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Come on dude... They lowered it to further entice action... As in...90% of the money was on San Diego at -5.5... But that doesn't mean a lot of money was being bet... Vegas lowered it to make it an even more attractive game to put money on... 5.5 to 4.5 isn't a SIGNIFCANT point in the NFL... The wouldn't have moved it from 6.5 to 5.5...or 3.5 to 2.5... I'm betting they think it will be a 3 or 4 point game...either way...so lowering it a point from 5.5 to 4.5 in a sport where 3, 6, 7, and 10 points are common finals (like 20-17)...just entices more action on something they consider a lock. It catches the eyes of the public... they see San Diego (-4.5) against those shitty Chiefs and are like "hell yeah, that's a lock!" and they bet it... and Vegas wants that because they are sold on the Chiefs and the cover... it's why the public LOSES a shit ton of money every year... Vegas doesn't lose. |
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Why are the Chargers that much better?
Easy. There's a huge difference between QBs. Ours is sorry. Theirs is one of the best in the game. If they were even close I could see giving the advantage to the Chiefs. QB and the fact that our run D is pretty bad. Doesn't mean we can't win Monday night though. The better team doesn't always win in a single game. |
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Either way... I like Mathews but he's a rookie... Rivers and Gates are great... But they are inexperienced everywhere else and their defense doesn't put one blister of fear into me... I'm sorry bro...I have a different opinion... I think it will be a 3 or 4 point game...either way. Whoever gets that one bounce. And that's what Vegas thinks, too... so at least I have LAS FREAKING VEGAS on my side... |
Here are my QB rankings by the way:
1. Manning 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Rivers 5. Rodgers 6. Romo 7. Roethlisberger 8. McNabb (has nothing to do with fantasy) |
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oh, they did win the AFC that one year. But best not to mention it -- just thinking about that SB beat down is really depressing for them. |
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I ****ing hate you ****ing Boston pieces of shit. You win a few championships finally after never having won any and you turn into the ****ing Reaper16 of the NFL. |
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but anyways... Rivers is the X factor...if he plays amazingly (which I could surely see)...we lose. If the Chiefs control the clock and Charles/McCluster and Jones open up the play-action game... I could certainly see the Chiefs being the talk of the town after MNF... I don't expect a miracle...but I do expect a 7 win team, minimum this year...with not much of a higher ceiling... The pessimism of the drafturbators is to be expected...they see no improvement and that is laughable to say the least... |
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Yeah, Cassel throwing three yard outs in play action will make ALL the difference. You're funny, Dude. |
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I hate Boston more than I hate New York now and I never thought that would be possible... |
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Then show us how those improvements will help the Chiefs to overcome the 30 point losses suffered at the hands of the Chargers last year. Convince me. |
We're winning this ****ing game. End of discussion.
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We'll see on Monday Night. I just laid out the facts for how ignorant your 20+ bullshit was... I'll side with Vegas...you can side with your drafturbator buddies who take Bruce Campbell in the 1st round... |
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Vegas is siding with the Chiefs (to at least cover)...meaning it's going to be a good game. I laid out all of those facts for you... Now I'm just ready to see some real game action on Monday night and I'm not going to let you morons ruin that for me like you ruin every other Chiefs discussion on this board. |
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What you hate are teams/cities that win championships other than your own. Oh, and that the Pats owned Peyton's ass for the first half of his career. Don't be bitter. Or be bitter, I don't care. I'll just throw in a tape of us winning the SB, or kicking the Colts and/or Chargers' ass in the playoffs, repeatedly, to comfort myself. :evil: |
Congrats Amnorix...
I envy those roided up World Series and Spygate Super Bowls! Awesome job, brah! Your World Series hero was in the Mitchell Report and your Super Bowls were brought to you via cheating! TAINTED LOVE |
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YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT! TEAM AMERICA BERRY! **** YA! |
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They'd probably have 12 straight Super Bowls right now... Too bad Peyton got stuck with Dungy... Could you imagine Peyton KNOWING WHAT THE DEFENSE WAS GOING TO DO before snapping the ball during Brady's spygate era?!?!? I mean, he's already pretty good at predicting...but just imagine if he KNEW FOR SURE... man the dude would put up a perfect QB rating for an entire season! |
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SpyGate -- give me a break. But whatever gives you comfort in your hours of nursing your bitterness... |
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:rolleyes: Doesn't it disturb you that you fellate him so very thoroughly? I mean, it's one thing to thinkg someone is good, but to drop trou as fast as you do for a guy isn't really anything I want to witness... |
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This is an AWESOME post! LMAO I'm absolutely certain that I, me personally, haven't ruined a ****ing game for you, EVER. Am *I* responsible for the Chiefs poor drafts this decade? Did *I* choose shit coordinators and coaches? Am *I* the person responsible for going 4-12, 2-14 and 4-12? Am I? |
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or Joe Namath... or Johnny Unitas... We're witnessing a once in a lifetime QB and I'll be damned if I don't soak it in as it's happening...someday I'll be able to tell my grandkids I got to watch Peyton Manning every week for his entire career. |
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THE WHOLE MLB WAS ROIDING WICKED HAARD, DUDE!
DONT EVEN ACT LIKE EVERY COACH WASNT FILMING THE OTHER SIDELINE. TOM TERRIFIC WON ALL THOSE GAMES FOR US FAIR AND SQUARE. |
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New QB? Nope. New pass rushing beast? Nope. Run stuffing NT? Nope. 4-12, Hootie, 4-12. Just like last year. |
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Chiefs keep it within 10 if they don't turn the ball over. Fans come on after the game and tell us how the team is improved. |
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And please note the awesome post-"Oops; busted"!-success those chowder-eating ****heads have enjoyed since! "But-but...they compete every year"! Yeah, well, send Martyocrity a thank you note, 'kay? |
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Everyone knows their role now, or knows it better. Everyone is more familiar with the offense. Better players... More experience... Easier schedule... But hey... We will see. I'm tired of arguing... I'm just looking forward to the season...I am an optimist and I don't have to apologize to anyone for that. |
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It used to be very annoying having them try and say otherwise... Of course I've known the truth since 2003... |
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Even without that stuff they shoudl NOT be 4-12. They've had another year in the system, including most importantly the QB. They should have adjusted to the new philosophies, and begun building off the knowledge they had last year. Berry is a very solid pick, and you'd think Romeo and Charlie would be an improvement. Not that I'm predicting playoffs or anything. Hell, 8-8 would be fantastic, IMHO, but they shouldn't go 4-12 again. |
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Your bitterness is showing. You're also mumbling. Try to remove the penis blocking your airways... |
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damn I always thought he was captain clutch? whatever happened?!? OH YEAH THEY GOT CAUGHT CHEATING...WITH EVIDENCE SO BAD IT HAD TO BE DESTROYED... almost forgot |
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Until I see evidence of improvement on the field (something I did not see during preseason), it's hard for me to imagine this team winning more than six games. I see 6-10 as a logical prediction but I could also see them at 4-12. Personally, I think they're stuck in neutral. They probably won't get blown out by 20+ per game as often as last year, but they haven't added the necessary personnel to get this team even close to .500. |
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And ask ANY Patriots fan, or any reasonably unbiased football fan who saw the game, and I think they would ascribe just a smidge more blame to the Pats overwhelmed offensive line than to Brady. Oh, and to helmet catch. Did I metnion Pick Six? Pick Six? Besides, HTF did you get into this with me? I was shooting at Buck you dumbass. |
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what was playing the worst game in a season that was one decent game away from always being remembered? his smug response to Plaxico suggesting they'd only score 17 points... Brady shit the bed...Brady's choke job (over the course of the whole game) cost the Pats immortality... Manning made one bad pass the entire game in a season where the Colts would have won 2 games had he not been the league MVP and starting/in uniform every single game...just like every single year. Brady goes out in game one... and... BEFORE HE EVER GOT INJURED...I HAVE ARCHIVED POSTS ON THIS BOARD SUGGESTING THAT HE WAS OVERRATED BECAUSE EVEN HIS INEXPERIENCED, HASN'T STARTED A GAME SINCE HIGH SCHOOL BACKUP COULD COME IN AND LEAD THAT TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS... well I was almost right... he led them to 11 wins...but they got ****ed out of the playoffs (and who the hell knows what would have happened had they made a WC...with BB...who knows???)... so yeah... Brady is overrated. He's great. But he is 1/10th of the QB Peyton Manning is...and Manning will...easily, without a doubt...go down as the greatest to ever play the game. If anyone in any sport has ever been close to MJ... we're looking at him |
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Honestly, blaming Brady instead of the OLine for the Giants game is idiotic. As is this debate, which is neither new nor newly interesting. At least Brady can point to the OLIne for losing that game. Manning can't blame anybody for that pick six. </EMBED> |
so Brady gets to blame his line but when Peyton did it years ago he was just being a bad teammates/baby...
lolololol just admit Peyton Manning >>> Tom Brady and I'll never bring it up to you again |
Shall we post a poll on here about whether it was Brady or his offensive line who should be blamed for losing the game?
We saw what Brady did when he was healthy and had the weapons around him that Manning has had his entire career -- undefeated until losing in the SB by the skin of their teeth, and a new record for TDs in a season. I've said this before and I'll say it again -- both are great QBs and I wouldn't be unhyappy to have either on my team. The only reason I even discuss this with you is because of your stupid thought that Manning is to Brady what Michael Jordan is to, oh, I don't know, Greg Kite. It's reeruned. Beyond reeruned. But yeah, Peyton wouldn't have won any more championships than Tom did. Sorry to disappoint you on that one. |
Take the preseason game the Saints vs the Chargers. With both teams had their first units played in the first half, the score was tied 14-14. Rivers rallied both TDs. Matthew ran wild at first and was contended later. Expect the outcome to be similar, Rivers will do most the damage. Matthew will run for a while until the defense figures him out then his yardage would be dropped off.
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hootie's takes on brady are a kind of reerunation it is hard to fathom....
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its going to come down to tunovers,rivers against our secondary in the fourth quarter!
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Oh **** New England already.
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People thinking Brady is off his game because he only had 4400 yards passing and 28 TDs is a sign that the guy really is on another level.
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The guy just hasn't been to a Superbowl in 2 years (one of which he's on the IR) so he must be washed up. |
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I understand how @#@@ the chiefs have made us feel over the last several years, all I am saying is that with their best O-Lineman holding out, as well as their best WR, having a rookie running back we have a very good chance to beat the chargers.
Do I think its a sure thing? Absolutely not but I think we have at least a 50/50 chance and I think there is no reason why we can't win the division, this is about as weak as I can remember in the last 20 years. Yes they are better at QB, a lot better but after that and TE, we are just as good if not better in many areas. I just don't see how they are that much better, if at all. It does not really matter, we will see come Monday night, if they lay a turd then everyone on the board that thinks we suck will be on the right track, if we win that I hope you speak up as well. 4 days baby!!!!!!!!! |
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The Chiefs couldn't win this division if Denver, San Diego & Oakland all took detours into the Bermuda Triangle before facing the Chiefs. |
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Goddamn, all of you are reeruned. Just get out of this thread until Monday night.
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Seriously, I'm a fan of both teams, they're the only 2 teams I follow each and every week, and they have a considerable amount in common. Both teams have hard assed front offices that in recent history routinely make terrible personnel decisions. Both teams run 3-4 defenses and both have practice squad caliber defensive fronts and undermanned inside linebackers. Both have lackluster offensive tackle play. Both teams have pretty good corners and both have (or should have) 1 good safety. Both have a scheme built around a strong running game.
The main difference is QB, TE, scheme, and things a QB allows them to do in scheme. I'm sure Haley would love to get down the field but Cassell can't throw anything deeper than 10 yards. Rivers is accurate with the deep ball, has Gates to draw congestion to the middle, has a dynamite safety valve in Sproles, and all that allows Norv a lot of versatility in play calling. The other main difference I see is D coordinator. Ron Rivera schemed the chargers D to a top 15 ranking in points allowed with nothing to work with other than smoke and mirrors. That team defensively had no business being 13-3 last year. They've been dead last or 2nd to last in QB pressures the prior 3 years and gave up nearly 5 yds/carry on the ground to at least one rusher in the majority of games they played, the majority of their defense grades out at well below average, but they were still able to make enough plays when it counted because of the way Rivera used them. I saw nothing in preseason to indicate any major change in scheme or approach for the Chiefs 3-4. Crennell still has Ron Edwards playing a 2-gap role but he can be effectively blocked with just a center. Tyson Jackson is a 4-3 left defensive end playing out of position. Dorsey tries but he's not big enough to effectively be a force doing what they're asking him to do. The end result is an easy ~5 yards thru the a-gaps on the majority of inside runs. The Parcells 3-4 (which Romeo runs) is outdated and has been for a couple of years now. That's why Miami brought in Mike Nolan. That's largely why the Pats got gutted for 250 on the ground against the Ravens and knocked out of the playoffs. For an alternate 1-shade/1-gap approach (which the personnel is better suited for) watch the Cowboys under Phillips. When your front line is overmatched you concede yards on the ground, concede TOP and generally have to get a lot of quick scores to win. The Saints & Pats can get away with it because of their offense. The basic problem with the chiefs is their approach offensively doesn't match up to what they can do defensively. They might be able to pressure the QB a bit and hold up on the back end in the passing game, but being a team that runs to win they need to be able to stop the run and force teams into consistent 3rd and long situations so they can get after the QB and let their secondary fly around and make plays. Notice around the league virtually all the teams that run the ball for high yardage are generally very good at stopping the run. Most of the teams that throw the ball for big yardage are good at pressuring the QB. Until the Chiefs get to the point where their O and D complement each other opposing teams will be able to play day 1 install and drive the ball, run the clock, play conservative D and know that Cassell & the passing game will eventually shit the bed. Last year it generally didn't take much longer than a quarter or so for that to happen. We'll see. |
I'm just saying that with their best WR out as well as their best OLine man who happens to be the left tackle and with all of the upgrades we have done over the season, I think we have a real shot at beating them. We will see come Monday night if I'm way off or not but looking at it on paper, its looks very close.
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Just responding to talking can, people that try and put others down, I have zero patience for...
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i mean, you're defending hootie for christ sake
the man likes to pee on his friends in the shower |
If we have any shot at beating the Chargers it's this game...
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