He hasn't had two horrible seasons yet.

I don't know many that thought we'd have a winning season in 2010.

I think you are right, but firing the HC because he will probably have a losing season is insanity. It will not happen. Haley might get fired, but it will be at the end of the season if he does.

How can you blame him for 2009? Throwing that mark on his resume, when I am pretty sure you didn't last year, is a little extreme.

Question, how many wins should a coach in Haley's position right now have with Cassel and without Berry/Charles get this season? Honestly. What should the Chiefs record be with Cassel at the helm?

Haley's plan shit the bed and it made us lose bad the first two weeks. Looking at the Bills and Lions, its not crazy to see that we lost to them with Cassel and without Berry and then with Cassel and without Berry/Charles. Its just the way it happened. Looking at the team playing now, I don't think they lose by as much.

If Haley had a good QB and Berry/Charles do you really think we would be struggling right now? I really don't. I don't want him fired because of that situation. If we had a good QB and a healthy core, I think we are 3-2 at the VERY least. I don't think its insane to say that we could have won 1 of the first 2 games with a real QB and both our stars. Neither of those games were out of hand early and those 3 players could have changed the course. So for me, its not Haley.

I want Haley haters to answer the questions in bold. Not because I think there is no answer, but because the answer to those questions is how I will know where you are thinking-wise and if its reasonable.

The Chiefs lost six games that year by a TD or less.

Haley did not even start Jamaal Charles until Week 10.

He also made dumbass decisions on OC and DC.

So yeah, part of the blame for that season goes to Haley.

Please answer the bold questions. I am fine with that response for 2009, although I don't blame him for OC/DC decisions his first year as a head coach. I am guessing most rookie head coaches make mistakes like that. Again, the tougher questions please.

We had 180 yards rushing and held the 0-4 Colts scoreless for an entire half and we still barely beat them.

I don't see your point. :shrug:

With Charles on offense, are we going to do much better than 180 yards rushing?

With Berry on defense, are we going to do much better than holding the Colts scoreless for an entire half?

The Packers had huge injury problems last year and won the Super Bowl, so I'm not going to give Haley a free pass just because of injuries.

I will give him a pass for being stuck with Cassel for three years. JMO.

He has the option of not sending him on the field. JMO.

It was good to see the D make adjustments at halftime.

Indy isn't that bad. If Manning were healthy, they'd be 3-2 maybe 4-1.

Then your opinion is factually incorrect.
A) he has not had viable alternatives
B) he would get shitcanned by Pioli

Although I can see how constant wildcat formations could improve the offense. [/sarcasm]

You think Stanzi would do worse than Cassel? I mean... I know throwing 5 yard slants is a lot to ask, but...

Aaron Rodgers

I am about as big of a "cassel-hater" as you can find, but I still can't answer that. I don't have enough information. The head coach might. Hell, he might even agree with you but be unable to pull Cassel due to pressure from Pioli.

I'm not expecting the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl.

gochiefs is still a worthless troll without a mind of his own. I wouldn't expect him to understand this.

The only way Pioli would fire Haley for switching QB's is if it completely ****ing flopped and blew the Chiefs chances of making the playoffs.

My point is, if you have a stud QB, you can overcome a lot.

That is speculative on your part. Pioli may have a development plan for Stanzi, or just not want to see 12MM (or whatever Cassel's stupid salary is) sitting on the bench. Further, it is possible that Cassel still gives us a better chance to win than Stanzi. It wouldn't actually surprise me that much.

My point is, if you have a competent head coach, you don't get beat 89-10, regardless of injuries.

It's not speculative at all. No GM is going to fire someone for making a move to try and better the team. If he does then I say GL trying to get that respectable HC you want to come in and coach someone elses team.

Pioli isn't the one writing the checks, btw.

Oh damn, I am cracking up at this for some reason. Funny shit.

Most of those points were scored off turnovers. Haley made Cassel throw INTs?

I know Pioli thought Cassel was the answer for this team when he traded for him. But god damn he sees the same games we do plus a lot more of his bullshit at practice and on tape. He has to have figured it out by now he is not the answer. I just hope he can do some magic this off season. Remember when we traded for him, how bad McDanials wanted him.So they both saw something in NE they liked. I don't know what. We sure as shit haven't seen it here. I don't know if Stanzi is quite NFL ready. But I sure would like to see his ass at least activated for games. I was somewhat impressed with him in preseason. Who the fuck knows.

Good point. True that.

I am convinced Cassel in practice looks like an ace, but can't hold up in the tempo and pressure of a game.

This is true. But he has to see the tape over and over of how he can't handle it. Everyone says it's his ego with Cassel. Bullshit. He wants to win. This is his first GM job and wants to hold on to it. I have faith in him. For now.

Oh I agree with you. I suspect Cassel was either a stop-gap OR a "stab-at-a-franchise-qb" which got turned into a stop-gap. He probably hadn't found another QB which he thought was franchise QB material. Frankly, he was probably right.

LMAO no

Thats bullshit and you know it.

Chan Gailey was forced on Haley as was Weis after him. So was Romeo Crennel, too.

I know you know this, Clancy was never hired as the DC he was hired as a defensive assistant that didnt get a title until Romeo turned down the job in 2009.

Couple that with being handcuffed to Cassel and a worthless draft... you absolutely have to dish out some of the blame for that years failure on Haley for not working things out with Gailey (which at the time I saw as a huge mistake and as it turns out, it probably was)

I think what Haley has done in keeping this team together and his motivational tools is pretty impressive.

hindsight genius. if only we could see the future somehow....

I am torn on Haley. I think that keeping the team together after their horrible first two games is impressive.

I don't care how bad Minnesota and Indy are, they are NFL teams. And, Minnesota had no trouble with Arizona. Minnesota also built pretty sizeable leads against every team except the Chiefs.... they just couldn't finish.

Indy played poorly with an 'over the hill', I don't know the playbook, Collins. But, after he was injured/benched.... Painter has played well and the Colts have really hung in there. They got to within 3 of the Steelers after Painter came in.... and they had the lead on the Bucs for most of the MNF game last week.

Oh, and the Chiefs hung in there against the Chargers.

Yeah, the first two weeks sucked..... but those two teams are pretty good and the Chiefs just weren't ready. Oh, and they lost one of their best players on both sides of the ball.

I am okay with the Chiefs getting a new head coach.... I am just not sold on Haley. But, I am also okay with him sticking for another year or two to see how things develop.

So, what is your opinion of Andy Reid?

I know you aren't asking me.... but I think Reid is just done in Philly. There comes a point when the team doesn't hear you anymore.... that time has come for Reid in Philly.

He has had two losing seasons in 13 years. GFY.

I can see this.

People repeatedly bitch and moan about the Cassel trade etc....but fail realize there has been no definite franchise prospect the Chief's could have picked up in the draft or FA at the time or since.

Freeman is the only possible franchise QB that was realistically possible and not one person here thought he was going to be a franchise QB.

The true major screw ups were made by Carl passing on Brees & Rodgers.

Lol, but the Eagles have a worse record than KC and they spent a kajillian $.

How many SB wins Reid have in 13 years?

By your logic, competent coaches don't get blown out, looking at the Eagles talent level and 1 win I would say that is a major issue with coaching competency.

Or could it be it's not all on the coach? :hmmm:

You are a fool, plain and simple.

We'd still be better off with Sanchez waiting in the wings than Tyson Jackson.

Colt McCoy would look real attractive right now waiting in the wings.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was a free agent who was signed two weeks after Scott Pioli took the Chiefs job.

Even if we had traded for Cassel, Our QB situation would look a lot better right now if we had:

A)Not signed him to a long-term deal

B)Brought in legitimate competition for the job

C)Signed him to a reasonable deal after 2009 (you can't just kick him to the curb immediately)and made him compete for his job with guys who are younger, have a lot more potential and have yet to hit their ceiling.

Or we could have just drafted Freeman and never been in this mess to begin with.

So yes, we should be bitching and moaning about this trade, not only because it was horrible, but because there was absolutely zero plan B.

Cassel is the anti-tebow. Good in practice, bad in games.

So basically, hes the anti-christ.

Where did I say it was all on the coach?

Haley has a lot to do with this mess, and comparing him to Andy Reid is idiotic. Haley got blown out at the start of this year because that's his MO - his teams get their ass handed to them every year four times - even last year. Look it up. He's got two ass-handings this year and figures to have at least two more coming against New England and Green Bay.

Hallmarks of Haley's coaching career:

Can't pick an OC.
Gets his ass handed to him four times a year.
Embarrasses the franchise by swearing like a sailor and looking like a slob.

Hallmarks of Reid's coaching career:

Consistent winning.
Playoff wins.
Being fat.

You shut your whore mouth when talking about haley.

No SuperBowls. In CP's definition of success, he is a failure 13 times over.

Yep, and using that same logic Hank Stram is the only good coach the Chiefs have EVER had...:banghead:

LMAO

Can't pick an OC? He ditched Gailey b/c Gailey's vision wasn't what they were looking for and to keep him on the first year would have held the development of the offense back an entire year.

Weis was forced on Haley as has been documented. They never got along, and Weis took the convenient way out and went to coach with his son. Why blame Weis on Haley? That's all on Pioli.

Bill Muir is Haley's first OC, and could likely be his scapegoat. Haley trying to keep a fall guy around so he might be able to buy himself the last year of his contract.

You're being an idiot.

Lol. You said Colt McCoy. And before that you said Sanchez. Lol. And you Fitzpatrick. Lol. You're silly.

"The development of the offense" ROFL

Calm down Clay, it was only 2 wins against bad teams. We will probably go back to sucking after the bye week so you can write up some more articles and gif up some more bad plays and make yourself feel better about your shitty life.

Everything will be be back to normal soon, calm down.

If we had any of those players on our roster, our QB situation would not be a disaster.

There would be some hope for a young guy with potential with Sanchez and McCoy. Fitzpatrick would outright steal the job from Cassel and become the next Trent Green overnight. The fan base would love him. DeezNutz would be cautiously optimistic.

Can't pick an OC/can't live with one. Same difference.

Swearing like a sailor and looking like a slob LMAO

Stop feeding the troll.

This will be fun to re-visit if they finish 9-7 or better.

I thought they might go 8-8 and was roundly mocked.

Chuck Noll 1969 back to back losses 99-24
Tom Landry 1988 back to back losses 81-27
Tom Landry 1960 losses 48-7, 41-7, 45-7
Vince Lombardi 1959 back to back losses 78-27
Bill Walsh 1980 back to back losses defense gave up 107

Its not Haley's fault that Check Down sucked. Keep this D off the field we've been shown they can be ok.

Even Super Bowl teams can get toasted. The '94 Niners lost to the Eagles 40-8. Am I saying Haley is a HOF coach with these comparisons? No, you're the one that said good coaches don't lose like that. Even great coaches do.

Gochiefs has been in a trolling mood ever since the Chiefs won effectively eliminating any chance Haley would be fired this month. Nice find whoman69.

To be fair, I was calling for Haley's head after the first two games.

Meh. I disagree. I think Haley will be a great HC down the line. He is a terrific motivator and that's his primary job. Once he learns to let his assistants do their job or he figures out a way to actually be HC and OC he'll be good. Once he gets a QB worth a damn, he'll be great. JMO.

So, you wanted the Chiefs to sign a QB, prior to the 2009 season, that had started more than 10 games in his career once and put up mediocre numbers during that season?

:spock:

The Bills saw something in him.

Bills > Our GM? :shrug:

So, none of those are 89-10.

Thanks for proving my point. And Landry's expansion Cowboys hardly count.

89-10 is in the top 5 embarrassments in NFL HISTORY.

21 TDs and 11 INTS> 8 TDs and 9 INTS?

Hey, whatever.

We'd be a lot better off with Fitzpatrick right now.

This fanbase would be slobbing his knob. Guaranteed.

Well obviously.

We would be alot better off right now had we drafted Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.

Hahaha... Yeah, stop panicking, Nostradumbass.

Fitzpatrick wasn't quite as obvious. Neither was Brees for that matter.
They all seem to have a need to suck for a while before they're any good.
Look at Steve Grogan for crying out loud.:eek:

Monday Night Meltdown was far more embarrassing

or jim kelly... or dan marino, now that you mention it.

I stayed out of this debate, but this is the most asinine statement I have read. The players make the coaches just as much as the coaches make the players. I mean look at what Norv Turner has done for the Chargers, they have the talent there, but not the coaching. We have the coaching, but not the depth to overcome serious injuries. It is the way it is.

Depth isn't the head coach's responsibility, that would belong to Pioli. So if you want to place to blame on over coming injuries, place it in the right direction. You have Berry, then Piscatelli or McGraw. DJ and Belcher, then Williams. Cassel, then Palko. Charles then Jones. Moeaki then Pope. I could go on. How is that any way relevant to what Green Bay had depth wise, while Aaron Rogers was healthy?

Gochiefs is seriously degrading the level of conversation on this board. you can't have a single football thread without him running into it with a bullet train of asinine trolling. It absolutely is killing any meaningful football conversation.

I have a theory on why he does this.

I am assuming the pacifier fell out of Clay's ass again.

This absolutely. I'd like to add that we also HAVE $30+ MILLION in cap room. Bet that would have bought a LOT of quality depth...

Exactly....MdChief made a good point.....In fact, we have won the last couple of games (yes against shitty teams though) DESPITE the injuries and because of the coaching IMO....If we can take this momentum and even keep it close against the Raiders (@OAK) then I'll be pretty impressed....at haley's ability to polish a turd.

Looks like he's gonna be fired alright.

Good call bro.

:doh!:

There's still time.