Rape schmape. Over the last four years alone, the guy has averaged a concussion per season. That's far more concerning towards his long-term prospects than what he might have done in some bar bathroom.

I'd try to get a deal done somehow, but not for the #5 overall pick.

He's not raping them, but if a COCKY HIGH PROFILE VERY RICH NFL QB wants that pretty blond female in the club that is giving him a chubby, no matter if she feels the same way or not, he will most certainly use his name and power and pull to achieve it.

What's so hard to ****ing grasp here? Ben Roethlisberger is your below average ugly looking clown shoe of a male, that in fact, if he didn't have his NFL status around him, he would probably not be getting laid by over half of the pretty girls that do actually touch him.

He looks like every average dude that is not in the NFL that I see barely even have pretty girls wink in their direction, the dude is clearly a sexual deviant taking advantage of his pull, and if that is going to clubs and being overly aggressive like he's Gene Simmons in the 70s trying to point at chicks in the crowd to bang backstage, than so be it.

Trade for him...yesterday.

Who cares what he does off the field that stuff is overblown. As long as he wins on sundays.

But if what he does off the field gets in the way of on the field stuff then you have to be a little more worried.

This kinda reminds me of the Jared Allen thing.

It worked out for the vikings so i think it would work for the chiefs.

Twice.

I cannot believe this poll. Anyone that doesn't want Ben is WeTawdid.

Swap firsts with the steelers and you have a reasonable deal IMO.

Before considering a trade for Ruthlessraper, he should put him through rigorous and intense psychological testing.

Sexual deviancy isn't something that's likely to go away anytime soon.

And for the record, I seriously can't believe some of the people that would trade for this human piece of dogshit. You must not know a ****ing thing about his personal life or believe that a person can actually be a drunk ****ing asshole and still be a good QB.

If the Chiefs traded for him, I wouldn't watch them or support them until he was gone.

**** him.

+ 1

Jared hasn't changed much?

Hmmm, a difference of opinion between Dane and Mecca.

Does this make this a 50-50 proposition?

What can you tell us about his personal life aside from the reports from the women who have accused him of sexual assault?

I voted no. Too much baggage and he seems to have a problem with women telling him no.

Two Super Bowl wins, youngest ever QB to win a Super Bowl... Should pass on him till more of a sure thing comes around. That 5th pick could be used on the o-line doncha know?

Umm....

The guy bullheadedly refused to wear a helmet when riding a bike and did so only when he was near death.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. There seems to be consistency in some of the charges and not even all the girls are actually pressing charges or demanding attention. Seems like Big Ben's a big fan of just randomly whipping his dick out and stalking girls.

Big Ben had a picture taken years ago hammered off his ass with a "Drink like a champion today" shirt, which has become pretty famous on the net. Pretty significant, since it seems like most incidents have involved drinking. And pretty creepy behavior that followed. But I suppose lacerations of the vagina, that's pretty normal shit.

And then there's this. You're being charged for rape in Vegas. Maybe it's a BS case, which is how most people interpreted it. But you have to be a ****ing idiot to be under that kind of scrutiny, and then have a night orchestrated around getting girls publicly drunk and then having bodyguard's protect a bathroom while Big Ben has sex in it.

It's not so much the personal behavior as much as it is his complete lack of common sense.

Is he Mike Tyson or Kobe Bryant?

We don't know.

Leaning towards Tyson. Kobe only had 1 incident I think Ben is on #3

Great comparison.

I've mentioned this in various threads but he parties in Vegas 10x as often as LJ ever did. The security ALWAYS has to keep an eye on him because he constantly plays 'grab ass" with the waitresses and has a tendency to get extremely drunk, which leads to even shittier behavior. As I mentioned earlier, I've got a very good friend I've known for more than 25 years that's involved in the club scene there and has several friends that have a shit-ton of dirt on Ruthlessraper.

He's got the biggest, puffiest, moon-drunk face ever. If you look strictly at his face, he's got the face of an alcoholic.

I know more about the Tahoe incident but I'm not going to share. There are certain people in the forum that are convinced that she's a nutjob, regardless of what I've been told directly by people that worked with her.

Yup.

If he's a member of the Chiefs, lots of things to worry about:
-Will he stop drinking? I doubt it
-Will he do something stupid? Probably, given that he didn't listen to anybody about riding his bike, let alone without a helmet. And given that I'm sure the team warned him about these kinds of behaviors to women as well as his reputation for drinking like crazy, and he clearly didn't listen
-Will he be blamed in the future? I would think so. Even if he's a choir boy from here on out, he's a moving target and you wonder if women looking for attention will target Big Ben, which will be a major distraction
-The Andrea McNulty case isn't over--who knows if this is a future distraction or even if he's found guilty

If he ends up on the Chiefs, I'd of course root for him. I just want to win. But I think there's a pretty enormous potential for him being a major distraction wherever he goes.

I've heard from several sources that Big Ben is also cited in a shitload of divorce proceedings.

Actually, it's amazing he hasn't gotten his ass kicked yet. I don't know how many wives you can mess around with before you get caught by the wrong husband.

Boston lawyer Harry Manion told WEEI's Dennis & Callahan Show on Tuesday that Manion was involved in an investigation regarding another Big Ben incident.

Said Manion: "[T]here is a history here this is just super troubling."

Manion specifically referred to an incident from 2009, also in Nevada. "Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," Manion said.

Manion believes that, if Roethlisberger ever is going to change his ways, the near miss in Georgia will be the impetus.

"Unless he's totally brain dead -- and we don't know -- he would be scared," Manion said. "Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There's a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there's only so far that he said/she said will get you. There's only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there's only so far that, 'Gee, we're celebrities, we have a target on our back,' will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously . . . . It's the scene that he's gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good. But it's hurting him. He's hurt. He has been damaged. And the next one, the wrath of God's going to come down on him, if there is a next one."

Basically his cloak of invincibility has been taken away. If he screws up again he would have to be an epic moron.

If he's a sexual deviant, he may not have a choice

We'll see.

Will he stop being so blatant about being creepy around women? I'm pretty sure he would.

Will that stop him from drinking? Will that stop him from being creepy privately around women? And will this case make him an open target for women to accuse him of crimes he didn't commit?

All it takes is a semen sample from one future encounter, even if it was consensual, for Big Ben to be under the microscope again. I don't think he'll ever escape this again in his career.

I'm not a "win at all costs" guy when it comes to rape.

If the guy had a DUI, big deal.

Rape?

No way.

How can such a piece of shit douche be blessed with such skill?


God has a sick sense of ****ing humor.

I realize you have much more info. about all of this, but my opinion would be different if he were convicted or even officially charged with something.

In absence of either of these...

But I reserve the right to change my opinion as more information is presented.

It's difficult to prove rape when alcohol's involved and even more difficult when the accused is paying off the accusers.

If BR didn't have these cases hanging over his head, there's no way that Pittsburgh would ever consider trading him. And I've been told that they know MUCH more than what's been released publicly.

Hypothetically Would you have traded for OJ Simpson once he was acquitted if he was in his prime?

Wasn't charged?

If he wins the Chiefs a bowl I really don't care, I bet we can find people that will lineup to let him molest them for a Super bowl in return.

I do have to agree, there is likely more than the public knows going on to cause the Steelers to want to trade him.

It also could have to do with Steeler fans thinking (rightly) that the team is bigger than any one player and they hate the negative pub after the years and years of nothing but love and the fan revolt is forcing the issue.

Easy to do when you are a perennial winner.

Listening to the radio this afternoon, they were talking to a Pitt reporter. According to him, Pitt is really a small city team that cares a ton about their fans and what the fans think. According to this guy, ever since the 2nd allegation became public Steeler fans have been writing to the team like mad, people have been sending all of their Rothlesberger jerseys back to the team and their has been a huge public outcry against him. The reporter was saying that Ben wasn't all that popular before the 2nd incident. People more or less tolerated him because he won 2 Super Bowls but he was never really liked because he's an ass.

From what I've heard at least people I know is, they are pretty pissed that they want to get rid of Ben.

The Steelers care about image, that's nice, image doesn't win games.

This.


They are a spoiled fanbase.

I for one can't wait until they come back down to Earth.

I think the Steelers organization believe they can win without him. Maybe not next year but soon after. They think long term, all the time.

Win like they did before him where they were Marty every year, in the playoffs and a loss, hey that's really something to aspire to.

Any fan that really wants to trade their teams franchise player because "he doesn't act right" needs a reality check.

What do the Steelers and the Rooney family do any further to prove that they know what they're doing for the betterment of their franchise?

JFC, Mecca, they've won TWO Super Bowls this decade to go along with FOUR in the 1970's.

We're not talking about the Hunts, we're talking about essentially the first family of the NFL.

I look at it this way, the rich and famous can always buy, wiggle, squirm, lie their way out of anything so by him not getting charged or OJ being found innocent is really about them being rich and famous not because they are innocent.

Yep.

Says the Patriots, Colts, and Steelers as they've been in every Super Bowl but about one this past decade...

They hadn't won a superbowl in my lifetime till they finally got a QB, they can ship him out and wait 30 years to win another one, be my guest.

I'm sure that has everything to do with image and nothing to do with who those teams are built around.

This. Ben would be a blip and they would move on doing what they do and get a top 10 pick out of him.

I think Mecca would support a convicted child molester as our QB as long as he won SB's.

He's not my friend, I really could give 2 ****s if he's winning bowls.

Also did you all forget what the Steelers were before they drafted Roethlisberger, yep they can go back to being the perennial playoff loser.

Possible Scenario:


Steelers get a top 10 pick for Rapeslutsburger. They use their two 1st rounders to trade up to #1 to grab Bradford.

I am not a Bradford fan, but there has been rumors that Pittsburgh like him a lot.

My statement wasn't about Big Ben.

So would you support the Chiefs having a convicted child molester as our QB as long as he was winning SB's?

Huh?

They were in the AFC Championship year after year after year under Cowher.

Now, I absolutely think they would have won at least one more Super Bowl, if not several, if they had a legitimate QB at the helm during those years.

But they were FAR from a perennial loser.

Did they or did they not win any bowls before Roethlisberger since the 70s, the answer is no.

They made it once and lost.

We all know Mecca would build the Bengals... he has never cared about character. That's just how he views it.

I don't think it's totally about image though. If you think Bill Polian gives a flying rats anus about what you, or even any Colts fan, thinks of his team, you're giving yourself way too much credit. These teams pretty much do what they want. Whether it's getting rid of Marvin Harrison, Santonio Holmes, trading Lawyer Milloy away... if you want to do something stupid they won't put up with it.

What Mecca doesn't get, is that it goes much deeper than that. That ability to recognize and evaluate character is what helps these guys build dynasties. It doesn't have to be the "right 53" of all boy scouts or anything like that... that'll be Mecca's argument. But the ability to evaluate character surely helped tip the scales of Manning over Ryan Leaf, and Edge over Ricky Williams when that was considered an odd decision. It's not like they only sign milk and cookies guys but they are able to create an atmosphere where they get the most of guys.

I guess the answer is yes. that is pretty bad.

So all you care about is a win?

Thankfully, most people disagree.

Regular Americans, you know, the ones that AREN'T in the news or on shows like TMZ on a daily basis for ****ing up, are sick of pampered, cry-baby athletes that make millions upon millions of dollars to play a ****ing GAME.

The money is there and has to be paid, so the athletes WILL get paid. But no one likes rooting for a **** up (Joey Porter ring any bells?) or for a two-time accused rapist who paid off anyone in the vicinity of his crimes.

I want the Chiefs to build a winning organization but not at the expense of losing their dignity as a franchise or shaming the city in which they reside.

Apparently, the Rooney's feel the same way.

BTW Mecca are you going to go ahead and start the official NFL Draft thread? It is less than 24 hours away.

:clap::clap:

I really don't care, like I said they aren't my pals I don't hang out with them or know them.

The Cowboys team was full of dumbshits they won 3 bowls.

The face of their franchise was not a "Dumbshit".

THAT'S the difference.

How about the Chiefs go 0-16, we'd soon ****en see if YOU cared about a win or not.

I don't think the Chiefs are in danger of going 0-16 anytime soon.

And even if they did, I'd rather have a guy like Stafford than like Ruthlessraper.

It's one thing to realize that your chamiponship team was loaded with a holes and say oh well. It's a different thing to know guys are undesirable and still bring them in to win a championship. Expost facto....or guilty? LOL


PhilFree:arrow:

I think I would take the Super Bowl wins and worry about him keeping his dick in his pants later.

This is why KC will be doomed with shitty pro teams for eternity.

If you are looking for solid upstanding citizens, role models for your kids, blah blah blah go watch the Hallmark Channel.

If you want to win a championship you need the best players available. I don't give a shit what guys do off the field... as long as they win that is all that matters.

Ben Roethlisberger could have committed genocide in Darfur and I could frankly care less if it meant the Chiefs having a realistic chance to land a 28 year old 2 time Super Bowl winning QB.

FYP


PhilFree:arrow:

Last I checked, we weren't putting together a church group.

Go **** yourself.

You are truly one of the most idiotic people to ever post on this forum.

The Chiefs will or will not win a championship based on their drafts, free agent acquisitions and coaching.

NOT by adding ****ing thugs and criminals.

Again, just go **** yourself and it would be NICE (although not likely) that you NEVER post here again.

****tard.

even if it was your daughter?

When that thug or criminal is one of the best players in the league at his position, it kinda changes a bit.

Dude for a superbowl he can molest you.

Thankfully, Roger Goodell thinks otherwise.

Can you say with a straight face that the Chiefs wouldn't be in a better position to win a championshp than they are today with Ben Roethlisberger as their starting QB?

Go ahead and attempt to make that argument dumb shit.

Bills | Not interested in acquiring Ben Roethlisberger
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Updating a previous item, the Buffalo Bills are not interested in trading for Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.


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Rams | Not interested in acquiring Ben Roethlisberger
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Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:47:52 -0400

Updating a previous item, the St. Louis Rams are not interested in trading for Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw.php/nfl#ixzz0lnNj8W5B

I preferred Tagliabue as a commissioner.

More reasons why the Bills are a perennial doormat.

No it doesn't...

PhilFree:arrow:

Would the Steelers want to trade his ass if he wasn't a gigantic liability at this point?

Go ahead and attempt to make that argument dumb shit.

LMAO **** you

It's really nice the Steelers care about their public image, maybe when you've recently won you can mandate this.

After 40 years of shit I think winning trumps image.

Me too but that don't change my thinking..


PhilFree:arrow:

I think you're crazy if you think that Scott Pioli and Clark Hunt are even remotely interested in trading for Ruthlessraper.

That city would go NUTS, and not in a good way. There'd be protesters out at Arrowhead every Sunday and the local media would vilify them all.