I do agree with what he or she said about Barkley. I am NOT sold on that guy.

I'm not going to read through the whole thread so apologies if this has already been stated.

Re: Ferentz...

I like him as coach of the Hawkeyes. Not completely sold on him coaching the Chiefs.

I like the fact that he gets more out of less talent than most coaches I've watched. The Hawkeyes' recruiting classes have no business keeping Iowa competitive in the Big 10..and this year they really weren't. But for the most part, they've fielded competitive, top-25 teams that do well in bowl games.

I also like the fact that Ferentz has longevity in one place. He's had NUMEROUS opportunities to bolt Iowa for greener pastures but hasn't. I like coaches that aren't always looking at the next gig.

Finally, I like the fact that he's coached a lot of guys that are now playing in the NFL. 35 to be exact. So I'm confident that he would be able to coach these guys up.

But I have some concerns about Ferentz coaching the Chiefs.

1. Game management. He's far too conservative for my tastes. The 2009 game against Ohio State comes to mind. We had clawed back from a 2 TD deficit on the road in the 4th quarter and actually got the ball in relatively good field position with timeouts and a chance to win the game and the Big Ten. He basically ran out the clock and went for overtime, a game we lost.

2. Bringing in college coaches just don't thrill me. Yeah, he's got experience with the NFL but not as a head coach. I don't know, I like guys who have more time in the NFL than that.

3. For his success at Iowa, there are no National Championships/title contenders to show for it. There have been disappointing lapses in discipline and many players who get into trouble. I know they're college kids, but I just wonder how he'd do at dropping the hammer on players.

I think we could do worse...and his personality is about as far from Haley as you'll ever see. No more F-bombs or tirades from Ferentz, that's for sure.

The big concern is game management, IMO.

Yes, I'm from Iowa... Where I have watched all of Stanzi's college college play and I know what he is capable of doing...
derp derp derp derp

I was just joking with you dude. Welcome have you seen the thread about the Chiefs rant and the swimming pool?

I couldn't believe that Ohio State game. Wasn't that the first game after the Stanzi injury? I mean, was he seriously expecting JVB to miraculously lead the team to victory in OT? Should have just taken the win when it was there.

No I have not actually... Lol? and okay :D

You will find out real quickly that fellow Chiefs fans are a very pleasant group of people.... especially to newcomers!!! Hey, at least someone responded to you! That's like a special occasion when that happens to me. :D

Yes, it was that game. I couldn't believe what I was watching...I mean, we were on a roll and I have little to no doubt we would have driven down the field and won the game. I just HATE when coaches get tight when the game's on the line.

IMO, Cowher doesn't want to come...
Realisticly, I'm not even sure Ferentz will because his son, James Ferentz(Iowa's center) has one more year left. UNLESS(this is near impoosible) Kirk tells his son to either suck it up or tell him to leave for the draft his junior year and then Kirk picks him up in the draft for the Chiefs. Means we will need a center (Casey has numbered days now).
OR
We get Fisher... fxck McDaniels... We already took a risk for a no name and lost.

I totally agree.

You can cuss on here. Its against the rules to avoid the censors.

I look forward to Gif Horse's future coaching highlight videos featuring Captain Kirk

I'd be ok with Ferentz.. I LOVE the Hayden Fry coaching tree...

Of all the college coaches out there, he's not my first pick but I'd be willing to give him a shot for sure.

Of the bigger names out there I think he'd be the most likely. I just don't the the FO would be willing to give what it would take...

Good thing they played their games on Saturdays.

I doubt the other pre-schoolers would have given up the TV for your game watching.

Web search says if you dislocate a finger you can pretty much count on having it immobilized in a splint for one month. He may not have been bad, possibly not much ligament damage. Thought he had a chance to at least be the backup last week.

Ferentz would bring good fundamental football. Talented players will shine under him. Good tackling, good line play, ball security. Disciplined play. He's a coach in the truest sense. Not an Xs & Os wiz kid.

My worry would be that he's too conservative for todays NFL. However, with the right coordinators that might not be an issue. I think every Ferentz coached team will have his stamp on it, but the offensive and defensive philosophies are open to the coordinator's direction.

Didn't this guy get beat by Minnesota this year? Lulz.

I hadn't thought this was truly a possible option prior to this year. Especially while Haley was still employed. Today changed that a little bit. Pioli, as arrogant as he is, isn't altogether stupid. Do you really think he'd fire Haley with no idea whatsoever who would replace him? As highly as Pioli thinks of himself, I doubt he would leave this up to luck.

Besides, given the possibilities talked about for Haley's replacement up to this point, for me, it's either Ferentz or Gruden. Not a huge fan of the other possibilities.

and a picture of McDaniels came up in my search, WTF????

I am so worried of Pioli hiring McDaniels that this news/rumor actually makes me strangely happy.

Can't be any worse.

Actually he has a pro background.

ROFL

Dude runs an O that makes Herm look like Martz.

With Haley ready to quit I am not sure their relationship would have lasted even if Pioli wanted to wait. Either way he probably knew he needed to get the Chiefs name in the coaching ring ASAP. Not doubting he had serious ideas of who it was, but I don't think he would have held on to Todd if he didn't have a serious option.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Actually Iowa's offense isn't much different than the Chiefs offense at all. Aside from a few player strengths, like Charles being deadly fast, changing some tendencies. We lack the ability for the OL to block and to run up the middle. Fix the OL and get a decent sized back and we'd be good there. Iowa's offense has way more big plays in the passing game though...

Well lets be honest, its hard to have less than a Cassel led team.

In their senior years, with Stanzi playing in a pro-style offense, Stanzi threw for 3,004yds. Just 182yds. less than what Gabbert threw for in 130 less attempts. Threw 9 more TD's too.

I am just saying lets not use the Chiefs passing game as proof of anything. I am all for letting Stanzi start the last 3 games. I was all for him starting the last 8. I don't know about Ferentz. Truth be told, I can live with anything that means no Cassel. That is the first goal. Nothing good can happen until he is gone.

Ferentz is also a great judge of character, as only 11 of Iowa's football players got suspended in a massive drug scandal last year. Couple that with Pioli's talent-judging abilities (ie, Matt Cassel's $60+ million contract), and they both should be long gone by the 2015 season.

Then Clark Hunt can make another mistake at GM and after that GM hires two shitty coaches and gets fired, we can start all over again. And I'm a glass-is-half-full kind of guy.

I know...that's why I said it. The Hawkeyes have plenty of excitement is all I was saying. All the excitement of a pro football team anyway. Some people get so used to their spread monkey bullshit they forget about real football. What about the guys from Oregon and Boise St., their offenses are way exciting. Should we go get em?

According to my son, this was more due to the OC than to Ferentz. However he added the caveat that Ferentz was totally loyal to the OC whom everyone wanted fired. Shades of Dick Vermeil.

That's very good. Isn't the spread offense supposed to be more akin to gaudy passing numbers?

At least seeing some meaningful action for the tape.

I'm glad you brought that to my attention. I will assign Ferentz to just coaching and Pioli to creating and maintaining the right 53.

Dude, DJK was squeeky clean and it came as a shock to EVERYONE that he had a drug house.

I don't think I even want to watch the rest of the games unless they're going to play the kid.

Also, one of my arguments up to this point of why Ferentz won't leave Iowa was as he'd stated, he wasn't leaving until all of his children had graduated.

I guess that I assumed he meant college, and having a 17yr. old, that that'd be awhile.

Just learned today, that the 17yr. old isn't a Jr. as I'd expected, but a senior in H.S. It's possible that Kirk was only talking about his kids graduating H.S. and he could be free and clear to move on.

Still, you'd think he would want to coach his son James in his final year at Iowa, and if his youngest has the option to play football, you'd think he'd want the same experience with him that he'd had with his other sons...

all good points, but...

coaches are competitors too...he's got to know that it's incredibly unlikely he will ever win a national championship at Iowa. They're just never going to be able to out recruit the USC's and what have you.

If he were to go to the NFL, he could conceivably win a championship. AND Pioli's a friend, AND the team is in a lot better shape than it looks, AND it's still in the neighborhood geographically speaking.

I don't know if it'll happen or not, or if I even want it to, but I think if it were offered he'd probably take it.

He reminds me of a white Bill Belichick.

I don't know why people think he will really leave Iowa. Having connections to Pioli will not be enough.

Not really. I'd prefer he stay at Iowa.

He's a Nebraska fan and he's EXTREMELY bitter about Stanzi and anything else related to Iowa. I've been told by him and others that the Iowa fans they have to deal with on a daily basis are insufferable. I used to work in Omaha with a ton of Big Red fans and we never had those issues, so I'm not sure what's up.

Yeah, Norm has diabetes and lost his foot to amputation last year. But Phil has been on the staff for years, so while this might be an opportune time to step away, I agree that it's more likely they just promote Phil and go forward.

It's not "his" offense. His coordinators have 100% autonomy as jspchief said. However, he picks the coordinators and there are other issues like clock management that suggest he's ultra-conservative.

If he doesn't leave now, he never will. He's 56 or 57 years old I believe.

No, NO and ****ING NO!
As a Hawk Fan I say in all honesty Kirk is NOT NFL HEAD COACH material.

I'd take him over Mcdingleberry any day

I hope it's not true.

I think Ferentz is a solid individual and definitely gets the most out of his players, but I don't want to watch his style of play in KC again.

I say again because Ferentz is martyball. He's great with offensive linemen and has NFL experience, so I think we'd see immediate improvement on the O-line, but the offense would be martyball and the defense would be bend-don't-break, not aggressive.

While I tend to agree, I still think the schemes, especially on defense, would be up for debate.

He gives his coordinators total freedom. The defense is Norm's, not Kirk's.

Plz god can we not give this the Old college try.

I can just see 3yrs from now at the news conference...

I tried my best but my heart remains with college ball ..blah blah blah

However I dont want to see McDaniels either.

http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansa...tz-will-not-be

Despite Relationship With Scott Pioli, Iowa's Kirk Ferentz Will Not Be Kansas City Chiefs' Next Head Coach

Dec 13 6:45a by Matthew Hays

Read More: Brian Ferentz (C - ATL), Tony Moeaki (TE - KAN), Ricky Stanzi (QB - KAN), Baltimore Ravens, Kansas City Chiefs, New England Patriots, Cleveland Browns, Iowa Hawkeyes

Kansas City Chiefs fans are well aware of Scott Pioli's relationship with Kirk Ferentz, head coach at the University of Iowa. It's the point of ad nauseam as you will never hear Tony Moeaki or Ricky Stanzi being talked about, without the reference to Pioli's ongoing friendship with Ferentz.

As much as Pioli is mentioned as being a New England guy, he is also mentioned as being Ferentz's friend.

Well I am writing this to alert you that Kirk Ferentz will not be the next head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Many Chiefs fans will be relieved, some may be indifferent and few likely will be sad as many fans don't think Ferentz necessarily has the experience to captain the Chiefs in the future.

Besides, would Kansas City fans really want two head coaches in a row that graduated from the same high school? That has no bearing on the future at all, but I do find it an amusing anecdote that Todd Haley and Ferentz are both graduates of Pittsburgh's Upper St. Clair High School.

This may be the one time where a sports bias can help you, as I am both a fan of the University of Iowa, and the Chiefs. I am educated when it comes to the background of Ferentz.

Let's look at what qualifies Ferentz to be the next Kansas City head coach. The 56-year old played linebacker at Connecticut and has been involved in coaching at the college or NFL level since 1977. From 1993-1998 Ferentz was offensive line coach for the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens franchise. He was on staff with Bill Belichick, further cementing his New England/Pioli ties.

In 1999, Ferentz, who had been the offensive line coach at Iowa from 1981-1989, took over the Hawkeyes program from the retiring Hayden Fry. He has taken an Iowa program from 1-10 and 3-9 records in his first two seasons to a 98-65 overall record, including four seasons of double digit wins and two BCS bowls.

At Iowa, Ferentz has commonly done less with more than many other programs in college football. For the size of the state, Ferentz has generally exceeded expectations and continually taken unheralded prospects and turned them into NFL prospects. Currently, Iowa has the eighth most players in the NFL of any college program. Offensive line play has continued to be a staple of Iowa's program under his watch.

Does that necessarily mean that Ferentz would be able to translate into an NFL head coach? The jury is out. Ferentz isn't a fiery coach and is more laid back. That is unlike Haley, and likely something Pioli would be looking for.

Though Ferentz has never jumped back into the NFL, he certainly has been mentioned for head coaching jobs before. However Ferentz has continually pledged his allegiance to Iowa.

Now looking at why Ferentz won't be the coach, it has nothing to do with experience, as it does with wanting to stay committed to Iowa.

His son James is a junior at Iowa and the starting center on the football team. Their youngest son, Steve is a senior at Iowa City High, and likely to join sons James and Brian as Ferentz boys who have played under their father at Iowa. Would Kirk pass up his son's senior season at Iowa and the possibility of having two sons on his team at the same time? I doubt it.

If one thing can be said, Ferentz is a loyal man. With Iowa's long-time defensive coordinator Norm Parker retiring on Sunday after a long coaching career, Ferentz doesn't seem to be the type of person who would leave the program with that much uncertainty going on at campus.

Now with Iowa finishing 8-5 last season and being 7-5 this season there certainly is pressure on Ferentz to get back to a stronger winning percentage. With a $3.65 million annual salary, many Iowa fans are wanting to see better results. That would spell a perfect time for an exit, and NFL Network's Charles Davis agrees, saying this-

Can't say that the news of Todd Haley's dismissal is surprising. In a lot of ways, it was a matter of when, not if. Now speculation turns to who's next. The name that intrigues me the most is Kirk Ferentz, head coach at Iowa. In the past he has resisted the siren song of the NFL, but to me, if he's ever going to make the move, this would be the time and place for it.

However, getting back the timing of Norm Parker's retirement and the chance to not only coach James' senior year, but also possibly have two sons on the team at Iowa next season, I don't see Ferentz taking the bait this time either.

Now if he did take the job, I imagine the Chiefs would have Brian Ferentz as their TE coach next season. Currently the TE coach with the Patriots (again, notice the connection?), the Patriots tight ends have been barnstorming through the league this season. While a lot of that has to do with pure talent on their roster, you can't argue that what Brian Ferentz is doing is working.

This writing probably comes off as a Ferentz love fest to many Chiefs fans, but let me just assure those of you that are skeptics of his possibility of coaching the Chiefs next year. Don't worry, Kirk Ferentz is not coming to Kansas City.

Meh. He's not my favorite, but it's better than McDaniels.

The thing about Ferentz is that he'd have to be lured away from Iowa - he's got a nice gig going. If you were told that a condition of employment with the Chiefs is that Matt Cassel is your anointed starter, you'd probably not have interest. If Pioli really wants Ferentz, perhaps he'll be willing to cut the Golden Child loose.

ROFL

I thought about mentioning Ferentz' western PA roots but I completely forgot that he and Haley went to the same school.

Won't happen.

He won't leave till his kids are out of college. In about 5 years his youngest will be out.

He'll be over 60 at that point.

If he doesn't leave now, he won't ever leave.

So IF this turns out to be true, does that mean our chances of passing on a QB in the draft go up? You'd think Ferentz would want to go all in with Stanzi as the QB of this team....which may be good or bad, but it would be dumb to pass up on a Barkley or RGIII in the draft if they happen to be available.

Ferentz isn't stupid. He's going to try and get the best QB for his system, regardless.

The minute Ferentz became the HC of the Chiefs, Stanzi's connection to him at Iowa would cease to be a factor.

I would think Stanzi would have at least a chance to compete for the starting job next year were this to happen. I just hope we draft a first round QB....I really really do. I'm gonna be soooooo pissed if someone is staring us in the face in the first round and we pass.

Sure Stanzi would get a shot. But the fact he went to Iowa would have nothing to do with it. Ferentz doesn't really play favorites.

Right on... remember the Stanzi vs. Christensen QB controversy? When Christensen signed, he was, hands down the more favored recruit. He was highly touted coming out of high school. Stanzi was virtually an unknown outside of Ohio. However, when Christensen failed to produce, along comes Stanzi in a heated starting QB competition in which Stanzi ultimately won, in what I would consider to be relatively convincing fashion.

I am an Iowan who likes the Hawkeyes (not as much as the Chiefs though) and I am not for the Chiefs hiring Ferentz as the HC. HOWEVER, one positive I can see coming from this is the fact that I have seen numerous quotes/implications from Pioli that indicate that he has a great amount of respect for Ferentz. The fact that Pioli respects Ferentz would possibly open up the window for the two being co-productive and Ferentz not being a Pioli "gopher" like Mcdaniels would be.

Gonna' ****ing miss Norm for more reasons than his X and Os. God give him health.

Another thing about Iowa.... there are MANY Hawkeye football fans. As mediocre of a program as it may be considered to people residing outside of Iowa, it is undeniable that the program has a big, loyal fanbase. However, many of them are on the fence about which NFL team to root for because we don't have one in our state.

IF Ferentz went to KC and succeeded

and

IF Stanzi does prove himself to be a legit NFL QB (he was a popular figure in Iowa)

and

IF Moeaki bounces back from his knee injury.......

many of these "on the fence regarding which NFL team to root for" Iowa fans may become Chiefs fans.

Kansas City is not far away from Iowa to the point where Iowans wouldn't be willing to purchase tickets and commute to watch the games on a semi-regular basis. The move could put more butts in the seats if everything worked out in successful fashion.... but that's a big IF.

You should see the Hibbett Sports Store in Iowa City.... most Chiefs apparel is Stanzi or Moeaki-related... with a few Cassel/Charles jerseys sprinkled in there. The last time I went to Hibbett's, the Stanzi jerseys were sold out with an exception of 1 youth jersey.

I don't know a SINGLE Iowan who is undecided as to what NFL, MLB or any other team he roots for; and I know an awful lot of Iowans.

Well, then we know Iowans from different parts of the state. I am ALWAYS running into people who say they "don't follow" the NFL. Just the Hawkeyes. Always. And not only do I run into them, I can list MANY of them off the top of my head that I know don't follow the NFL.

Remember when Pete Carrol signed Matt Leinart? Or when he traded for Carson Palmer? Do you think he'd actually trade up to draft Barkley?

Remember when Jim Harbaugh convinced Andrew Luck to leave so they could rule the NFL together?

If (God forbid) Ferentz is our coach, Stanzi will be treated as he should be: Like a JAG.

Chick has a nice tight rack though! :thumb: Nice Find.

You need to quit hanging out in Independence.

Exactly. Jake was an ESPN Elite 11 QB whose dad played NFL ball. Stanzi's only real offer was from Miami of Ohio.

You lost me here, didn't even read further and erased whatever else you wrote. How many mediocre programs have 4 top-10 finishes in the last decade?

The Ferentz rumor mill goes out every year and every year its not true.

Lol, LMAO! I've discussed Independence, IA with someone on this board before... I think it was that Kurt Cobain dude. That's funny that you reference that town. My brother actually wrestled (and beat) a kid from Independence in the finals at state wrestling. Last I knew, that kid got busted for flashing a fake gun at a bank teller.

Mostly Iowa City, Dubuque, Burlington, surrounding small town SEI people that I associate with.... and some on the wrestling boards.

I'm from Dubuque...and I root for the Chiefs.



I am 100% behind Anamaria Ferentz becoming the next Chiefs HC.

Did I say I was one of the people who considered them mediocre? No. But it is quite apparent via these boards that many people who are not Hawkeye fans consider them to be mediocre at best. Not me, I (for the most part) know what's up with Iowa/Iowans.

Yeah Independence gets all the jokes when it's Muscatine that stinks the worst.

I am a Loras alum. You are officially the 2nd Dubuquian that I have met that is a Chiefs fan... which is great. One of my best friends (you may know him, first name, Adam, won state wrestling for Dubuque Hempstead) is a die-hard Chiefs fans as well.

Lol, even funnier. I can literally smell Muscatine from my office.

I have to disagree.
I think most Iowa NFL fans already have made their pick as to who to root for.

We got our Vike Fans
We got our Packer Fans
And we got our Bears Fans


Some of us just got unlucky and decided to be Chief fans.

Many Iowans do have their team of choice... and yes, it is generally those three. I have even seen some Colts fans around the last few years.... what the hell is up with that? Some Steeler fans. Some lingering 49er fans as well. But there are many who don't have a team. I swear to that.

Colt Fans in Iowa = Bandwagoners
Steeler Fans = Fans that like a winning team
49er Fans= Grew up in the 80's

Buddy played juco baseball there, called it "Scumatine".
Heinz Ketchup FTW!!

Right on. Every once in a while, I'll even encounter a Saints fan. I never, ever met a Saints fan until they won the Super Bowl.

LMAO Heinz Ketchup, Hon office supplies and there is a Tyson pig slaughtering factory not far away.

It sounds like you know more of the Naperville hipsters and out of state longhairs that live in Iowa city, not Iowans.

No way dude. I hate Chicaburbians.

Am I seriously the only Iowan who encounters NFL-apathetic Iowans on a regular basis?

I think so. Everybody I know has a team.
The real question is why did my youngest son become a Bronco's fan?

At least I get to go to Denver on 1/1/12 to see the game.