Unfortunately, that's why I think you see Mays taking a lot of snaps. If only we could put Belcher's brain on Mays' body.

Thats what i meant about the Dorsey thing and Jackson


Just sucks that Jackson was the number three pick

That's the fault of the QB, not the receiver. McCluster's been running a ton of downfield routes and he's been running them well. It's no shocker that when Croyle was in the game, he was going to McCluster a lot.

yeah they did run higher tree number routes friday but when the play was a designed down field throw the Eagles were in the backfield due to blitzing or OL not pickin up the right reciever
and the McCluster hit was also due to position on the field. Near the endzone Cb's didn't drop much

its ****ing PRESEASON. do you think they will throw everything out there?

and when was the funeral?
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Thats a big part of the 3-4 is the de being in the right place which they weren't alot last year

I think everyone on CP should just get together and have a big brawl over Cassel, draftpicks, whatever else is hotly discussed.

To show you how much anyone respects the Chiefs throwing the ball very far,,

In a preseason game the Eagles played their safeties about as shallow as I can remember a team playing safeties,

Agreed and that is a very big reason why the inside run D seemed to be collapsing on the run better, even despite their talent problems in the middle. To no surprise, the one play where Jackson was badly out of position (as well as Mays and McGraw), boom, McCoy runs an 18-yard gut into the end zone.

If Cassel turns out to progress into an average quarterback under Weis, we can win 8 games

If Cassel doesnt progress like a normal human being can under premium coaching, we wont win more than 5.

Really simple as that, even given the deficiencies in the front 7 ...which I see taking major steps forward during the course of the year if they can stay healthy and continue to work at it. I can see Dorsey, DJ, Belcher, Hali and Studebaker surprisingg a lot of folks here by seasons end.

not just Samuel. Its happened twice in every PS game.

ALL OF THIS.

It's one thing to give your QB some weapons and protection, its a completely different thing when you spend as many high draft picks as we did to make up for horrible QB play.

Looking at all of the players we added to make Cassel look better: Lilja, Weigman, Jones, DMC, Arenas (the returner), Asamoah, Moeaki.

Looking at the players we added to improve against the run: Shaun Smith
Looking at the players we added to improve our pass rush: Sheffield






Yeah that is an oversimplification/stretch of the facts, but you get the point.

That is something giving me hope is that the front seven is pretty young outside of NT and maybe they can actually progress even maybe dramatically

we are just setting teams up for the long ball /knowmo of chiefs fans

So I was right?

wow are you just watching the game?

how long did it take you to come up with that? if you had thought of it earlier you would have posted it 35 times by now....
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Jason, I'm pretty tired of this excuse.

I've watched nearly every preseason game to date and most of the teams are running their full offenses, many with great success.

I don't see teams like Cincy, Indy, Green Bay, New England, New Orleans, Oakland, 49ers, Seahawks, Chargers or Denver making excuses.

The Chiefs offense has been bad, just as bad as its defense. It's amazing to me that people will ignore this and instead, prefer to use the "Pre-Season Excuse".

Also, to be fair, Arenas will help our pass rush a lot too. As will adding Berry and Lewis in the secondary.

It's a complete oversimplification of the facts.

We walked into the offseason with a shitty defense and a shitty offense. In an uncapped year, our best shot at free agents were free agents that we didn't have a shot at and 7 draft picks.

If they chose defense, they would have ignored a shitty offense. If they chose offense, which they did, they would have ignored a shitty defense.

We were going to suck on one side of the ball no matter what our strategy.

well we will know soon lil buddy, wont we?
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I bet this team could win 8 games with Thigpen at quarterback.

and dane i cant believe we are practicing plays for no reason. look at the tc reports, see how many long balls we have completed.
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Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC - LOSE
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

7-9

I will bet someone free dental work that the chiefs make the playoffs and matt cassel leads them there

Let's see them complete long balls against a real defense

wut

i am a dental student at umkc

and just kiddin bout that... gotta make a living somehow

I was referring to the later part of your statement.

PS - Good on you, Dude!

So dane what is your take on Studebaker and Dorsey

Real quickly because I have to head out and walk my Labs:

Dorsey has improved each season and I expect him to improve again this season. However, he's been playing out of position since he was drafted and would be a better player at the NT spot in a Dallas style 3-4. He'll be the best defensive lineman again this year, but that's not saying much.

I like Studebaker. He has the speed and size to be a serious player in the NFL. IMO, he should have been starting last year instead of Vrabel.

I look for him to have a breakout season, if Romeo lets him play.

Yeah same as my thoughts ..just took my lab for a walk prob the best dogs ever

Did KC really just give the Chiefs a win...over the 49ers? I hope that isn't a serious reply.

Thought I would throw this piece of fluff in.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...-citys-defense

Former Bucs and Broncos safety John Lynch was one of the most knowledgeable, insightful NFL players I’ve ever covered.

I enjoy catching up with him. His analysis is worth noting. That’s why Kansas City Chiefs fans have reason to be optimistic.

Lynch, who is know an analyst for FOX, saw the Chiefs play earlier in the preseason. The likely Hall of Fame safety believes the Chiefs have a chance to be strong on defense. This is fascinating because many people, myself included, think the Chiefs could be a strong team if the defense can come together.

The Chiefs’ offense has been better and has shown more improvements than the defense during much of the summer. However, the Kansas City defense did play well against Philadelphia on Friday, with the starters playing extensively.

Lynch believes the defense has a chance to develop. He is particularly impressed by rookie safety Eric Berry and veteran linebacker Tamba Hali. He thinks both players can make huge impacts and help elevate the unit.

“I really think the defense can make strides,” Lynch said. “They can do some things … I really like Berry. He is explosive.”

If Lynch is on to something, and I have no reason to doubt he is, perhaps a Kansas City revival is in the works.

The sad thing is this isn't any kind of "mastermind" game plan. They aren't trying to hide anything.This is the QB we have, expect much of the same ALL year long...4 maybe 5 wins tops.

I predict a 16 and OHHHHHHHHHHH! season.

Ahhh I had a big black lab for years, he was my best friend, I miss him :( His name was Max lol.

I hope we haven't been game planning much for these preseason games.

Not saying we will jut start throwing the ball all over down the field but Sept 13th will say a lot about what the "plan" is.

I think it's pretty simple, they are going to be a running offense with some play action when they want to go down field. Lot's of screens and slants as well to use JC and DMC's speed.

Problem is 3rd and long is not going to be kind.

The only way the down field passing game will be effective is if the running game is on.

You can win games that way with a good defense and ST. Welcome back to Marty ball!

I have a choc. lab who is two right now. they are just great solid dogs

Yeah but maybe just maybe we can throw it downfield just enough

Come on Ralphy, you sell yourself short. An autistic monkey could evaluate talent better than "gasp" the Godfather

Game plan. Who gives a shit? It's not like we have a secret weapon.

Psst...guess what? McCluster will be in the slot AND get some carries. Don't tell anyone!!!

Hey I could take a stout defense and good running game at this point :) But we have no respect for the deep threat and that will only end up bad. I hate to keep bagging on Cassel, but damn he really does suck IMHO.

2-14 with wins at home versus Oakland and Arizona.

LMAO

That's the thing. Weis' offense is a horizontal offense, at least it was when he was with the Patriots. I don't have a problem with the CHiefs not throwing deep much. But he does need to have at least the threat of throwing deep there. And to do well horizontally, you have to be a surgeon in terms of getting rid of that ball lightning quick and knowing where to go before the ball is snapped. Unless something drastic changes, Cassel is not that guy.

Nothing a little Luck wouldn't fix, eh? :)

I'll tell you what, with Weis' offense, you don't need outrageous talent at a lot of the offensive skill positions. You bring in a legit QB, and this offense is very close to being very good.

Agreed.

my gut thought (without looking at the schedule) is 6-10 or 7-9.

my 'actually look at the schedule' thought is as follows:

Wk1: SD @ KC - loss (0-1)--closer than many would imagine, we keep it within 10 points
Wk2: KC @ CLE - win (1-1)--defense and special teams FTW
Wk3: SF @ KC - loss (1-2)--san fran has a chance to be really good.
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - loss (1-3)--could be a blowout for indy, however we may keep it close due to it's being after the bye AND the umpires neutering peyton manning... heh, not really.
Wk6: KC @ HOU - loss (1-4)--houston should be good, they always play us tough. plus, second game of 2-game roadtrip. those are ALWAYS tough
Wk7: JAC @ KC - win (2-4)--jacksonville always plays us tough, but they likely aren't that great this year.
Wk8: BUF @ KC - win (3-4)--if our defense is clicking, we may give their young o-line fits (haha, I'm likely full of shit). either way, this is the type of game a good team wins. I'm not convinced we're a good team, but this is me being completely optimistic.
Wk9: KC @ OAK - loss, but I'm IFFY on this one. I have the feeling oaktown won't be as good as advertised this year. 3-5
Wk10: KC @ DEN - loss. 3-6. we always lose in denver, this is no different.
Wk11: ARI @ KC - win. 4-6. I have the feeling arizona won't be that great this year. I have the feeling, though, that we could lose this one AND the buffalo game, which would have us at 2-8.
Wk12: KC @ SEA - win (damn I'm optimistic... 5-6). I don't think seattle will be that good this year. this should be a very close game, though, unless cassel breaks out (HA).
Wk13: DEN @ KC - win (6-6). we always beat denver at home in december.
Wk14: KC @ SD - loss (6-7). sandy eggo is tough, no doubt.
Wk15: KC @ STL - win (7-7). st. lose should be shitty again this year
Wk16: TEN @ KC - win (8-7). OPTIMISM: chris johnson will be completely down for the count at this point, and we're able to tee-off on vince young.
Wk17: OAK @ KC - win (9-7). jesus ****, I had no idea that thing I just smoked was a crack pipe. if we're playing decently at this point, we have a chance to surprise some people.

if we somehow beat san diego week one, it could be 10-6

maybe it's some of my former youthful optimism, but the schedule says winning record to me. my head (ignoring schedule, which will likely be tougher than it appears) says 7-9. with some good breaks (and the shitty teams playing to form, and us NOT being shitty), 9-7.

Wk1: SD @ KC - Win
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIn
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIn
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - Lose
Wk6: KC @ HOU - Lose
Wk7: JAC @ KC - Win
Wk8: BUF @ KC - Win
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC - Win
Wk12: KC @ SEA - Lose
Wk13: DEN @ KC - Win
Wk14: KC @ SD - Lose
Wk15: KC @ STL - Win
Wk16: TEN @ KC - Lose
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

Overall Record 8-8[/QUOTE]

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - loss
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - loss
Wk6: KC @ HOU - loss
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - loss
Wk10: KC @ DEN - loss
Wk11: ARI @ KC - loss
Wk12: KC @ SEA - loss
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - loss
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - loss
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

6-10

Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSS
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSS
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSS
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSS
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSS
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSS
Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSS
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSS
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSS
Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN

7-9

I'd be happy if we win 3 of our last five games. Just show improvement throughout the season and hope the young guys get more experience for next year. I could give a shit less about the ol timers on this team that wont be here in the next season or two.

SOMEONE, PLEASE explain to me how the Chiefs will beat the 49ers.

Please.

Lock Franklin and Willis and Gore in a closet until the game is over?

They wont.

We beat the Steelers last year, anything is possible. I don't expect to beat the 9ers but anything is possible. With Jamaal & Dexter we can score from any where on the field. Even with Cassel this team can win despite him. It wont be pretty or glamorous. Just flat out dump offs & screens to our backs & a defense that may get some big plays out of Berry & Flowers. Ya never know?

And to think I thought we needed a Qb, boy was I stupid,,,

The Chiefs beat the Steelers because Polamalu was out for the year and Roethlisberger was out with a concussion late in the game.

It wasn't because the Chiefs were the better team entering the game.

So, outside of major injury to the 49ers, how are the Chiefs going to beat that team?

SD: L
@CLE: W
SF: L
@ IND: L
@Hou: L
Jac: W
Buf: W
@Oak: L
@Den: W
Ari: L
@Sea: L
Den: W
@SD: L
@STL: W
Ten: L
Oak: W
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7-9

Once again, I am the lead "Horseman"

I didn't say we would win i just stated a possibility. GOD I HATE CASSEL!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

.Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - WIN
Wk3: SF @ KC - WIN
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSE
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - WIN
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE
Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - WIN
Wk17: OAK @ KC . WIN

Man I must really have drank the kool-Aid!!!! 10-6 which I doubt they go, but when I go through all the games that's what I come out with. Never even thought they could go 10-6, but you look at their schedule and it couldn't get much easier than that for a team.

I don't think they'll win 7 games because they are on the right track, I think they'll win 7 games because they'll play about 11 games against teams that will draft in the top 10 next year, 9 if the Raiders don't.

Denver, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Buffalo will all pick in the top five in 2011. Jacksonville, Seattle, and Arizona will pick in the top 10. Oakland could do anything, and even Tennessee is poised for a crash and burn year.

Alex Smith. Jimmy Raye?


The Niners have never won in Arrowhead.

These days, everyone is winning at Arrowhead.

They really aren't that impressive. The only thing the Chiefs will have to do is stop Gore and he gets hurt pretty easily. Honestly theres a 50/50 chance they win that game.

1 Sep 13 SD @ KC L
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE L
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC L
4 Bye

5 Oct 10 KC @ IND L
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU L
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC W
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC L
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK L
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN L
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC L
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA L
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC W
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD L
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL W
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC L
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC W

4-12

Okay

12-4 AFC West Title
Lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Tamba Hali, 13 sacks.
Charles, 1300 yds rushing - 18 TDs
Bowe 1100 yds receiving 9 Tds
McCluster 459 yds rec. 4 TDs
Chambers 727 yds rec. 5 Tds
Jones 813 yds Rushing 11 Tds
Berry - 3 INT, 1 Sack, 2 TD

I remember my last foray in to MDMA. Good times, good times...:)

The 49ers are a Chiefs true fans wet dream other than Smith was a #1 pick.

3 first round OL, check.
Great RB check.
Great TE check.
Playmakers on the outside check.

Very sold defense that has one of the best players in the league on it..check.

Really Alex Smith should at the very least be average with what's around him, the talent is there so we'll see how he does.

That team is far ahead of the Chiefs, they could beat the Chiefs handing off up the middle every play. Also with the passes Cassel throws with Pat Willis roaming that could be ugly...

Also with the lack of speed the Chiefs still have on defense, CJ Spiller coming in here does not make that Buffalo game a lock...

Id be surprised if they dont rush for more than 225 yards on us and Cassel throws for over 100 yards.

I think they beat us by at least two touchdowns.

Hope Im wrong.

ok, for fun, same players - offer some predicted stats =)

On top of that, who the **** is gonna cover Vernon Davis?

Mike Vrable!

Oh, wait.

Jovan Belcher!

Dj with safety help deep i'd figure.

DJ underneath and getting help from Lewis and Berry deep.

Our corners should be able to man up on their wideouts and we should be able to blitz the shit out of the run game and Smith which (hopefully) should force them into a couple turnovers.

The problem wont be our defense against their offense, it will be our offense against their defense IMO. I see them forcing us into a couple untimely turnovers and running the ball to kill us cause we will have trouble stopping their power run game.