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Amnorix 01-13-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7352060)
ROFL ROFL ROFL God bless you Wes Welker.


Just another reason to love Wes. ROFL

JD10367 01-13-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7351921)
You gotta be kidding me -- I know exactly how good we have it. I lived through 2-14 and 1-15 seasons and the biggest Super Bowl blowout loss in NFL history at the time.

Ben Dreith and Tony Eason. Victor Kiam and PenisGate (or whatever you want to call it). Irving Fryar and the kitchen knife incident. Ken Sims and being the "Patsies". Bill Parcells, buying groceries and the "we're playing in the Super Bowl, great, let me start negotiating with my team's rivals about jumping ship". Dick MacPherson and Ron Ehrhart and Rod Rust.

Marino/Shula and Kelly/Levy kicking our ass every year.

DON'T TELL ME I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD I HAVE IT. I'VE GONE FROM THE OUTHOUSE TO THE PENTHOUSE, AND LIFE IS ****ING SWEET!

I have a feeling you and I (and LiveSteam) are around the same age. I find it funny that people who say "Patriots fans don't know how good they have it" probably don't themselves remember how bad the Patriots used to be, or all those incidents you mentioned. Zeke Mowatt waving "Little Zeke" at Lisa Olsen. Fryar's wife going after him with a knife. "Roughing the passer" causing one of the best teams in Patriots history to miss out. The joy of being the first team to win three road games to make it to the Super Bowl, quickly crushed by the Bears. Making it back 10 years later only to have ****ing Favre celebrating instead. Aside from two quick peaks in the mid-80s and mid-90s, it was brutal around here. Back when the Colts were in the divison, and the AFCE was all about the Shula and Marino Dolphins and then later the Levy and Kelly Bills, and the Patriots and Colts were left to play in the annual "Toilet Bowl" against each other. First game I went to, as a teen in the 80s, the Browns broke Grogan's leg and beat the Patriots at that metal bowl of a piece of shit they called Sullivan/Schaefer Stadium. Next time I went, they lost to the freakin' Houston Oilers. We had ONE player in Canton, and he was a friggin' O-lineman. Our most historical moment was when an ex-convict drove a snowplow onto the field to beat the mighty Dolphins. Our second-most historical moment was when the owner's son got punched out by Matt Millen.

JD10367 01-13-2011 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7352060)
ROFL ROFL ROFL God bless you Wes Welker.

I don't like it. I prefer the Patriots do what they do best, which is take the high road and say nothing until they've won the game. This just shows that Ryan actually accomplished his goal, which was to get in the heads of the Patriots and distract them. I think I'm revising my prediction now, to a tight game and a FG win by New England.

The_Doctor10 01-13-2011 03:07 PM

Epic Win for Wes Welker.

blaise 01-13-2011 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7352112)
I don't like it. I prefer the Patriots do what they do best, which is take the high road and say nothing until they've won the game. This just shows that Ryan actually accomplished his goal, which was to get in the heads of the Patriots and distract them. I think I'm revising my prediction now, to a tight game and a FG win by New England.

Seems to me that the Pats are laughing about it, more than stressing out about it and letting it get in their heads.

Amnorix 01-13-2011 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7352096)
I have a feeling you and I (and LiveSteam) are around the same age. I find it funny that people who say "Patriots fans don't know how good they have it" probably don't themselves remember how bad the Patriots used to be, or all those incidents you mentioned. Zeke Mowatt waving "Little Zeke" at Lisa Olsen. Fryar's wife going after him with a knife. "Roughing the passer" causing one of the best teams in Patriots history to miss out. The joy of being the first team to win three road games to make it to the Super Bowl, quickly crushed by the Bears. Making it back 10 years later only to have ****ing Favre celebrating instead. Aside from two quick peaks in the mid-80s and mid-90s, it was brutal around here. Back when the Colts were in the divison, and the AFCE was all about the Shula and Marino Dolphins and then later the Levy and Kelly Bills, and the Patriots and Colts were left to play in the annual "Toilet Bowl" against each other. First game I went to, as a teen in the 80s, the Browns broke Grogan's leg and beat the Patriots at that metal bowl of a piece of shit they called Sullivan/Schaefer Stadium. Next time I went, they lost to the freakin' Houston Oilers. We had ONE player in Canton, and he was a friggin' O-lineman. Our most historical moment was when an ex-convict drove a snowplow onto the field to beat the mighty Dolphins. Our second-most historical moment was when the owner's son got punched out by Matt Millen.

Yeah, sounds like we are about the same age.

God i forgot about that idiot getting punched out by Millen. Can you imagine Jonathan Kraft being such a total schmuck?

KcMizzou 01-13-2011 04:08 PM

LMAO

http://deadspin.com/5732917/

Can't embed.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2011 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7351891)
Meh.

Manning was dealt a lousy hand.

They need to can that whole damn coaching staff...every single one of them. Start clean.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAit's never Manning's fault. Awesome.LMAO

Pioli Zombie 01-13-2011 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7350637)
Tom Brady strikes me as the type of guy who would spend his free time lounging around in women's underwear.

If I could **** the women he ****s any time he wants I would put on a ballerina outfit and dance through Hyvee.

Dylan 01-13-2011 06:05 PM

Brady admits to taunting opponents. It won't end the arrogance they have, but it is a strategic concept to guide opponents' defenses going forward.

Oh well, "Out of the mouths of babes"


Excerpts: Today's New York Post.

Patriots' Brady says 'I've been called worse'

The Patriots quarterback brushed off Antonio Cromartie's colorful insults yesterday, but he didn't deny the Jets' accusations that he provokes other teams with antics during the game.

Brady began by scoffing when told of a report that Cromartie had called him an "a--hole."

"I've been called worse," he said. "I'm sure there's a long list of people that feel that way."

But when prodded by The Post about whether what was driving Cromartie's comment -- that Brady points fingers and taunts foes, a claim coach Rex Ryan also made -- is true, the three-time Super Bowl MVP appeared to come clean a bit.

"I'm an emotional player," Brady said, smiling slightly. "It's all in the spirit of the game. It's a competition."


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/...#ixzz1AxlWCM2Y

o:-)

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2011 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7352096)
I have a feeling you and I (and LiveSteam) are around the same age. I find it funny that people who say "Patriots fans don't know how good they have it" probably don't themselves remember how bad the Patriots used to be, or all those incidents you mentioned. Zeke Mowatt waving "Little Zeke" at Lisa Olsen. Fryar's wife going after him with a knife. "Roughing the passer" causing one of the best teams in Patriots history to miss out. The joy of being the first team to win three road games to make it to the Super Bowl, quickly crushed by the Bears. Making it back 10 years later only to have ****ing Favre celebrating instead. Aside from two quick peaks in the mid-80s and mid-90s, it was brutal around here. Back when the Colts were in the divison, and the AFCE was all about the Shula and Marino Dolphins and then later the Levy and Kelly Bills, and the Patriots and Colts were left to play in the annual "Toilet Bowl" against each other. First game I went to, as a teen in the 80s, the Browns broke Grogan's leg and beat the Patriots at that metal bowl of a piece of shit they called Sullivan/Schaefer Stadium. Next time I went, they lost to the freakin' Houston Oilers. We had ONE player in Canton, and he was a friggin' O-lineman. Our most historical moment was when an ex-convict drove a snowplow onto the field to beat the mighty Dolphins. Our second-most historical moment was when the owner's son got punched out by Matt Millen.

God, I remember being 12 years old and my friends and I just pissing ourselves with laughter at the utter ass-whipping Chicago threw down on NE.:evil:

LiveSteam 01-13-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7352833)
God, I remember being 12 years old and my friends and I just pissing ourselves with laughter at the utter ass-whipping Chicago threw down on NE.:evil:

UMMMMMMMMM!!
It still hurts

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7352840)
UMMMMMMMMM!!
It still hurts

"Okay, let's put the lard-assed lineman in for a quick TD"!

"Check"! LMAO

Over-Head 01-13-2011 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7352859)
"Okay, let's put the lard-assed lineman in for a quick TD"!

"Check"! LMAO

I'll never forget "The Fridge" being handed the ball, or McMahons (sp) head bands and |Mullett

Hootie 01-13-2011 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7352612)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAit's never Manning's fault. Awesome.LMAO

It certainly wasn't this year.

Over-Head 01-13-2011 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7352430)
Yeah, sounds like we are about the same age.

God i forgot about that idiot getting punched out by Millen. Can you imagine Jonathan Kraft being such a total schmuck?

As did a lot of us....good memories though :p

LiveSteam 01-13-2011 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 7352874)
I'll never forget "The Fridge" being handed the ball, or McMahons (sp) head bands and |Mullett

Its bull shit
Walter P should have been given that touchdown.

Over-Head 01-13-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7352886)
Its bull shit
Walter P should have been given that touchdown.

No argument there at all....

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-13-2011 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 7352874)
I'll never forget "The Fridge" being handed the ball, or McMahons (sp) head bands and |Mullett

http://www.zootpatrol.com/wp-content...0/11/talk3.jpg

McMahon Rule = Buzzkill.

-King- 01-13-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7352112)
I don't like it. I prefer the Patriots do what they do best, which is take the high road and say nothing until they've won the game. This just shows that Ryan actually accomplished his goal, which was to get in the heads of the Patriots and distract them. I think I'm revising my prediction now, to a tight game and a FG win by New England.


I'm pretty sure Rex is in nobodies head. Making a lot of puns doesn't count as him getting in Wes' head.

cardken 01-13-2011 08:31 PM

After the Wes Welker foot conference, don;t be surprised to see a bounty put out on him ala his dad in Bounty Bowl back in the day, or at least I'd like to hope Rex declares one. LOL
Go JETS!

Hootie 01-13-2011 08:34 PM

you guys might as well put all of your money on the Jets because I'm betting the farm on the Pats...

Dylan 01-13-2011 09:27 PM

Ralph Vacchiano http://www.nydail...

http://www.norcal-lt1.com/forum/imag...es/smily16.gif

Twitter:
How do you beat the Patriots? The Jets would be wise to listen to Spags ... http://nydn.us/eOB904 #NYG #NYJ #NFL
4 minutes ago via Seesmic Web

JD10367 01-13-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7353209)
Ralph Vacchiano http://www.nydail...

http://www.norcal-lt1.com/forum/imag...es/smily16.gif

Twitter:
How do you beat the Patriots? The Jets would be wise to listen to Spags ... http://nydn.us/eOB904 #NYG #NYJ #NFL
4 minutes ago via Seesmic Web

Wow.

The Jets need to pressure Brady.

But not only that, they need to "beat the guy in front of him".

What a ****ing brain surgeon!

Dylan 01-13-2011 11:16 PM

Hey JD10367, This one's for you -- Hot off the press!


ESPN
Suggs suggests Brady's titles are fraudulent

By Tim Graham
January 13, 2011

quarterback Tom Brady continues to be a verbal target, but the latest salvos come from Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs, who'll play the Pittsburgh Steelers on Saturday.

It's cross-game trash talk.

Thursday on Sirius radio show "Gary & Phillips on the Morning," Suggs was asked how Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger compares to Brady and Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.

"Well, if you ask me, he's definitely up there with them," Suggs said in a transcript posted by Yahoo! Sports blog editor Matthew J. Darnell, "because he has the hardware to prove it, and that's all that matters in this league is Super Bowls. And he's won two of them.

"If I'm correct Manning's only won one -- both Mannings that is -- and Phillip Rivers doesn't have any, and Tom Brady has three, I think, a questionable three. This guy [Roethlisberger] won the Super Bowl, I believe, in his second year in the league, and I'm not sure if that's ever been done before. If it has, it's been very rare."

Suggs was asked to elaborate on what he meant by Brady's "questionable" championships.

"Oh, you know, you've got the Tuck Rule incident, and then you've got the videotaping of the other team's practices," Suggs said. "It's just like, OK, what's going on here? You know?"

The Patriots infamously benefited from the Tuck Rule against the Oakland Raiders in the 2001 postseason. A Brady fumble was changed to an incomplete pass in the final two minutes, eventually allowing the Patriots to kick a field goal that forced overtime. Adam Vinatieri kicked another one in sudden death.

Mike Pereira, the NFL's former director of officiating, recently wrote in a Fox Sports column the Tuck Rule needed to be changed. Pereira said those loose balls should be fumbles.

The Tuck Rule helped the Patriots win the first of three Super Bowls, all of which have been clouded by the Spygate controversy. The scandal cost the Patriots their 2008 first-round draft choice and a $250,000 fine. The NFL also fined Patriots head coach Bill Belichick $500,000.

"But, hey, it is what it is," Suggs said. "They won the games no matter how you did it. But, um, it's whatever."
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...are-fraudulent



Justin Bieber for the title role in 3...2...


LMAO

grandllama 01-13-2011 11:18 PM

Leave it to Rex and the Jet's to make the Pat's the sympathetic underdogs...

Fark it, Go Pats.

KcMizzou 01-13-2011 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grandllama (Post 7353467)
Leave it to Rex and the Jet's to make the Pat's the sympathetic underdogs...

Fark it, Go Pats.

True. Now that you mention it.

I never could have imagined myself rooting for the Pats. First, I'm an underdog guy... and second the Jets have Brad Smith (Mizzou). But now... JFC... I just want the Jets to STFU and go away.

KcMizzou 01-13-2011 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7350680)
Hilarious!

<object width="384" height="216" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" id="ESPN_VIDEO" data="http://espn.go.com/videohub/player/embed.swf" allowScriptAccess="always" allowNetworking="all"><param name="movie" value="http://espn.go.com/videohub/player/embed.swf" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="wmode" value="opaque"/><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"/><param name="allowNetworking" value="all"/><param name="flashVars" value="id=5767540"/></object>

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5767540

The best thing about this, is that it shows that Brady does have a sense of humor. Dude's just got a short leash when it comes to being candid. That's the Patriot way.

DBOSHO 01-13-2011 11:37 PM

So toms superbowls are fragulent because he benefitted from an NFL rule. Cool.

grandllama 01-13-2011 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 7353519)
True. Now that you mention it.

I never could have imagined myself rooting for the Pats. First, I'm an underdog guy... and second the Jets have Brad Smith (Mizzou). But now... JFC... I just want the Jets to STFU and go away.

I didn't know Brad went to the Jets...

But with all the pure bull shit Rex came in here with last week, a huge part of me wanted the Colts to bury his ass, no matter how bad I hate the Colts. (I got really tired of editing stories about Rex and his ego for our website)

Couldn't stand his dad, can't stand him. Great coach, horrible person.

007 01-13-2011 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7350680)
Hilarious!

<object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" id="ESPN_VIDEO" data="http://espn.go.com/videohub/player/embed.swf" allowscriptaccess="always" allownetworking="all" height="216" width="384">





</object>

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5767540

Now that was funny. LMAO

Ugly Duck 01-13-2011 11:50 PM

I root for NE & Pitt to never win another game. Ever.

Hootie 01-13-2011 11:52 PM

I'm actually rooting for the Pats out of the AFC...

I won't be rooting for them in the Super Bowl...but I hate the Ravens, Steelers and Jets more than the Pats so go Pats (for now).

KcMizzou 01-14-2011 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7353572)
I'm actually rooting for the Pats out of the AFC...

I won't be rooting for them in the Super Bowl...but I hate the Ravens, Steelers and Jets more than the Pats so go Pats (for now).

I'd like to see Atlanta win it.

grandllama 01-14-2011 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 7353587)
I'd like to see Atlanta win it.

Yep, love to see Tony get his ring...

of course I'd love to see TRich get his ring too...

Stram fan 01-14-2011 12:20 AM

Has any 11 win team that went 1-1 in the regular season against an opponent ever been a 9 point dog in the second round of the playoffs?

To repeat:
11 wins
1-1 in the regular season
Second round of playoffs
9 point dog

If it's happened before, I can't recall it. I think too much attention is being paid to the big blowout game, a game in which the Jets completely abandoned their strengths and opened with a hurry up offense simply becauses Sanchez had been hot in the two minute offense in games leading up to this one.

Since it was early in the season, everyone is discounting the Jets 14 point win over the Pats. The game Cleveland destroyed the Pats is being written off as an anomoly,while the Jets blowout game isn't.

I am here to guarantee the Jets won't get blown out this time. They will cover the spread. It's unlikely they win, but it is within the realm of possibility.

I have always had an affinity to the old AFL teams. It was the Jets and Chiefs that forced the merger into what we know as the NFL today. From those glorious days, I still like the Chiefs. I think many, especially the youngsters, lack an appreciation for what these two franchises did against all odds.

What happened back then will always bond these two football teams, although it fades as us old guys also fade away. Belichick is Darth Vader, secretly born of Al Davis. NE is the dark side, and he has you Chiefs fans tempted and enticed. Ryan is Luke Skywalker... he has no chance, and his outspoken confidence, that cocky refusal to accept defeat, to take on the dark side seems irrational, reckless.

Don't go to the dark side. Root for the Jets. And we're sorry about the whole Herman Edwards thing.

007 01-14-2011 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stram fan (Post 7353618)
Has any 11 win team that went 1-1 in the regular season against an opponent ever been a 9 point dog in the second round of the playoffs?

To repeat:
11 wins
1-1 in the regular season
Second round of playoffs
9 point dog

If it's happened before, I can't recall it. I think too much attention is being paid to the big blowout game, a game in which the Jets completely abandoned their strengths and opened with a hurry up offense simply becauses Sanchez had been hot in the two minute offense in games leading up to this one.

Since it was early in the season, everyone is discounting the Jets 14 point win over the Pats. The game Cleveland destroyed the Pats is being written off as an anomoly,while the Jets blowout game isn't.

I am here to guarantee the Jets won't get blown out this time. They will cover the spread. It's unlikely they win, but it is within the realm of possibility.

I have always had an affinity to the old AFL teams. It was the Jets and Chiefs that forced the merger into what we know as the NFL today. From those glorious days, I still like the Chiefs. I think many, especially the youngsters, lack an appreciation for what these two franchises did against all odds.

What happened back then will always bond these two football teams, although it fades as us old guys also fade away. Belichick is Darth Vader, secretly born of Al Davis. NE is the dark side, and he has you Chiefs fans tempted and enticed. Ryan is Luke Skywalker... he has no chance, and his outspoken confidence, that cocky refusal to accept defeat, to take on the dark side seems irrational, reckless.

Don't go to the dark side. Root for the Jets. And we're sorry about the whole Herman Edwards thing.

Ah, well that just makes up for everything.

Over-Head 01-14-2011 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 7353570)
I root for NE & Pitt to never win another game. Ever.

THIS

Nzoner 01-14-2011 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stram fan (Post 7353618)

I am here to guarantee the Jets won't get blown out this time. They will cover the spread. It's unlikely they win, but it is within the realm of possibility.


Exactly why I put "I hope" in my thread title.As a football fan I hope the Pats whip their ass and good,as a gambler,no thanks,I'll take the Jets and the points.

007 01-14-2011 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 7353825)
Exactly why I put "I hope" in my thread title.As a football fan I hope the Pats whip their ass and good,as a gambler,no thanks,I'll take the Jets and the points.

Did you get my PM?

Nzoner 01-14-2011 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7353828)
Did you get my PM?

Sorry man,I did,but I have a few fires raging in my life right now so I didn't want to commit to anything and then have to cancel.I should know more by early next week if that's not too late.

Amnorix 01-14-2011 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 7352883)
As did a lot of us....good memories though :p

I don't think I've ever seen a more compelling instance of cosmic karma/justice than the Tuck Rule to even out for Ben Dreith. :p

Amnorix 01-14-2011 07:18 AM

Not sure I can copy this in, but omg. ROFL ROFL

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...7Aq35Gm63mE%3D

If not, here's a link.

http://twitpic.com/3pv0c7

LiveSteam 01-14-2011 07:40 AM

Hear ya go Amnorix

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...i0Ff4qAAn2w%3D

Dylan 01-14-2011 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7353854)
Not sure I can copy this in, but omg. ROFL ROFL

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...7Aq35Gm63mE%3D

If not, here's a link.

http://twitpic.com/3pv0c7

Poppycock!


Over-Head 01-14-2011 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7353896)

LMAO sweet

2112 01-14-2011 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7353896)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...dero/Jet-I.jpg

2112 01-14-2011 09:54 AM

Mangold as an ewok and Namath as Yoda is making me spit my coffee out

ROFL

Dylan 01-14-2011 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7353224)
Wow.

The Jets need to pressure Brady.

But not only that, they need to "beat the guy in front of him".

What a ****ing brain surgeon!

If Jets want to beat Patriots, Steve Spagnuolo has some insight on how to rattle Tom Brady

BY Ralph Vacchiano
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
January 13, 2011

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/20.../alg_brady.jpg
The Giants defense treats New England quarterback Tom Brady like a ragdoll in Super Bowl XLII, sacking him five times and hitting him more than 15 times in the upset win.

When it was just Steve Spagnuolo sitting in his office with a coach's clicker in his hands, that's when he would worry the most in the days leading up to Super Bowl XLII. He had two weeks to study the New England Patriots offense and try to peek into Bill Belichick's brain.

With every frame of game film, though, he'd return to the same question: How the heck am I going to stop this team?

"Yeah, every time I looked at it," the former Giants defensive coordinator says. "I remember thinking, 'OK, we might have a chance here if we keep them under 30.' Now think about that for a second: I thought we'd be playing good defense if they got 25 or 28 points. It was a daunting, daunting task."

Perhaps, but in the end, Spagnuolo and the Giants found a way to do what few have done in the last decade - beat Patriots QB Tom Brady in a big game. That's what the Jets and Rex Ryan will be trying to do Sunday in Foxborough when they face the Patriots in a divisional playoff showdown.

Speaking from his office in St. Louis, where he's the head coach of the Rams, Spagnuolo still credits "good players and great leadership" - not his defensive game plan - for the Giants' Super Bowl upset. He knows, however, that the way his defense came hard after Brady from the very first snap was a significant factor, too.

"Brady is the key cog that keeps that thing rolling," Spagnuolo says. "I haven't seen them much this year, but my guess is he still is."

Brady didn't put up the record-breaking numbers this season that he did in 2007, but he had what will likely be an MVP season. He completed 65.9% of his passes for 3,900 yards and 36 TDs, with only four INTs. That included a 326-yard, four-TD performance in a 45-3 win over the Jets.

The Jets sacked Brady three times in that game, but weren't able to sustain pressure. If they follow the Giants' example from 2007, Brady will spend much more time on his back. The constant pressure on Brady from Spagnuolo's Super Bowl scheme resulted in five sacks, nine hits, one pass that was deflected at the line of scrimmage and countless other throws that appeared rushed.

Brady still threw for 266 yards in Super Bowl XLII, but he needed 48 attempts (and 29 completions) to do it. He also didn't throw a TD pass until late in the fourth quarter. When Brady got the ball back with 29 seconds remaining in the game, needing about 40 or so yards for a game-tying field-goal attempt, the Giants blitzed him heavily, sacked him once, and the Patriots didn't gain a yard.

Pressure isn't the only answer, Spagnuolo says. Belichick knows the Jets are likely to go after Brady, and the Patriots coach will likely have an answer for every opposing scheme.

"Just saying, 'Hey, we're going to go after Tom Brady' doesn't necessarily work," Spagnuolo says. "I'm sure every team that's played him has thought that way. I'm sure that Rex (Ryan) will do the same thing. He's played them enough. He knows when to go and what not to do.

"But when you go out there and it's time to play the game, it still comes back to the players beating the guy in front of them. That's what it'll come down to. The Patriots are very smart on offense, the Jets do a good job on defense. It'll just be a matter of which side gets more players playing at a high level."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...o_rattle_.html

Amnorix 01-14-2011 12:14 PM

Jets don't have the same kind of defensive line.

Dylan 01-14-2011 12:17 PM

Amnorix, What about GB or Chicago's defense?

Just curious - TIA

Dylan 01-14-2011 12:38 PM

Spagnuolo's great moments as a leader:

New York Daily News

Mythbuster: Did '07 Giants really go all-out in finale vs. unbeaten Pats?
BY Ralph Vacchiano

January 14, 2011 10:54 AM

The Giants’ pass rush overwhelmed Tom Brady in Super Bowl XLII. They came at him from every angle and attacked him from the opening series right up until the last. It was a clinic, really, on how to stop the mighty Patriots and what to do to knock their Hall of Fame-bound quarterback off his game.

What I never was able to understand about that, though, was why the Giants chose to play Brady that way that night, and why all week before the game the Giants seemed so sure they’d be able to rattle him. Five weeks earlier, in what appeared to be an all-out effort to stop the Patriots from finishing the regular season unbeaten, the Giants’ pass rush was completely ineffective. They sacked Brady only once and watched him stand in the pocket, mostly untouched, completing 32 of 42 passes for 356 yards.

So after looking at that film of the regular season finale, what in the world made then-defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo think his defense could get to Brady the second time around?

“Well, I’ll let you in on a little bit of a secret,” Spagnuolo, now the Rams head coach, said from his office in St. Louis this week. “You know, as much as we wanted to win that game - - all of us did - - and we played it to win it, we made a decision defensively we weren’t going to jeopardize trying to win the Tampa Bay game (in the first round of the playoffs) by throwing out our whole game plan in the 16th game of the season. So there was a little bit of a pullback there.”

That certainly has been a well-kept secret, considering the Giants’ supposed, all-out effort against the then-15-0 Patriots is often credited as the performance that sparked their Super Bowl run. They lost 38-35 that day, but picked up tons of confidence, even though their defense barely provided a speed bump for Brady and the Patriots’ record-setting offensive machine.

The Giants did play their starters until the very end of that mostly meaningless game, risking their health just eight days before they’d open the playoffs at Tampa Bay. The players, in fact, were told they were going all-out for the win, and they may not have even realized how scaled back the defensive game plan really was.

It was scaled back enough, however, that Spagnuolo regretted the decision after he saw how close the Giants were to actually pulling that upset off.

“I remember as close as we got to winning that game I felt a little bit bad about not throwing a little bit more at them in an attempt to win the thing,” Spagnuolo said. “They were better than us that day and they should have won. But we did some different things in the Super Bowl that we didn’t do at all in the 16th game.

“I don’t know if that helped or not, but we’d like to think it did.”

Whether it did or not, I certainly found that “little secret” interesting when I spoke to Spagnuolo this week for an article that appeared in the Daily News special section on the upcoming Jets-Patriots playoff game. Mostly, I talked with “Spags” about how to attack a Brady-Belichick team. But we also spent some time reminiscing about that magical Giants Super Bowl run.

Not surprisingly, Spagnuolo said the scheme didn’t have nearly as much to do with the Giants’ big upset as did the “good players and great leadership” that memorable team had.

“It’s funny, I’ll go back down memory lane for you,” Spagnuolo said. “I remember being at our team hotel. It might have been before Game 5. We were 2-2, we had just won a couple of games, and I remember saying to the defense ‘How many guys in here have been to the playoffs?’ A number of guys put their hands up. ‘How many guys have been in a Super Bowl?’ I put mine up, Michael Strahan put his up and Peter Giunta put his up. I’m not sure, there might have been (others). But there weren’t very many hands. I said to Pete and Mike, ‘Did you ever get to the Super Bowl by winning one or two games?’ Of course the answer was ‘No.’ The point was there was a lot of work to be done.

“But I remember when I went through that exercise that there weren’t a lot of hands up for playoffs or Super Bowl, but the key ones were up there. There were some coaches that had been there, Strahan had been there. Antonio Pierce had been to the playoffs. Sam Madison had been to the playoffs. And I do think that carried us when we went in as a 10-6 wild card team with really no expectations from anybody outside our building and helped us eventually win the thing.”

It also helped, he said, that the Giants gained some confidence with their near-win in the regular-season finale. It doesn’t matter how scaled back the game plan was. The key players in Super Bowl XLII were in there until the end and left the field convinced they’d beat the Patriots if they were fortunate enough to play them again.

“I remember Justin Tuck and I walking off the field and he said, ‘Coach, I sure do hope we get a chance to play them again,’” Spagnuolo recalled. “That’s just the way he felt and I thought it permeated through the team. And when we did get a chance, our guys as players took advantage of it.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/gia...-unbeaten-pats

Amnorix 01-14-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7354486)
Amnorix, What about GB or Chicago's defense?

Just curious - TIA


Chicago's defense the Pats pummeled last month, BUT BUT BUT that was on a completely crappy Soldier's Field turf. I think Chicago defensively could pose problems for the Patriots with some seriously elite players in Peppers, Uhrlacher (sp?) and Briggs. Their field hurt htem that game. Urlacher also tipped like 2 balls himself, and there were some opportunities for picks that, luck being what it is, didn't go Chicago's way.

The question there is whether their offense can do much. I'm not in a good position to assess that. Certainly Cutler looked terrible against us that game.

The Packers scare me more than any NFC team in a potential Super Bowl matchup. Rodgers is 90% of Brady, and their pass rush can be ferocious.

They also lost a very close game IN FOXBORO to us, without Rodgers, which is a similar scenario to 2007 when the Giants lost a very close game to us in the last regular game of the season, therefore entering hte Super Bowl with no fear at all of the Patriots, and having a good sense of how they play and what might be necessary to defeat them.

Seattle doesn't scare me (doesn't matter, they'll never get there) and Atlanta, for some reason, really doesn't scare me that much. I like Ryan, but more than likely it's a function of not knowing that team very well. But I know their 13-3 record is a bit inflated for having had the NFC West in their rotation this year.

But let me be honest -- I think the Patriots, STeelers AND Ravens are better than ANY NFC team. If we can get to the Super Bowl, I still *expect* to win. That doesn't mean we will, of course. 2007 was ample proof that what is expected, or even what might happen 8 times out of 10, can always go wrong.

2001 went that way in the Patriots favor, of course. 2007 was seeing the worm turn in that respect.

2112 01-14-2011 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7354479)
Jets don't have the same kind of defensive line.

The Jets have absolutely no pass rush without blitzing. I think they are gonna play smith again at linebacker and dare the Pats to run the ball. which isnt exactly their game.

Dylan 01-14-2011 01:17 PM

Thank you, Amnorix

Amnorix 01-14-2011 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D2112 (Post 7354575)
The Jets have absolutely no pass rush without blitzing. I think they are gonna play smith again at linebacker and dare the Pats to run the ball. which isnt exactly their game.


Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

007 01-14-2011 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 7353842)
Sorry man,I did,but I have a few fires raging in my life right now so I didn't want to commit to anything and then have to cancel.I should know more by early next week if that's not too late.

Thats fine man. Just let me know.

beach tribe 01-14-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7354819)
Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

Yup.

JD10367 01-14-2011 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7353460)
Hey JD10367, This one's for you -- Hot off the press!

I give zero shit about what Suggs thinks, just as I give zero shit what you think.

This one's for you, AND Suggs.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ick%2B8x10.JPG

007 01-14-2011 05:42 PM

Damnit, boy scouts is having their damn pinewood derby tomorrow at 2pm. I'm gonna end up missing most of the game I wanted to see tomorrow. ugh

I don't like boy scouts. My son doesn't like it. My wife makes him do it. I always end up making the car because he wasn't much help.

I really can't stand scouts and the pinewood derbys.

JD10367 01-14-2011 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7354819)
Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

I also think that game demonstrated the first chink in the armor as to why Randy Moss wasn't such a great idea after all.

Also, note that in the second half of that season the Patriots actually started playing poorer (having closer games) and entered the playoffs not getting better. Despite being 16-0, I think this Patriots team was actually playing better ball--and continuously improving ball--as the season came to an end.

LiveSteam 01-14-2011 05:59 PM

That was as close to a perfect season as i think we will ever live to see. 1 dam pass play on 4th down. For me?. I would give away the other 3 super bowl wins for that 1 perfect season,& the right to shove it down dolphin throats for ever more.
CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK IN TIME & REDO THAT 1 PLAY? pleassssssssssssssss!!
The pain of that game. Dose not get better with time.

JD10367 01-14-2011 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7354521)
Chicago's defense the Pats pummeled last month, BUT BUT BUT that was on a completely crappy Soldier's Field turf. I think Chicago defensively could pose problems for the Patriots with some seriously elite players in Peppers, Uhrlacher (sp?) and Briggs. Their field hurt htem that game. Urlacher also tipped like 2 balls himself, and there were some opportunities for picks that, luck being what it is, didn't go Chicago's way.

The question there is whether their offense can do much. I'm not in a good position to assess that. Certainly Cutler looked terrible against us that game.

The Packers scare me more than any NFC team in a potential Super Bowl matchup. Rodgers is 90% of Brady, and their pass rush can be ferocious.

They also lost a very close game IN FOXBORO to us, without Rodgers, which is a similar scenario to 2007 when the Giants lost a very close game to us in the last regular game of the season, therefore entering hte Super Bowl with no fear at all of the Patriots, and having a good sense of how they play and what might be necessary to defeat them.

Seattle doesn't scare me (doesn't matter, they'll never get there) and Atlanta, for some reason, really doesn't scare me that much. I like Ryan, but more than likely it's a function of not knowing that team very well. But I know their 13-3 record is a bit inflated for having had the NFC West in their rotation this year.

I'd agree with that assessment.

It's really not rocket science as to how to beat this version of the Patriots. For the Jets (or anyone) to do it, they have to:

1.) Run the ball effectively, controlling the time of possession and keeping Brady off the field.

2.) Pressure Brady (preferably by concealing the alignment and eliminating many pre-snap reads on his part). IMO the best way to do this is the same way the Patriots D used to do it back around '03/'04: move around a lot before the snap of the ball. I don't know why more teams don't do this to Brady and Peyton. Have guys in three point stances, who back up into two; have guys approach the line as if blitzing, then shuffle back a few feet as if going into pass-protection, then go back towards the LOS. If Brady and Manning don't know what you're doing, then they can't audible out to a call they think will work.

3.) Try to get off the field defensively on third down. Brady and the Patriots are very good at 3DC, usually getting just enough yardage. Keep an eye on Welker and Woodhead, and defend the seams against the tight ends.

4.) Win the turnover battle.

5.) Do the unexpected. Against a team like the Patriots, any small edge can be the difference in the game. Despite Belichick's big brain, he IS susceptible to coaches who go against the grain (witness the onside kick to start the game a few weeks back, which caught the Patriots flatfooted). Especially if you're a team that's not on equal footing (hi Jets), you're not going to win by playing it safe. I haven't seen a nice fake FG attempt lately; if I were the Jets, and I was in the 47-50 yard range, I'd fake one.

6.) Take advantage of whatever weaknesses the team has. In this year's team, it's pretty simple: the defensive line depth and the defensive backfield depth. Creative run plays against the former, and multiple-receiver formations against the latter, with three-step drops and even max protect if necessary.

The problem is that the Patriots are very disciplined and it's hard to accomplish these things. Especially for a team like the Jets, who don't have a franchise QB. If Sanchez has even an average game, they're in a lot of trouble; if he has a bad game, they're toast.

Ultimately, here's the rub for the Jets: they have this long laundry-list of "things they need to do to beat the Patriots". On the other side, the Patriots have a much shorter list of "things they need to do to beat the Jets":

1.) Execute on offense as you've been doing all year, and don't **** up.

2.) Play at least a bend-but-don't-break defense as you've been doing all year, and don't **** up.

Dylan 01-14-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7354819)
Right, and I think blitzing Brady isn't much different from slitting your wrists with a chainsaw.

What the Giants did wsa without blitzing, which was the key to why it worked so well. Frankly, I was shocked -- not because I didn't know the Giants were that good, but because they dominated the Patriots OLine, which had not been manhandled like that -- or anything close to it, all year.

The Giants D-Line's domination of the Pats O-Line is why the Giants won that game, pure and simple.

Patriots is a very smart offense. Thinking back -- Tom Coughlin offered a simple explanation for how the Giants defense contained Brady's complex offense.

If you try to 'stack the box' that's when they throw. They use runs as passes -- They're going to come out with something new every game and work it into their basic scheme. If you try and play tight against the pass -- that's when they run. It just so happens that Spags had the ability to change and adapt in the game. He had a lot of set-ups to counter.

There are some teams that run the same offense all the time with some minor tweaks. If only it were that easy against the Patriots.

Dylan 01-14-2011 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7355533)
I give zero shit about what Suggs thinks, just as I give zero shit what you think.

This one's for you, AND Suggs.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ick%2B8x10.JPG

JD10367, do you live under a rock?

LMAO

Chiefs Pantalones 01-14-2011 06:32 PM

I have no clue why Rex talks so much crap. Even after they got whooped so many weeks back he was kinda talking crap in the post game press conference. He's an idiot. I'm going to enjoy watching them lose again.

Chiefs Pantalones 01-14-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7355581)
That was as close to a perfect season as i think we will ever live to see. 1 dam pass play on 4th down. For me?. I would give away the other 3 super bowl wins for that 1 perfect season,& the right to shove it down dolphin throats for ever more.
CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK IN TIME & REDO THAT 1 PLAY? pleassssssssssssssss!!
The pain of that game. Dose not get better with time.

Yeah I felt bad for the Pats fans after that one. I know it's hard to feel bad for a team after they had three other rings, but that was an almost undefeated season. If the Chiefs were 18-0 leading up to the Super Bowl and then lost it I'd probably hang myself. It'd take me a long time to get over that. Sure, a team wins the Super Bowl every year, but not every team goes UNDEFEATED while doing so. That's greatness, especially today.

GloryDayz 01-14-2011 06:54 PM

I would be just as happy to see someboy finish what the Chiefs started and break Brady's knee in half.

bowener 01-14-2011 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7355542)
Damnit, boy scouts is having their damn pinewood derby tomorrow at 2pm. I'm gonna end up missing most of the game I wanted to see tomorrow. ugh

I don't like boy scouts. My son doesn't like it. My wife makes him do it. I always end up making the car because he wasn't much help.

I really can't stand scouts and the pinewood derbys.

Man up, bitch!








Go chug a shit ton of milk, wait till your wife is around, and puke that shit all over the kitchen sink or bathroom floor/toilet/shower/tub.

It will come out smelling awful. Maybe eat some bread for chunks. You also might want to think about doing some jumping jacks just before it to get your body temp us so it seems like you have a fever.

You should be free all day tomorrow!

007 01-14-2011 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 7355666)
Man up, bitch!








Go chug a shit ton of milk, wait till your wife is around, and puke that shit all over the kitchen sink or bathroom floor/toilet/shower/tub.

It will come out smelling awful. Maybe eat some bread for chunks. You also might want to think about doing some jumping jacks just before it to get your body temp us so it seems like you have a fever.

You should be free all day tomorrow!

:LOL::LOL::LOL::thumb:

JD10367 01-14-2011 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 7355646)
I would be just as happy to see someboy finish what the Chiefs started and break Brady's knee in half.

I would like Fred Phelps to give you AIDS via anus-ripping buttsex.

JD10367 01-14-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 7355606)
JD10367, do you live under a rock?

LMAO

You don't even make sense. To the Table Of Life, you bring nothing. kthxbye

GloryDayz 01-14-2011 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7355752)
I would like Fred Phelps to give you AIDS via anus-ripping buttsex.

Well, with you being dickless I suppose Fred has a better chance than you'd ever have.

Dylan 01-14-2011 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7355533)
I give zero shit about what Suggs thinks, just as I give zero shit what you think.

This one's for you, AND Suggs.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ick%2B8x10.JPG

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7355758)
You don't even make sense. To the Table Of Life, you bring nothing. kthxbye

I know it's easy to be snarky about this, but you're really like any other totally disconnected person... Like, mind-numbingly, head-scratchingly stupid... If you think this photo is suppose to impress me.

tk13 01-15-2011 11:51 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=6024525

Quote:

The latest salvo came Friday from Jets linebacker Bart Scott in reaction to Wes Welker's apparent tongue-in-cheek references to feet and toes as he spoke to the media Thursday.

The Patriots receiver is widely thought to have been poking fun at Rex Ryan over videos of the Jets coach's wife that surfaced on the Internet.

But Scott wasn't laughing.

"I'll tell you what," Scott told Newsday Friday. "Be very careful what you say about our coach. His [Welker's] days in a uniform will be numbered. Put it like that."
The NFL has also said that any comments made this week in all this trash talk will be taken into account if they have to hand down disciplinary action for acts on the field.

cardken 01-15-2011 11:59 AM

It's true the Jets don't have the pass rush to put the pressure on Brady, but following the Cleveland Brown blueprint to beating the Patriots is completely possible.
Peyton Hiilis had 190 yards rushing that day, the Pats run defense still stands at rank 11 vs. the run, the Jets have two runningbacks capable of rushing for just short of that (Jets rank 4th off rushing), and Cleveland kept Brady to only 22 mins of playtime this is the key if you cant pressure him take the ball out of his hands to beat him.

boogblaster 01-15-2011 11:59 AM

F da Pats and da Jets .......

R8RFAN 01-15-2011 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7350563)
**** New England. Go Jets!

^ This

LiveSteam 01-15-2011 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7356518)
^ This

Choke on the Tuck rule ****er

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-15-2011 12:35 PM

Well, I'm supposed to support NE because of Pioli so...

Wait, **** that; piss on New England. Piss on their heads.


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