Gabbert was ****ing horrendous today too, but it doesn't help when the OC isn't calling downfield passing plays.

Either way, all of these QBs will have just enough warts so that the anti-QB crowd can throw a shit fit at the thought of drafting any of them.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, as the case may be), I didn't see the Mizzou game today. Regarding Locker, I just haven't seen it with this kid. I like Mallett and Gabbert far more.

Not ready to take a position on Luck, yet.

I don't think so. There is a clear line of deficiency that has been drawn in the sand. It's common, accepted knowledge among a large base that we could be competitive THIS YEAR with an improvement at the position that doesn't require(though we should always seek)an "Elway/Young" at the position.

It's coming. Be patient.

Locker was playing against one of the best defensive backfields in the country today. I didn't get to see Missouri today. What was up with Gabbert?

Well, I only listened to the game on the radio, but Gabbert threw two back breaking picks when we needed him the most, he was also very inaccurate save for a stretch in the second quarter.

Again, it doesn't help that we have no running game and that all our passes are 0-5 yards downfield. Gabbert plays better the more we stretch the field.

Yost and Pinkel simply have to go.

I don't know why we don't implement more traditional sets with our offense. We have decent size on the line and a number of large WRs and TEs who can beat single coverage. I actually think the spread makes this a worse offense.

And this had very little impact on his day today. He was flat out ****ing awful. Missed wide open receivers and demonstrated precious little presence in the pocket.

In other words, as a Chiefs fan, I felt very comfortable with what I was watching.

FWIW, SDSU runs a 3-3-5, which means that our offense, which is predictable and stupid, to quote the great Clubber Lang, is tailor made for them.

Gabbert sounded like he was high with a lot of throws, but again, our inability to run the ball against 5 and 6 in the box is what killed us. 3 YPC against a front like that is simply unacceptable.

However, TJ Moe is Jordan Shipley, so we do have that going for us.

Couldn't agree more. Watched the Nebraska game with my BIL today, and we had this very same conversation about our respective programs.

The system dependence and tunnel vision demonstrated by too many coaching staffs...troubling this crap is.

When presented with a foundational change vs. an instant impact player, most fans will always take the latter.

If we are offered a pass rusher instead of a QB, I'll bet we take the pass rusher. Furthermore, if we draft in the middle of the round, I wouldn't be surprised to see a surge of "draft the NT or draft the C" crowd.

So, I was never a fan of drafting Locker all the way through his sophomore season. After last year, watching his accuracy increase I thought he had all the tools to be an NFL quarterback and pimped him endlessly.

People in Seattle talk about the playcalling, they talk about the poor offensive line play, and it all feels so familiar as a Chiefs fan. What I saw was a guy that doesn't have the poise to stand in the pocket and deliver an accurate pass. He gets nervous back there, and once that happens, the ball gets overthrown. That's his M.O.

Regardless of whether Nebraska has one of the best defenses in the Nation or not, the NFL has a lot more to offer than the blackshirts do. This guy is flat out not ready and will be a project at best. I'm a ****ing idiot homer. What else is new?

Locker had one pick that was negated on a holding call that was one of the worst decisions I've seen a QB make in some time. He ran backwards from the rush, turned around, and winged a jump ball into the middle of double coverage as he was falling back.

Yeah, that shit will be the same as always amongst the asses but if The Guy is Right; I wouldn't be surprised in the least by a move-up on the part of the actual decision-makers in this thing.

And in this case, wouldn't the two types of players be one in the same?

I wasn't just trolling when I made this thread I really do see alot of Cassel in Locker. Don't worry Flop Sark has Washington on the right track and you guys are some of the best fans in college football.

I have no emotional investments in ANY of these college QB's. I want the Right Mother****er for my Chiefs. Period.

http://www.moviecatcher.net/images/d...er-in-tron.jpg

He'll disc Locker's ass right back to the 64-bit age, bitch.

And I don't think a pass rusher would necessarily be a bad decision to make, but it would depend on what was done at the quarterback position prior to that. This is a tough discussion to have right now, without knowing what Cassel is going to do the rest of the season, what they decide to do with him after it's over, who they choose to replace him with if he is gone, and whether it's someone they find in March or at the end of April. Hell, we don't even know where they're picking at this point. Maybe it's five, maybe it's 15.

I know someone who has been saying this for awhile. :)

I've been watching Husky fans make excuses for this guy for four years now and he still has accomplished nothing. He still sprays the ball all over and he would still rather take off with the ball rather than go through his progressions. He is Tyler Thigpen with better publicity.

Unfortunately, it looks like Washington is going to be fighting my Beavers and USC for mid pack in the PAC-10. Stanford, AZ and Oregon look like the class this year. :(

I was trying to say all year that I wouldn't take Locker.

I watched parts of the Florida State BYU game and Ponder looked very good. Did anyone see the entire game to have a better report on him?

Ponder is a stud. He has already received his Masters in Business Administration from Florida State, is physically developed for the next level, has excellent pocket awareness, and is very accurate. His only knock is that he doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but it's still quite good.

He's top 20 draft material and probably fits the Chiefs system better than the other top quarterbacks that might be in the 2011 draft.

It's going to come down to WR (Green/Jones/Floyd), OLB (Miller) or QB (Ponder/Mallet/Luck/Locker) for their first rounder.

Well, another knock is that he is a head case.

Yeah, I hate those "head cases" that get their MBA before their four years of eligibility is up. I mean, taking graduate business administration classes, which means you've already killed 120 undergrad hours plus another 60 grad hours and whatever intern level bullshit you have to put up with to get the MBA, shows that this guy is a complete head case. Psycho.

Plus the fact that he has an NFL ready physique, and can actually hit a guy in stride.

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/F...IpzsfCJQml.jpg

I have had visions of Locker in red, but...I really don't care who we get as long as they fill the vacancy left by cassel.

I'm on the Chiefs drafting a QB bandwagon this offseason and I thought Locker could be one of those intriguing guys.

Not any more.

I understand everybody has bad games but some of his decisions where just flat out bad. With a pass rush in his face what does he did? Throw a Brett Farve esk prayer jump ball. What?

Furthmore, I didn't see a single throw that really impressed me.

Pass on this guy. I don't want our next QB to be "raw" as the announcers were saying.

has a college player ever lost more money in a single game?


dude was a #1 pick in walter's mock put out 3 days ago

http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php

Walters, killing the Chiefs, again:

San Francisco 49ers: Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
Outside of Matt Cassel, Jake Delhomme and Trent Edwards, Alex Smith was the worst quarterback in all the season openers. Unlike Kevin Kolb, he played the whole game, and unlike Jason Campbell, he has the talent around him to succeed. If Smith keeps playing like this,the 49ers won't have a choice. They'll have to draft a quarterback.

Christian Ponder struggled against Oklahoma, but I have to believe he'll turn things around and build some momentum against the weak ACC. And with some character issues soon surfacing regarding Ryan Mallett, Ponder will be the clear-cut No. 3 quarterback in the 2011 NFL Draft.

This is my least favorite pick in my 2011 NFL Mock Draft because it's slightly too early for Ponder - especially after that Oklahoma game - but the fact remains that reaching for a quarterback is better than continuously starting a dreadful one.

The Right QB, Frankie. NOT LB, RT, C, or towel-boy.

Amen.

Stinkel is not allowed to ever leave. Worst game day coach ever?

It's going to be a very deep QB draft. I really think that you'll find an excellent QBOTF in the 2nd round or so. However, there isn't a pure 3-4 rush backer like Miller available unless you pick Miller. It's a pick your poison type of thing.

I really like Ponder a lot. But the problem is, you never know what you are getting in a college quarterback until they hit the field. You know what you are getting in Miller - a guy with a wicked first step and insane speed.

As far as quarterbacks go, there are going to be a lot of really solid pro prospects beyond the obvious hyped guys like Mallet and Locker.

Pat Devlin of Delaware has all the tools - a strong arm that's accurate and good pocket presence.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lLsdaCVk3K...atDevlin03.jpg

Andy Dalton is tearing it up again this year.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BwMQiTTD5A...ndy+Dalton.jpg

And you'll have to wait and see which underclassman declares as the 2012 crop of QB's might be even better with guys like Nick Foles of Arizona, Blaine Gabbert of Missouri, Terrelle Pryor of Ohio State, Matt Barkley of USC (sophomore this year), Andrew Luck of Stanford (redshirt sophomore this year), John Brantley of Florida, Kellen Moore of Boise State (Jesus, this kid really looks good - completely poised with an amazing touch, but he'll get downgraded because he's not prototypical size.), Garrett Gilbert of Texas (sophomore this year), etc.

If the Chiefs were to pull the trigger on a QB this year, I'm for Ponder. However, there isn't a guy who's come out in the past couple of years who is like Von Miller. He's the absolute prototype for a rush linebacker in a 3-4 set and he's got one of the best first steps I've ever seen. It's Derrick Thomas level good. And the Chiefs pass rush is anemic. I don't think that they can pass on a guy like Miller. Shore up the O-line in subsequent rounds, get them into the system, and go for a QB in 2012. :shrug:

Yost called a lot of downfield passing plays in the first half, Gabbert just couldn't hit them.

Gabbert is exclusively responsible for his struggles yesterday. Not Pinkel, not Yost, not even Jackson. He played like shit and missed any deep throws he tried in the first half, so Yost dialed down the playcalling in the 2nd.

I liked the playcalling a lot in the first half, but Gabbert showed he couldn't shoulder the load on this particular day.

You draft your QB in the first round period.

How's that Akili Smith jersey fit?

ROFL

perfect


"oh noes, it is risky!!!!!!"


true fan 101...you're smarter than that

I already said I'd have no problem taking a guy like Ponder in the first as I think he's got the right set of tools to excel in Weis' offensive system. But it is risky. And I would rather not have them reach on a guy in the first just because he plays the quarterback position. And especially I would hope that the front office has the foresight to look at potential guys for future drafts, especially at the QB position.

But a pure outside rusher is just as rare as the franchise quarterback and I wouldn't mind them taking Miller either.

Hell, I wouldn't mind one of the wide receivers either, but they aren't the premiere position that a QB, OLB/Rush End, LOT is.

For every Peyton Manning, there is the Joe Montana. For every Troy Aikmen, there is a Tom Brady. For every Brian Brohm, there is a Jamarcus Russell. I have no idea where I'm going with this.

Christian Ponder? Wow talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

Jacory Harris's name should be mentioned.

That's another reason I like him a lot. The announcers said he finished his undergrad work in 2.5 years, already has the MBA and working on a 2nd masters. He has 'success' written all over him.

This X 10

Good info. This gives me an idea. I'm going to start a "QB draft prospects" thread strictly dedicated to this position. Please put all your info/opinion there as the year goes on. With all due respect to billay this thread is getting a bit muddy with all the talk about other positions.

So can we put this debate to rest?

No we need Locker to step it up so one of the good QBs fall to us.

Locker, wherefore art thou, Locker?

Paging Locker, please report.