer him the kind of pay he wanted. He's been a 1,000 yards+ running back for years. Why would he agree to become a part time player, if not for the money?

He had no choice. That's the best he is going to get if he wants a job in the league. I think it's clear teams in the NFL now are looking for young people when it comes to RB's. Nobody is going to overpay for 30+ year old RB and count on him to be the starter.

Again, he had no other option. It's not just about the winning, it's a matter of him being employed for the role teams ask of him. the Jets couldn't re-sign him because of the way the rules and the way FA is structured amongst the final four teams in the playoffs. Any team that makes the final four can't sign an UFA till they release a player, and can only spend a certain sum of cash. Forgive me, not exactly sure that's how it works but something of that degree or caliber.

And there are other players out there they probably valued more than TJ

Wasn't pretty much 90%+ of the FA class of '10 over 30? Just a question.

With you, the Chiefs can't win. Ever.

Best RB in FA. check
Best G in FA. check
Best C in FA. check
Dane's approval. useless

you can't prove otherwise either. Either of you. You are speculating. Your speculation is no more fact than mine.
You can't PROVE no other teams were interested.

Yeah, that ship sailed with Herm. You should have sailed with him if you loved him so much. :D

back to stating what players and coaches think, feel and know..?

:doh!:

I bet that we trade him for a late round draft pick.

a 40 year old Weigman is better than a Niswanger at any age IMHO.

Its no doubt that he has had serious knee issues in the past, I just have hope that he will continue to be healthy enough to contribute like he did in starting 19 games last year (yeah, that means the whole year including the superbowl)

Lilja never made a probowl.

LOL you're ****ing clueless.

what about his post do you disagree with?
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Then, Mike Chappell at the Indy Star got this quote from Lilja's agent:

"[The Colts] said they want to go bigger, and they let him go,’’ Domann said. "Ryan was disappointed, but I know he’ll land on his feet.’’

If those guys were the best at those position they would have been signed or had offers from teams. I posted the stats Weigmann was worse than Niswanger in pass protection. So saying he's an upgrade isn't true.

Are you really this obtuse?

If Thomas Jones had been offered a contract by a winning football organization, he'd have taken it.

The problem for TJ is that there is rarely, if ever, an opportunity for a 32 year-old running back to be signed as a starter, let alone a contract that's worth more than the veteran minimum.

TJ signed a nice contract with the Chiefs and if he could have gotten something more or equal elsewhere, he would have.

It's pretty goddammed simple.

I'd agree. But if the Chiefs stand pat at the center position and do nothing in the draft, they're most likely looking at signing yet another veteran next year and spending a draft choice in 2011.

Time will tell.

Hope is all Chiefs fan have these days.

Are you really this arrogant? Hasn't the point been hammered home yet? Weigmann play last year in a power blocking system. Not his cup of tea. He will be playing in our new zone blocking system, which is his cup of tea. Get it? Look at how Weigmann had performed over his entire career in comparison to last year. You are a total ****ing doucher. Now go fetch your daddy his paper lapdog.

Regardless of you opinion, the general consensus in the media and with Jets fans and pretty much everybody but you is that TJ being released by the Jets and then the Jets signing LT, who's production has been less than TJ's the last few years makes no sense.

TJ signs here because he has no other options yet the Jets sign LT who had multiple visits and much interest but it made no sense for the Jets to replace a more productive back with a less productive one.

So who was worth what according to who?

It' not that goddamn simple. If I was a Jets fan I would be pissed. I am KC fan so I am fine with getting TJ because I would rather have him than LT.

To say TJ had no other options is ridiculous when broke down ass LT had options.

I know LT was much better in his prime but right now there is no doubt who is a better back.

And by the way, LJ's contract with Washington contradicts your comment about rare contracts above the veteran minimum for RB's
over 30. You think Washington would rather have LJ than Jones?

Oh yea Oakland wanted LJ too. Think they weren't interested in TJ?

Yeah, defend him, yeah...he'll like that. Maybe later, he'll spank you. Ooooh yeah.

ok then name the better fas this year at those positions?
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People bitch we don't act fast in free agency then state when we sign guys quickly they had no other options.

Priceless.

This

Again, how about providing some actual proof, instead of nonstop speculation.

This same argument has been peddled on CP for the longest time. If the Chiefs sign a FA they either suck, the FO sucks, the Chiefs are cheap, or the Chiefs suck and are stupid. But if another team signs a FA then they are smart, winners and don't suck.

The fact is everyone around the NFL is laughing at the Jets for signing LT when they could had a better player in Thomas Jones. But hey the Chiefs suck and so does Thomas Jones so what's new?

You're an idiot.

I never ONCE complained that the Chiefs didn't sign anyone early. As a matter of fact, I wanted no part of guys like Peppers. Also, I backed the TJ signing from day one.

Your only purpose here is spread unsubstantied rumors and to insult those with fact-based opinions.

All the sudden our OL doesnt look that bad.

Possibly pick up a good center or RT in the draft and we might have ourselves an OL.

He wasn't talking about you specifically cockbag. :p
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Maybe it was because Jim Isray is a hands-on owner who was pissed about losing the SB. He decided that they needed more of a running game and that a bigger line is the way to go about it. So he made the decree that the 0-line needed to get bigger which was something the previous o-line coach (Howard Mudd) refused to do. And...shit rolls downhill. Bye Lilja.

Of course there were a couple of folks that insisted Lilja was washed up even before the unsubstantiated report of Lilja's failed physical came out. But that happens. We all make mistakes. I'd like to think that we're all hoping that Lilja proves to be a stud at RG and the o-line benefits from his great experience in Indy. Always good to have some extra SB bling in the locker room.

After we draft a LT at #5 and move a Albert to LG of course. ;)

A rookie center would reap a lot of wisdom from a guy like Wiegmann.

Just FTR, Daryl Harris did play a little center in college, and when the Chiefs added him to the 53 man roster last year, they had him working there some as well.

Still this

fyp

Okung
Waters
Weigman
Lilja
Albert

There's plenty of starting quality centers that can be had in the 3rd to 4th round this year.

This is the way it should be.

The Chiefs aren't forced to take a Center in the draft. Wiegmann's got 1 maybe 2 years left in him.

If the Chiefs choose not to draft a Center, they'll live. Wiegmann plays the year out and they draft one in 2011. Better than walking into the draft and reaching for a Center because you absolutely had to take one in the draft.

Oh, I know.

I think it would be wise to take the kid from Notre Dame (at the least). In most mock's, he's fifth, of which the Chiefs have three.

The Vikings drafted their starting center last year in the 6th.

I just hope it's addressed because if Weigmann goes down, the last thing I personally want to see is the 'Wanger at center.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs take that Center from Notre Dame if he's still around in the 5th.

Edit: Dane beat me to it. I think I'm more surprised that we actually agree on something :D

I hope he's got one year left because if the Chiefs don't draft a center, we're stuck with the 'Wanger.

Not good.

The problem with Allenman is that he's had back issues since the day he came into the league.

So what you have, really, is the choice between a guy who can't stay healthy (Allenman), and a guy whose knees may or may not be shot.