Thomas J, DJ, Carr just to name a few, im sure i could debate a few other guys with you though.

I won't take it that far, I will gladly put my ass on the line over who wins the division, but I know first hand about our playoff failures.

The difference between KnowMo and I is that I don't toot the Chargers horn constantly. I do every once in a while, but I am here for the lulz, not the Sports.

So you're answer is San Diego?

Winning the AFC West doesn't mean sh1t if none of the teams are going to the Super Bowl and winning it. The Chargers sure as **** ain't gonna do that this year.

since your pimping your 3rd round wr eric decker, then the chiefs should get McCluster on that list. There are other, but they are debatable.

The Chiefs will finish with a better record than the Broncos, thats all Im sayin.

Obviously the season is a failure if you don't win the Super Bowl. I am just trying to get this guy to put up or shut up.

And I know this might sound stupid, but I've had some great times the last few years with all this winning, and I have memories that I will never forget. We have won 3 playoff games recently, and even though we haven't won it all, I am still happier than I would have been if we missed the playoffs every year.

Definitely good to be in the hunt than not at all, but there's just something wrong with the Chargers every year. I don't know what it is.... Maybe it's Norv, but something just always seems wrong with that team. And I expect the same sh1t this season.

You know you can type out the word shit right?

Also, I know its the same for most of the guys here, you can tell when people here reminisce about the Early-Mid 90s Chiefs and the 2003 team.

You know our team is better than it was last time we played, and your is worse right?

Thomas isn't a starter, DJ doesn't start for a SB team, Carr is a nickleback on a SB team.

He's right - the Chiefs only have about 6 or 7 legitimate starters for a championship caliber ballcub (Albert and Waters are at least solid starters and Bowe is a viable #2 for a contender).

But the Donks only have 3.

And evidently only the Donks are allocated young players, the rest of the league doesn't draft them as well. As such, only Denver is progressing while the rest of the league is just sitting around doing nothing.

Right?

Holy crap - you're really willing to go way out on the limb there... tell ya what, don't worry with betting if that's the limit for you.

I guess it would be time to pull up the thread from the day after the recent playoff loss...

Dude, cmon.

The Broncos have a much better chance of winning the Division than the Chargers do going to the AFC Championship Game.

That's a lot to ask. Its not like the Chargers are odds on favorites anymore. I think they were 10th in the last power rankings?

Again, I am not the one spewing shit out of my mouth, he is. If he is so sure, he should put himself on the line.

The one where I said that the Chargers will never win anything?

What will that prove in this case?

Clady, Kuper, Harris, Dumervil, Jamal Williams, Justin Bannan, Jarvis Green, Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins, DJ Williams, Eddie Royal, Andre Goodman, Ronaldo Hill, Knowshon Moreno, Daniel Graham, Matt Prater... All of those guys are AT LEAST legit starters on contending teams.

And that isn't even counting guys that could be big parts of our future in the next couple years like Ayers, Tebow, Demaryius Thomas,Darcel McBath, Eric Decker, and Perrish Cox.

Wow.

It's official. This is all a game you play to get attention.

Because there's no way a person can be this stupid.

Y'all should give him the troll treatment - he's just looking for attention, no need to give it to him.

I've noticed that whoever the Broncos draft, immediately becomes one of the best in the NFL. All other players drafted are just average or worse.

WOW this shit is getting even better ROFL

Why?

Who do you disagree with on that list?

Uhp. The pressure you're putting on Decker to do well just broke his leg.

Seriously, if there's a more oft-injured player in this draft class than Moeaki, it's ****ing Eric Decker.

The Chiefs and Broncos are mediocre. When mediocre teams lose one of their best players, bad things happen.


The Chiefs lost their best pass rusher a few years ago due to Carl being a ****ing idiot.


The results were quite ugly.



Denver just lost their best Defensive player, and I am prediciting the results could be similar.

He's a ****in troll guys.

I'm fairly certain it's midnight_vulture being a motorcycle douchebag again.

We are mediocre.

The Broncos aren't even that. They are bad. Like bottom 8 bad.

My hope agrees with you.


BUT, until this team proves otherwise, we are still a dogshit 4-12 team.

Clady, Dumervil, Moreno...the end, but Dumervil's probably done for the year (just wait, there's always a setback). I guess Champ will work as well.

And we don't really know much about Moreno, for that matter. We know he's talented, we also known he is a little injury prone.

Dawkins is done. Royal? Oh c'mon, he's not even as good as Chambers. Have fun with that flash in the pan as your #1. Williams is a damn corpse - stop ignoring the guy's age. Harris? Can he even walk? Should I start listing guys like Ryan O'Callaghan while I'm here? If you're counting Bannan, I'm counting Dorsey - or we could just acknowledge that they're both mediocre as all hell. Goodman? Pft, we have one of those too, only he's not 32 years old - Brandon Carr; doesn't count anymore than Carr does. If you're claiming Kuper, I'm claiming Lilja - but again, let's just recognize that neither one of them are really that good instead.

You have a wildly unrealistic view of what constitutes a championship caliber player.

You're in trouble now. Knowmo is furiously collecting twitter updates to prove you wrong about all those players as we speak.

FYP

Knowshon Moreno is not that good.

He's average at best, and always will be. He was a wasted top 12 pick IMO, when guys like LeSean McCoy, and Shonn Greene were taken at a good spot and have produced well.

A guy like Knowshon Moreno will never start on a SB winning team.

:popcorn: @ the circle jerk of tears on the Mane about Dumervil.ROFL

knowmo, i want to know, by position.

where are the broncos more talented at?

i dont think youre better at any position than any team in the division.

No shit? why?

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AP Source: Dumervil Has Torn Pectoral Muscle
Person with knowledge of situation: Dumervil has torn pectoral muscle, may miss up to 5 months
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By PAT GRAHAM AP Sports Writer
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. August 5, 2010 (AP)
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NFL sacks king Elvis Dumervil might miss the season with a torn chest muscle.

A person familiar with the injury to Dumervil told The Associated Press the Denver Broncos pass rusher has torn his pectoral muscle and could be sidelined up to five months.

The person spoke on the condition of anonymity on Thursday because the Broncos have not yet made an announcement.

A Broncos spokesman said coach Josh McDaniels was expected to address the issue following Thursday afternoon's workout.

ESPN first reported the extent of the injury Thursday. Dumervil was hurt at practice Wednesday night, walking off the field clutching his right arm following a defensive drill.

Dumervil led the league with 17 sacks in 2009 and parlayed his breakout season into a five-year, $58.332 million extension last month that included $43.168 million in guarantees, a record for a pass rusher.

Without Dumervil, the Broncos lack a bona fide pass rusher. Defensive lineman Darrell Reid had four sacks last year, the most of any other returning Broncos player.

But Reid is currently sidelined with a knee ailment and hasn't participated in training camp.

The other outside linebackers this season, former first-round picks Robert Ayers and Jarvis Moss, didn't have a sack last year.

The Broncos were hoping that new nosetackle Jamal Williams would practice for the first time at camp Thursday. McDaniels hasn't said whether Williams has been held out for injury or conditioning reasons. The 348-pound Williams was brought in to help push the pocket and allow Dumervil to get to the quarterback more often.

Now, that plan has to be altered.

Training camp has gotten off to a bad start for the Broncos. They lost their top two tailbacks, Correll Buckhalter (back) and Knowshon Moreno (hamstring), on the first day of camp.

Inside linebacker D.J. Williams, one of the leaders of the defense, has missed practices for unspecified reasons.

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karma. with all the stuff that happened with " stay down bitch" anything could happen

S.D.B

Waiting for knowmo to respond......

FAIL!

Oh good grief. Talking about them and saying 'stay down bitch' are two different things entirely. Some of you are going off the deep end here.

why do you breathe, go kill yourself and your lifepartner bug fuuuuucccckkkker

Knowno is a vorpal blade made of poop....slicing reason in half wherever his stinky weapon appears...

You're right. Those are all players for the Broncos.

There will never EVER be someone ever follow a team and be as big of a ****ing clownpunching douchebag like you.

You take homerism and bring it to a level that makes reading your posts like learning how to speak German.

The Broncos are in horrible shape. You can keep ignoring those facts, and the fact your likely best player just went down for the year puts you even that much in the hole.

On the bright side, you'll be drafting in the top 3 next year, however, you won't have the balls to take a QB because of your new obsession with TeBlow.

KnowMo literally owns this board. I've never seen anything quite like it.

Between KnowMo and Tebow... Its a toss-up... Impressive to say the least.

:D

My thoughts exactly. The way some people get so spun up over him is very funny to watch.

ROFL Where do you FIND these?

Well, this is a season ender unfortunately for him and drops the level of talent on defense considerably right now... not good, not good at all. The defensive front looked much better with the older veterans when Elvis was in the mix. It's hard to find playmakers like that and nearly impossible to replace them at this point.

We'll see what happens... as the world turns.

The GoChiefs of the Orangemane.

Just less gay and a bit more friendly.

So know we know what kind of abuse GoChiefs gets on other boards......

I can respect that...

Much less civil on other boards... the stuff here is just a bunch of homers barking at each other like they would at a bar.

Cutler
Clady
Marshall
Moreno
Dumervil
Mike Nolan

Denver fans are running out of reasons to cheer

Oakland is taking this division this year.

rep

if campbell plays like he can they will make a run imo.

Yeah no shit.. His team is full of studs and probowl talented players that play at such a high level.. But those scrubs at SD are still picked to win the division so no bet..

Personally unless some freaky happens.. SD or Oak win it at 9-7 this year.. Whole division is to close together..

Sadly, this is a definite possibility. If I were to take a stab at guessing who wins the AFCW, I'd say it's about...

SD 50%
OAK 25%
KC 15%
DEN 10%

I'd put it at 85% San Diego, 5% Oakland, 5% KC, 5% Denver

That is BS. The Chiefs and Raiders will finish 3rd and 4th in the division. I don't see what either of you guys did to improve your team enough to finish better than Denver.

Apparently you forget week 17...

The Broncos are an inferior team to the Chiefs...they are going to be a last place team next year...

McDaniels will then get to try and Tebow in 2011 and when that fails miserably...you'll get to pimp a new coach all over again!

I see Denver winning 8 games...over the next two years.

If SD gets McNeil, Jackson and Merriman signed I could agree.

If SD has to play without those guys I think its really open, more like

SD 40%
KC 25%
OAKLAND 25%
DENVER 10%

Oakland obviously has more talent than KC, but until one or the actually proves they can win it's even IMO.

I hate Denver, but they are not there because of personal feelings.. I just don't see them being very good at all.. and I felt that way even before the injury bug hit them.

Well, we took the team that kicked the shit out of you guys at the end of the season and then we didn't spend the offseason hemorhagging talent.

So I'd say that puts us a step ahead of you. Have you added a single contributor to this season? Even if Jesus develops, he's not doing shit in 2010. Likewise with the guy that didn't learn to run routes in high school like the rest of us did. Meanwhile, you traded your 2 best pass catchers and let your D-Coordinator walk. You have unquestionably regressed from where you were when we piss-pounded your sorry asses.

Look - the Chiefs suck. They suck long, they suck hard. I recognize this.

But for ****'s sake man, look at that pile of smoldering ass you people have assembled in Denver. Open your damn eyes and look at that roster. That team is on par with some of the worst I have ever seen.

You'll be lucky to win 4 games.

Denver is not a 4 win team. You are underestimating players like Brandon Lloyd, Eddie Royal, Jabar Gaffney, and Brandon Stokely. Denver has plenty of solid WR's and I will not be surprised if Orton throws for over 4,000 yards this season.

The Raiders were pretty good last year except for the fatass they had at QB. They improved dramatically at that position.

Could happen.

Oh shit...

I forgot about those receivers.

Lloyd, Royal, Gaffney and Stokely!

Shit!

That's a 15 win team right there...how did they manage to get 4 #1 caliber receivers all on the same roster?! Daaaaaamn!

Considering KC doesn't have a #1 WR I'm not sure where you are coming from.

San Diego experienced some addition by subtraction if you ask me...

They don't have to worry about the drama with LT as the icon and feeding his ego...and now they can just let Rivers run the show all the while probably improving their ground game with some fresh 1st round meat...

I think Rivers has a HUGE year and they win 12-14 games.

I think the Raiders are being vastly overrated.

SD: 13-3
KC: 8-8
OAK: 6-10
DEN: 4-12

i agree that not trotting JaWalruss out there will improve the Raiders but Jason Campbell isn't some franchise QB or anything and the Raiders are the Raiders. They are just a dysfunctional franchise that is too undisciplined to win IMO.

San Diego is taking the division because they have teh best quarterback its not even close.

I'm not predicting W/L totals until I watch the preseason.

Campbell isn't any worse than Orton. :shrug:

Excuse me if I don't envy Lloyd/Stokely/Gaffney...

Shit...even Royal is 'blah'...but I'll give him some credit for at least having upside.

The other three are ****ing camp fodder on most every other NFL team...yet somehow you have KnowMo pimping those guys like they are "studs"...

Hahahaha...

God damn they make D-Bowe and Chambers look like top tier starting caliber receivers...

I'd take McCluster over any of those four any day without thinking twice (same with Bowe, obviously)...

I'd say Chambers and Royal is a push, though...so you got that going for you...

I mean...

Offensively...(this is sad for you guys, by the way)...

Offensively...the Chiefs are SO MUCH MORE TALENTED than Denver it isn't even funny...so that's just hilarious.

You are out of your ****ing mind! I don't know if Orton could throw for 4k with the Bengals receivers.