Really? He would rather make almost no money at all than to play in the NFL even as a backup for 10yrs? Sounds like baseless speculation to me. You guys have not facts.

Bullshit. The guy is slow.

Okay.

Just shut the **** up.

The motivation issue has been a question for Richardson since he was in college.

It was the primary reason his draft stock fell.

That is a fact that has been talked about for years.

I'm pretty sure if Richardson started as many games as O'Callaghan did he wouldn't be as completely awful as O'Callaghan was.

But either way the argument is pointless, just like wanting to draft O'Callghans twin from iowa is pointless.

Sure bet that's fact. Just like the Colts wanted to go bigger right?

We'll see about your comparison. I'm pretty sure you only feel that way b/c he is from Iowa though.

The fact that this guy thinks that drafting Calloway in the fourth round tells me he's as clueless as Clathan in a whorehouse.

I've never argued that point on Lilja, so just shut the hell up.

The motivation issues were always the sticking point on Richardson in every ****ing scouting report going into that draft, and Herman ****ing Edwards made mention of those reports when the Chiefs selected him, if I recall correctly.

Really. A right tackle who is physical and as consistent as they come. Solid against the pass and punishing against the run. Not to mention his versatility to play 3 line positions. Fact is, he may be gone before he ever even gets to our 4th rounder. The only hope he falls is that he got himself an O'dub a summer or two ago. Something a large percentage of rural farm kids can say for themselves, so for me, it's a non issue. You are crack smokers. Bet you maybe watch 2 Iowa games as well.

Sorry just using you and your comrades dirty tactics against you. Yes, I do recall the desire issue very well. Just not convinced that that's it. How much motivation will it take him to stand up and get in someones way? He doesn't even get vertical by the time he's blow by.

I don't have to watch a lot of games to see that Bulaga has slow feet, though I believe I saw at least parts of five games.

And ftr, Richardson has appeared in 16 games, at both LT and RT, in two years with the Chiefs and has not given up a sack, which in no way supports your claim that he can't even get out of his stance before he gets blown by.

You, my friend, are full of shit.

I'll give you that. Last year he played 77 passing snaps. Gave up 2 hits, 2 pressures and 1 penalty. No sacks though, you are right. He didn't grade out to well though, maybe better than No'Cal, but that's not the point I'm arguing either.

I hope you are right. I really do, I would really like to see a good offense again. It's just not the way I see it playing out. We can only hope though.

Who said anything about Bulaga. I really hope the Chiefs don't draft him. I liked Bulaga's replacement while he was out early the year better anyway. Riley Reiff is a rs fresh who stepped in and owned that LT position while Bulaga was down.

I'm all for drafting OL in the draft, just not before the 3rd round. Our first three picks need to address playmakers who have the ability to change the outcome of a game. There'll be plenty of starter qualith C's and G's that will be available in the 3rd to 5th rounds. I'de draft Center at 3 to take Weig's spot in the very near future (possibly midseason). Then look for a guard to replace Waters in the next year or two in the 4th. If Brown lives up to his potential we'll have quality depth at the position unless Lilja doesn't pan out. Then in the 5th surely there'll be a RT on the board (possibly swap out with the guard in the 4th)

Mean't Calloway.

Kyle Calloway is like a 5th rounder, mid 5th rounder.

I think the switch to zone blocking helps Brown quite a bit. There is a reason he wasn't on the previous regimes scouting radar. He played in a spread. I'm sure the new regime knew in which direction they were heading at all times.

Then I'll take him there. The only reason I can see him falling that low is b/c of the OWI and deep defensive draft though.

So aturnis you're whole reasoning for Calloway being better than Washington is because you've seen Calloway play?

So this thread has been up all day.

What is the conicencious of what you got out of all the participants of your article suggest?

No my whole reason for other people know not what they are talking about is they haven't seen him play and don't like the idea of an Iowa olineman partly b/c Iowa isn't sexy, and now moreso than ever b/c of the Ferentz/Pioli connection. If he's taken, it'll be a good ole boys connection pick and not a solid one.

Washington was considered a 3rd or 4th round pick just last month, but you climb on that "potential" bandwagon.

I'm pretty sure Washington has always been ahead of Calloway in draft rankings.

Bottom line: whether you like it or not Pioli is going with a "trench guy" either O-line or D-line with the 1st pick.

Barry Richardson will never be the player that Kyle Calloway will be.

Mark it down buddy.

Barry Richardson got benched for a red shirt freshman his senior year, didnt he?

Well yes, he is a left tackle. A left tackle, even one rated lower than a right tackle can expect to be picked higher just for the fact that he was a left tackle. The primo spot on an NFL line, and if he doesn't make it or doesn't stack up to a pro left tackle, you can always attempt to move him to the right side.

Washington didn't get any real talk or high rating until recently when he tested well physically. He is a dummy though. He couldn't go to LSU b/c he wasn't bright enough. So he must be WAY stupid, b/c you know if a team really wants you, they will do everything they can to get you there. Look at Gore.

Washington just recently started climbing draft charts, something a "draft guru" like you already knows.

I assume you also know that in most OT rankings around the net, Calloway is rated usually in the 8-12 range, whereas Washington usually sits 13-19 overall.

A media guys top 100 might have him going higher though, b/c positional value is king. A top 100 players board will also have him higher, b/c they figure in positional value there also. Hoping their big board will be as accurate as possible, with where players will be selected, b/c if it ain't, he ain't got no cred.

I'll second that.

I'm not as sure as you are about that. I hope you are wrong though.

DeAndre Brown is an absolute stud WR who didn't end up at LSU cause he didn't qualify...that doesn't mean he sucks.

Guys sometimes end up at smaller schools it doesn't change their talent or that Kyle Calloway is essentially Alex Boone by another name.

Oh. Well now. They were just trying to get their LTOTF some playing experience for the next season dontcha know.

No, but it might mean that you're stupid. Stupid doesn't do any good in the film room, or in when trying to learn a new system.

Hell, when he knocked up his sister, that should be a red flag as to how stupid it is.

You're a dumbass do you think players from the U were smart?

JPP only played 1 year at USF I don't see you saying he will suck cuz he's a dumbass.

Didn't say that is while they'll suck. Just another red flag. It could make a tough task even harder. Sure he might have all the talent in the world, but if he isn't smart enough to benefit from watching film, and learn a playbook, he might not be as good as he could be. Our new zone blocking scheme might be a task for a dumbass.

Did he play at a lower level b/c he was a dumbass or b/c he was a late bloomer? B/c Washington didn't go to LSU b/c his grades weren't good enough. Do you think that he found out about LSU's interest after he graduated? Doubtful. So he most likely knew he needed to get his grades up, but either wasn't dedicated enough or was too stupid.

Judging by his having a kid with his sister, I pick the latter, though the former would be just as bad.

I'm already tired of reading this oh he had a kid with his sister shit, that story is already played out.

Im not gonna say he is gonna be great by any means, but I think he isnt getting enough credit. He should be a solid right tackle for a long time in the league. Here is how he did against Derrick Morgan in the bowl game. Morgan is a top 15 pick kind of guy and an excellent pass rusher.

Keep in mind that this is only after Bulaga stalemated him in the early part of the game and they moved him to try and get some pressure on Stanzi.

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To me, the closest comparison to him is Marshall Yanda from Baltimore that went to Iowa as well. I think they are very similar players.

take it for what its worth.

And he's playing guard...and not even starting.

he started 9 games last year. He was moved to guard because Oher fell to them and they already had Gaither, they wanted him on the field and found a spot for him.

HUH? that doesnt scream "red flag" to you?

People need to stop taking profootballfocus as some word of gospel. It's a nice site that brings some nice info and discussion points, but it goes to far to say Waters is ranked as the 20th best player at his position. A lot of statistics are subjective - like sacks. Stats Inc., used by the NFL has Albert as giving up 9 sacks, profootballfocus has it as 7.

I know cfbstats.com (college football) has a really odd interpretation of "pressures".

I'd like to see one article from 4-5 years ago on Monroe and Albert in college. I don't believe for one second that Monroe "refused" to play a certain position. That's not how it generally works in college football, especially at a university that churns out OL.

So do you have some evidence that Waters isn't the 20th best player at his position, other than "I want him to be, because I like Brian Waters and I am a Chiefs homer!"

Waters sucked ass last year.

I'm saying their grades and analysis are subjective. They can only guess on certain plays as to who screwed up if they don't know the scheme or play design.

Law of averages comes into effect over 16 games.

Considering their grades reflect what a great many here saw on the field, they have credibility.

Barry Richardson may never be the player that Kyle Calloway will be, but it won't be due to talent.

Richardson is far more athletic and talented.

The benching goes back to the problem he has always had.

Lack of motivation.

If someone could ever light a fire under his ass, he'd be a stud.

And for you Iowa homers, I'm sorry that your boy looks like Herman Munster.

You shouldn't have to light a fire under an NFL players butt. If you do, I don't think they well ever be worth anything.