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I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley
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How many players show up to camp out of shape? How many good players have we re-signed on the cheap? I can only think of a handful of games where our team played without heart. There is a difference between being outmatched and beaten to submission and being outplayed.
I don't get why people obsess over game managers. If you want a guy to manage games then hire norv Turner. I'd rather a guy who coaches a good team. Haley does that. I want a 2 year extension and a concerted effort to get him a real qb. We spend endless threads btiching about the importance of a qb then we expect Haley to win with below average qbs. Doesn't make any sense. |
Welcome to Club Reality. The guy's a moron, as I and others have known for a while, and anyone who doesn't see it yet will realize their mistake sooner or later. Likely sooner. Definitely sooner.
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Wiegmann needs to be replaced due to age. I would argue that if we replace Richardson and Wiegmann we could get away with Lilja at LG. You don't need a flawless line to win a SB. I'd also argue that if Powe pans out at NT we'd have a very solid DL, but depth is needed. |
...how anyone can expect continuity with a revolving door at OC is fooling themselves...
...even more amazing is after losing JC, EB and TM, the majority on this board wanted to SFL, yet still expects/expected the team to win games. ...this season was shot weeks ago. |
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Turns out they were just a bunch of frauds. Like last year. |
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it'll get you every time, dude. |
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I dont care who the coaches or players are anymore...
I just want to win a superbowl and could careless about who the HC is or the name on the back of the jersey... |
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Bowe averaged about 80 receptions and 1000 yards his first two years. Real underachievers there. |
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A real QB would instantly make this line look better. |
Bill Cowher was at cabbalas buying a deer blind today
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Cowher bought 99% of his QBs blind as well
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Answer this question:
Will the Kansas City Chiefs be good next year? |
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Hali.. yeah... if you can't see the difference between then and now you're blind. Hali was an 8 sack guy prior to Haley and was coming off a 3 sack season. Now he's a 15 sack guy and one of the elite pass rushers in the NFL. Of course, now you can tell me how DJ always played up to his potential and is no better now than he was before. Or maybe that it's all a coincidence and that Johnson was just due for his breakout season as a six year veteran. |
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You know what? Aaron Rodgers doesn't get blown out because when his defense falls behind, he picks up the pace. The Chiefs don't have someone like that. Other than Indianapolis, how many games can you remember where Matt Cassel picked up his defense? |
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And, the more I read about how Haley is the Devil, the more fuzzled my bum becomes. Assuming that these people want the Chiefs to succeed, they should realize that Haley (or whomever the coach might be) has to adjust our approach to the game in order to fit the scheme to Cassel's abilities ... and those abilities are very limited. The result is a collage of risk-taking, aberrant play-calls, tired defenses, runs to nowhere, and dinky-dunks. Not to mention the overall malaise that is bound to affect your locker room when the players know full well that we are A) Utterly unable to maintain a consistent offensive attack and B) Come from behind. Charles saved our asses last season, but without him, Haley has once again been charged with making chicken salad out of walrus feces and is criticized for the effort. It's too bad for a lot of reasons ... not the least of which is that Haley will likely be very successful in this league as a head coach someday ... but probably not here. And that's a shame. FAX |
We've been blown out with Charles and without Charles.
14 blowouts in 42 games is not an accident. Haley is garbage. |
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I wanted to wait his 3rd year to form an honest opinion of him. Honestly he sucks.
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Haley is what he is, another one hit wonder offensive coordinator like Mike Mularkey, Greg Robinson, any many, many others. Honestly, he doesn't have a super impressive, or long, track record as an OC either. He's done nothing to indicate that he's anything other than replaceable. I don't even buy the "players play hard for him" line. If they did, more talented Chiefs teams, which this definitely is, wouldn't be getting curb stomped more than the Herm teams did.
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Haley failed miserably this year from the start of training camp. The team looks soft, scared, unprepared, unorganized and just generally sucks. That is not the sign of a good head coach in his 3rd year with a team.
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How many players can you say "that guy is not playing up to his potential" under Haley? How many close games did we win last year because of NEGATIVE QB play? What if we had an AVERAGE QB play against Denver two weeks ago? What about this week against New England--a guy who could actually finish up drives? Better yet... why did we lose to Baltimore? Primarily because of negative QB play. Our QB is a virus. I saw Palko this week move tight ends and RBs into positions to pick up the blitz. I saw him call his own plays, whereas Cassel look confusedly to the sideline for direction. I saw Palko dictate the tempo of the game. And all year long, Haley/Muir's playcalls are getting receivers open. What the **** do you do when your QB doesn't hit those open guys? What do you do when your QB is so inept at throwing to the deep field that the entire defense is gunning for 20 yards and in? I don't care how gifted a carpenter you are. You're not going to build a good house with a plastic hammer. |
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It's obvious we weren't going to win with Cassel even if we were well prepared. |
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I'm not convinced Haley is a bad coach, but I don't think Pioli and Haley can work together, so it's a moot point. |
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I believe Pioli forced Weis and Crennel on Haley. I also believe keeping Gailey was more a favor to Hunt. I don't think Haley had a choice but to run the 2-gap 3-4. I think Haley was playing nice on the Weis hire, but no, I don't think it was a hire he necessarily wanted to make. And yes, given that Haley completely opened up the gameplan for Palko, a journeyman, it says a lot about how much he trusts Cassel. Pioli is the problem. Let your head coach coach, and build the system around him. It took longer for Pioli to build Haley a defense because he had to get completely different personnel. And Cassel has clearly held the offense very far back. |
Reading what you guys post is absolutely priceless...
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It's not changing anytime soon. It's what he does best - embarrass the organization. |
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You're going to get blown out a lot when you have to develop a strategy around keeping the ball out of the hands of your QB. |
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The Packers have a very good defense. They give up a ton of points. Great offenses pick up a defense when they have an off day. And our Defense has a lot more good days than they have bad. Cassel should be able to pick up at least a few of those for his defense. Secondly, how many bad defensive performances were in the second half after they were left on the field the entire first half because of poor QB play? A good QB improves the defense. For one, he picks them up when they struggle. He keeps them largely off the field. And he forces them to become one-dimensional. You know why GB gets a lot of sacks and forces turnovers? Because opposing offenses HAVE to pass in order to keep up. |
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Don't act like Haley has built anything in KC. He hasn't. We have a loose collection of talent Haley has molded into a shit D and a shit O. |
He's out of here. No way he gets an extension now.
It doesn't matter that a few players got better supposedly because Haley made them better (lol), that doesn't mean anything when the team looks as bad as this one does, loses like it does, by as many points as it does. No. Good bye, sir. |
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1) the Chiefs' defense in more games does enough to make the game winnable. They are more than adequate for a good offense and a hell of a lot better than what New Orleans or even New England have. 2) Again, it goes back to Pioli. You blame Haley for '09? What about Pioli for forcing a 3-4 on a 4-3 team? What about Pioli for being so stuck on his friends that he hired Romeo to run an outdated scheme? Haley never had a choice in this. I don't think the defense is that bad. But the reason they aren't great is a hell of a lot more on Pioli than it is Haley. Again, who on defense is underperforming their talent level? Who? Nobody can answer that question because he's' made the most out of almost every player he's coached. |
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Detroit? No. Miami? No. New England? No. Four of our six losses the defense sucked horse cock. They also tried to give the game away in Indianapolis. Fortunately the offense bailed them out. This is not a good defense, and wasn't last year when it mattered in the playoffs. |
Haley will be back in 2012 IMO.
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And again, you're assuming the defense is on Haley. I blame Pioli for hiring Crennel and jamming a 3-4 onto him. |
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Grampa Dick used to complain that the offense scored too fast, which put pressure on the defense. Nowadays, it's because the offense is a 3-and-out machine. On account of our record and the blowout losses, people are going to hate Haley regardless of the facts or the truth or the actualityness of the situation. I, on the other hand, prefer to reserve my unreasonable and irrational hate for Cassel and his family. FAX |
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But they did get better while he was here, did they not? |
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The same people who say we can't win without a franchise qb let alone a qb who nnegatively contributes... The same people who say Clark hunt is shortchanging this team of talent by being cheap... The same people who blast pioli for screwing up the qb, nt, pass rusher and for being a bad gm.... These are the same people who grill Haley for losing despite being shortchanged of talent especially at qb and nt. When things go wrong the first instinct is to blame everybody. |
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Haley's definitely not Rich Kotite. He's also not Bill Walsh. To me, he's just a guy. Yeah, he got a bit of a raw deal with the Cassel thing, but that's balanced out by the fact that I'm not sure he was really ready or competent enough to be a HC. If he gets canned, it won't bother me. If he stays, it won't bother I will say this: if we do draft a QB in the first (I'm still pessimistic), I'd much rather have Haley than some retread defensive coach (John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, etc.) who loathes the thought of developing a young QB and just wants someone to manage the game. |
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I'm not saying he only gets credit for the losses or bad outcomes but not the good, I'm saying that to assume that those players improved solely because of Haley is a logical misstep. |
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I don't know his ceiling. Maybe its low. But he's shown tremendous upside and he deserves a shot at doing things his way instead of the gm jamming the patriot way down his throat. |
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* Except Tyler Palko. |
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It's like those people who blame the iceberg for the Titanic. Or, those people who blame the New Orleans flood on backed up sewers. Or, those people who blame Torgo for tying up The Master's wife to that pole. FAX |
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I would just like to see what Haley could do with a good quarterback ... not even a great one ... just a good, decent quarterback who can go through his progressions, throw a good, accurate pass in the 10 to 40 yard range, and demonstrate decent pocket presence.
I honestly believe that, given his knowledge of the passing game, he could do some very interesting things with a guy like that. I'll probably never get the chance to see it, though. FAX |
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Second half Drive 1: we get to the 34 yard line. Charles doesn't convert on a 4th and 1. Mostly effective drive. By the way, main reason we didn't get a first down on that drive was because Charles dropped an easy dump-off pass on first down. Baltimore fg - 13-7 Drive 2: Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intentional grounding on first down. 2nd and 20 -- sacked for -5 yards. 3rd and 25 -- McCluster fumbles. Uh... yeah, you think the QB and not the coaching is to blame here? Baltimore fg (gifted to them) - 16-7 Drive 3: Matt Dipshit Cassel -- intercepted on the second play of the drive. SECOND PLAY. Baltimore td (gifted to them) - 23-7 But yeah, let's blame the defense and coaching for this loss. That's an easy excuse. The Chiefs were in this game and then two boneheaded drives by the QB led to a 10 point swing that put the game out of reach. |
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Anybody else's testicles hurt all of a sudden? FAX |
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He continues to show he's a sideline hothead who can't co exist with a quality OC. That alone is reason enough to can his ass. His upside is becoming a good offensive coordinator. |
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But even with a franchise QB I still get the heebie jeebies that Haley would do something dumb in a close game in the playoffs. |
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We're running the worst McDonalds in town and you want to blame the fry cook and the register biscuits instead of the manager. |
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We would be far better off with that guy coaching this team. At any position. Plus, we didn't even try to hire an OC this past offseason. Haley didn't even practice due diligence. Muir is a farce of a hire. |
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You people don't want to blame Haley for ANYTHING. |
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Pioli has to quit being a control freak and let his coaches coach. Isn't it clear Haley wants to call plays? Then freaking let him. |
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