Some kids mature faster than others. Maybe the kid looked older than he was, and the guy thought he was 18. Perhaps he was a Big 10.

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There is so much wrong that happened in this mess its mind boggling. How it took this long to come out is shameful and disgusting.

Lots of jail time should be handed out to many people.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Scary shit. Being afraid to turn on authority is human nature. I'd like to believe I'd act differently, but it's easy to say that from the sidelines. Let me ask you this. If you studied to be a lawyer. You spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on tuition, education, etc... Spent endless nights cramming for the bar. You land a great job. You work your ass off and finally earn some respect. You catch one of the partners doing something wildly inappropriate. This partner's a powerful guy. If you say a word about it, you not only lose your job, he can find a way to get you dis-barred, and he'll make sure to let everyone he knows to make sure you never get a decent job ever again. You've got a family and kids. You've got 30 years ahead of you. Now we're no longer talking about losing $100,000 a year, we're talking about losing $3 Million (over 30 years).

I'm a pretty ethical guy. But I believe if I saw a guy murdering someone on the street, my first reaction would be absolute fear. For my own life. I hate that that's the case, but I'm trying to be realistic. I think grilling a young, impressionable kid for not turning in probably the 2nd most powerful guy not just on the team, but even on campus... that's not as easy as we make it out to be from the sidelines.

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.

You trying to defend McQueary, or thinking the guy would be blackballed from college football or any other job because he turned in a child molester.

Zilla, you are a coward of epic proportions. You think it took a lot of courage to walk away from a child being molested to tell your dad, but not attempt to stop the act?

His career will likely suffer a lot more now than if he had reported it and stopped it.

I'm sure he would have had trouble at job interviews "I'm the guy that was fired because I reported the coordinator was molesting children in the team shower. I'm sure you don't want someone like me on your team and that you'd prefer Joe Po and the rest of the staff that turned a blind eye to such a thing."

It's amazing that the NCAA has rules and built in sanctions if a collegiate player receives a free bag of potato chips, but something like this they are powerless to impose penalties.

QFMFT.

Rep.

No shit. He may be done NOW that this is out. In the end it will be worse for him now. (No pun intended)

First thing is you have to be able to live with yourself. You think you could with something like this hanging over your head?

I don't care if the kid in the shower was Andy Reid developed, something more needed to be done.

Seeing someone being murdered isn't in the same universe as this.

Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire an Assistant. My school commits all kinds of borderline shady recruiting violations and I'm looking for a defensive coach. So let me "do the right thing" and please do me a huge, huge favor, and don't turn in anything you see on the recruiting front to the NCAA. I can trust you, right? Pretty please?

But I'm going to hire you, because you did the right thing.

Why surprised? NCAA sanctions are a cartel enforcement device, and have nothing to do with what is right or wrong.

I can't imagine it doesn't beat the living shit out of him every day thinking about it.

this will be interesting because if people start cutting deals to provide more information/sell people out that were involved, I have a feeling its going to go right to the top and I read that's the prosecutions plan, they have an idea of how much the higher ups knew to cover this up and now its all about actually getting something that sticks.

and that is having one of these other bozos crack, and admit all the big wigs at Penn State knew about this for 10+ years.

which is very likely.

Holy shit, just when I think your posts in this thread couldn't possibly get any more ignorant, you post this.

*speechless*

Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire a recruiting coordinator. I would prefer one will make parents feel like they are making a good safe decision by sending their kid to our institution. Nothing assures parents more than sending someone that kept quiet about child rape.

No shit. It is laughable that anyone can argue 1) McQeary was brave for walking away and letting a 10 year continue to get raped, and 2) His career would have been over in football if he blew the whistle on a serial child molester.

The pussification of this country continues.

It's nice that some of you live in a perfect world where powerful people are always brought to justice. And not a world where powerful people protect their own against scandal to ridiculous degrees, own the local police, control the local media, etc. Suppose the kid won't admit the truth? He's under the guy's spell enough that he's willing to suck his dick in the shower - do you really think Sandusky couldn't get him to lie? Or threaten his parents? Or have some goons do it? No other witness, victim says your full of shit, no proof, cops don't want to pursue it, press won't touch it, and BOOM you're out of a job, nobody believes you, and maybe you wake up with a horse head at the foot of your bed one morning.

I like to think I'd do the right thing as well, but I've never been in that position and hope to Christ I never am. And I think child molestation is worse than murder.

The scariest shit about human psychology is that we all know what's right, but throw yourself in that kind of a situation, and we all panic and act in ways we shouldn't. It's been psychologically tested over and over again that many of us would have acted the same way.

Unfortunately, it's easy to talk a big game on the sidelines. Of course he didn't do the right thing. But when you see shit like that, your mind isn't right. We panic. And a million thoughts swirl through your brain. I'd like to believe I'd do the right thing in that situation. I'm just pointing to the reality that it's not as simple as that.

So be it. You can only do what you can do. Blow the whistle and take the minuscule chance that you're a pariah because people don't believe you. It beats living with knowing that you let a monster roam free.

That may be true, but none of what you just said makes it okay.

I will be completely honest. If I worked for a football team or company that implicitly allowed child molestation by a higher up, and that was the only football team or company that I could work for, I would switch careers.

That isn't Internet tough guy speak or whatever, that is the truth. There is just no excuse for the absolute lack of morality and human empathy that McQuery showed by not going apeshit over this.

:shake::doh!:

You're missing the point. You can do all the right things and the monster still may roam free. And a lot of you must have missed the posts about the prosecutor in this case turning up missing.

If you're hiring a recruiting coordinator for a D-1 program, you are going to ask him to do some shady, shady shit. They are going to ask you to sneak money to kids in every way possible to get them to join their school. And they're all doing it. We've learned pretty quickly that Athletic Directors are pretty shady characters. You honestly think they're looking for the ethical guy vs. a guy they know will keep his mouth shut? That's not the way the world works, much as I wish it did.

When I'm thrust into a crisis situation, I tend to react violently. I doubt if I'd go meekly snitch on the guy - I'd probably grab the nearest thing I could use as a weapon and beat the hell out of him.

But most people don't have my temper.

I didn't say it was "okay." I said it's human nature.

Are you really trying to compare paying players under the table in recruiting to child molestation? Really?

If you can't determine the difference between dumb stuff like giving kids money, cars and clothes and being a part of a cover up on crimes against humanity, I have literally no idea what to tell you.

Welp, apparently there is another rung on Zilla's ignorance ladder.

When did I say that?

I'm saying that McQueary snitches, and his career goes backwards. Athletic Directors are crooked. They're not looking to hire the good guy. They're not going to hire a guy who turned a coach in and sunk their program, and could just as easily sink theirs. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

So his potential fear of committing career suicide, which caused him to be morally bankrupt, is going to lead to career suicide.

Classic irony for a completely worthless piece of shit.

This...to equate fear from turning on the SS when your life is in danger to turning in a child molester is beyond logic...if they fired him for doing the right thing, it would only bring the University more shame.

I don't think many, if any, Athletic Directors are gonna be all, "Welp, **** hiring this ginger because he decided to say something about disgusting acts that had absolutely nothing to do with student athletics"

You've completely misinterpreted, as has everyone else.

People are claiming McQueary's career would have been fine if he snitched. I'm claiming that Athletic Directors who run shady programs (and they all do) aren't going to hire a rat just because he's a good guy. That is so ridiculously unrealistic. College programs are shady. They're not looking to do the right thing. McQueary's career takes a huge hit if he snitches. It sucks that society works that way, but that's why in so many situations, we see so many good people afraid to blow the whistle.

No, I think we clearly understand. Even "OH EM GEE SHADY AND CROOKED" college programs will have the ability to understand the difference between reporting NCAA violations and violations that are sick and against federal laws.

Unless you're trying to say that scandals like this go on in many college programs.

By keeping quiet about it outside of the program, he's pretty much ****ed as he'll be known as the dude that kept quiet about child rape. Yeah, definitely a career booster there.

He wouldn't be blowing the whistle on the athletic department...this guy wasn't even fning working for them at the time!!!! I would say he could have frozen and wasn't sure what to do and reported it to Paterno, but given a little bit of time and reflection, how could you not follow up and say "what the f, your not going to report this prick?" It is unfathomable.

Yeah, McQueary was really putting his graduate assistant job on the line.

Good ****ing god.

That wouldn't have been inappropriate.

The fact that you treat molesting kids basically in the same vein as a recruiting violation swept under the rug makes me nauscious.

You can add your life takes on this board to your list of shitty football takes.

I'm not missing that point. I acknowledged it's possible, but it's worth the risk.

Human nature isn't a defense for human behavior.

Certainly not in my mind, but I assume the police would see it differently.

The guy slipped in the shower. I've seen a lot of police officers buy some incredibly obvious lies when it comes to someone taking a well-deserved beating. A buddy of mine used to bounce at a strip club. It's amazing how many times customers fell down and broke their noses/jaws/teeth while my buddy tore up his knuckles trying to catch them.

I don't think you understand what football and Joe Pa mean to Happy Valley, and how damn powerful Jerry Sandusky was at the time. College football programs like that... Joe Pa can walk on air. And how do you know Paterno or Curley or Sandusky didn't threaten him in some way? Seeing how far they went to cover this up, you don't think maybe they made it clear to him there would be consequences if he opened his mouth?

I was a huge Paterno fan but now I think he's an enormous scumbag. Curley's even worse.

Doing the right thing is really damn difficult, especially in a culture like that where there is SO much to lose.

I can understand the argument that you could fear for your job, or life, in situations like this... that certainly doesn't make it right. The thing is though, McQueary still works there. I don't get that. You think you'd want to get out of that mess right away. We'll see I guess, but the whole thing looks really, really bad.

Give me a ****ing break.

I didn't say that. But thanks for trying to twist my words.

This. Complete argument fail.

lot of ridiculousness in this thread

no one thinks any of this is ok

but it's amazing that "all of these people knew" and not a single person did a thing about it...

yet everyone in this thread and on this board would have immediately called the police and/or beat the bloody hell out of this FREAK!

A college football player (most likely a stud athlete) was scared into not doing anything...

but OTWP and Saul Good and everyone else would have done the right thing and would have been paraded as heroes!!

excuse me while I call shenanigans

the dude saw what he saw...was clearly horrified...talked to his dad, then went to A GUY HE PROBABLY IDOLIZED...who then took it to the AD who then talked to the president (or whatever) and then they all decided to squash it (or whatever)...but lets blame the G.A.

it's a lot easier to be right when you're not thrust into a situation like this...this dude was a freaking legend in Penn State...

he's obviously powerful enough to have been doing this for 20+ years while releasing books and getting feel good SI stories published about him...

but the voices of ChiefsPlanet would have done the RIGHT thing! Because they have been in a situation like that before...

it's comparable to a witness of some sort of mafia crime flipping their story...

the guy saw something horrible, said something...and then was likely told "you tell anyone and we'll ****ing kill you"...

but I'm sure that wouldn't rattle the badasses of ChiefsPlanet

it's just unbelievable how much better everyone on this site thinks they are than everyone else when these monstrous stories occur...

I'm sure Joe Paterno condones child molestation...

I have a hard time believing all of these successful, high ranking officials stood by and tried to sweep child molestation under the rug...perhaps they were oblivious...in fact, I'm sure they were...but I doubt they really thought this guy was raping child after child.

I think most people wouldn't logically think, "welp, the school seems to think child rape is no big deal so I'll just keep doing my thing and allow a sick **** to continue holding overnight programs with youths."

If they can't get the clue even though he was accused of it on multiple occasions, they have no business being high ranking officials.

Reading fail.

says the guy who admits to having sex with passed out females.

That's the part that I don't get. I don't defend his actions the night it happened, but I can understand his actions. The part I can't defend is why you would associate yourself with pieces of shit like that, especially when they keep letting him get away with it.

I don't blame him anymore than I blame the janitor that saw practically the same thing at another time. He was just a dumb kid who didn't know what to do. But if he really did talk to his dad, his dad really is a complete piece of shit if this is how he advised him to handle it.

They knew enough to try to protect PSU by banning the guy from bringing children to the facility. They'll ignore it as long as it stays off campus.

Absolutely. I would hope that it haunts him. But again, behavior in a panic is different from behavior when we're thinking rationally. There's a lot of stuff McQueary has done since then that are off. There's no way I'd want to associate myself with scumbags, knowing they're sweeping this under the rug.

what this creep did was truly horrific...

but lets burn him at the stake, not everyone else that has ever worked at Penn State

I knew a kid in high school, a ladies man...girls loved him, was said to be "hung like a horse"...

well a few years ago everyone started saying he was gay...that there was proof he was gay...and all of my friends were like..."wow, I can't believe that dude is gay!"

I, for one, never believed it...I hung out with him all the time back in high school...he nailed some of the hottest girls I've ever seen...and a ton of them, too. Never once did he put off a gay vibe.

Well it turns out he took a girl home and wouldn't **** her...so the girl decided he was gay...well the truth was he just couldn't get hard anymore. Serious ED problems.

But everyone just assumed he was gay instead.

So yeah...I'm sure Joe Paterno just stood by for 30 years while knowing this guy he worked closely with was having sex with 10 year old boys the entire time. I'm sure Paterno figured that would never come back to haunt him in any way!

There is no way in my mind that any of these officials being targeted (IMO as bad as the actual criminal) actually thought this guy was having sex with children. Perhaps they knew he had some inappropriate interactions in the past, but I HIGHLY doubt anyone actually thought he was a sick **** child raper.

I just can't imagine that being true.

Maybe I have too much faith in humanity.

what a myth that is

I'm sorry that I've hooked up with hot girls and a lot of people are jealous on this site...I realize my game is a gift and not everyone knows how to talk to girls.

I'm glad people took a fun "frat" story between an EX-GIRLFRIEND and I and spun it into something ridiculous.

I apologize for the miserable lives most of the members on this board lead.

I do not apologize for being cooler than 95% of you, though. That's a gift that I cherish.

I understand child molestation is perhaps THE WORST crime one can commit...

but it was never Joe Paterno's job to catch a predator...

but it's good to know that every single person in the world that has an internet connection is a better person than Joe Paterno...

I think they chose not to believe it. They were willfully ignorant. As to whether or not everyone on CP would have reported it, that's irrelevant. If I would have been to afraid or whatever to report it, that's on me. It's a shitty character flaw even if it's one that I unknowingly share.

If I'm not mistaken, all this information is in the grand jury report, is it not? If so, I don't know what else you can say. You can't possibly compare a bunch of brain dead high school students gossiping to a grand jury.

Wow. You have some serious issues, Hootie.

You don't think there are coaches, star players, starters, etc... who get caught up in shady shit. Maybe assault. Maybe rape. Etc...? And knowing what we know about how college programs handle problems, do you think their first instinct is to go straight to the authorities? Or do you think they'll do everything they can to cover shit up and do everything they can to keep the story from going public?

This latest pathetic cry for attention brought to you by Pootie!

hey look at me

i know more than all of you

i'm cooler than all of you

i'm an expert on everything

just ask me

i'll tell you

really i will

Sure glad Hootie showed up to be the voice of reason.

I think that patteau might agree with you (see: his take on clergy not reporting molestation to police), but few others will.

I just have a hard time believing that all of these people (JoePa, G.A., AD, President) are all indecent people...and stood by knowingly while a man had sex with many children.

That's my point.

I'm all for burning the monster at the stake...just not everyone who knew the freaking guy.

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but in today's social media world all we want is a BIG story...and Joe Paterno is a BIG story...so so be it

Dart and Fraz...

I'll post my opinion whenever and wherever I want to. You two miserable ****s will never get in the way of that, and the more you post about your angst towards me the more I'll post, that's just how I work.

So you two fat ****s can choke on a big fat polish with extra kraut.

Who said you couldn't post your worthless opinions here?

Not me.

Post away all you want.

It makes great entertainment.

And it proves to everyone here what a boob you are.

I can't stand sauerkraut, but bring on the polish!

i understand you moved

and have no friends

because everybody thinks you're a dumb**** loudmouth yankee jerk

with a pizza face

who is desperate to be the center of attention

and none of the drunk losers you used to hang out with text you anymore

no more lols with your posse of tards

out of sight

out of mind

so you come here

to get the attention you don't rate in real life

its okay pootie

we've learned to live with it

So, Hootie, say one day you actually procreate (God forbid) and one day a man sees your 10 year old son being involuntarily anally-violated in a shower. He says nothing to you, because "that's not his job."

Would you still agree with your assertion above?

The minute there is any suspiscion, don't you start asking him "hey, Jerry, why the **** are you bringing that kid on the field after what we accused you of?" Isn't that when you start banning him from your campus? Isn't that when you step in?

A year ago, I would have told you that Tressel was a pretty classy coach. Then you learn he will do whatever it takes to protect the reputation of the program. So yes, I absolutely believe that these guys would sweep this under the rug because they know it would tarnish the Penn State name. It's pretty amazing it's been kept quiet for 10 years.

I don't answer Donger dead end questions...

pertaining to this thread, the perp was preying on boys from "broken" homes that, from what I understand, usually didn't have present fathers.

So therefore this is an off topic question.

please go find posts from me over the past 2 months that scream "I need attention"

I read a lot more threads and only post when I have an opinion...and I'd say 95% of my posts since I moved were baseball playoff related, or Chiefs related.

So good try, miserable fat ****.

No, it really isn't. You just said that it was "never Joe Paterno's job to catch a predator..."

So, would you feel differently if it were your son being raped?