Two months and change until Spring Training, and that's all that matters at this point. :)

Wow. Hopefully Pioli hears this and gets a franchise qb. At the least, just to spite Haley.

Haley is still a pussy.
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With how this season has played out he had good reason to want to fire Haley last year. The Chiefs were still getting blown out in games. They weren't getting along. And Haley went full reerun this season.

Crazy? No. Pathetic? Yes.

Did anyone else notice Todd kept looking off screen? Wonder who was there?

I guess it's okay to have some seller's remorse. It's normal.

There is, however, very little to be gained by dancing on the guy's pink slip. Haley worked his ass off for this team ... of that, I have little doubt.

But our problem now, isn't Haley. We have the Mystery Of The Bathroom Locks to solve.

FAX

PITCHERS AND CATCHERS BABY!!!










No homo

I disagree. I think it is the control freak nature of Pioli that led to the falling out. Just a gut feeling.

Which of why any GM shouldn't hire him. Any coach who plays interior talent just to piss of the GM is a shitty coach.
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No, I agree. We're just debating semantics at this point. Lots of people are too controlling, but I consider this trait more pathetic than crazy.

(Raises hand to take a piss.)

Haley reminds me of a friend that has ADD. Strange mannerisms like that...

Thomas Dimitroff was the only good thing to come from the pats front office he did it right drafted a real QB matt ryan.

His lawyer.

They keep some sets cold as hell ... on account of the lights.

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Heh. He rolled his eyes. It was funny because he was uncomfortable.

Nothing but good, for us, will come out of this.

Man I hope Clark let him have an exit interview.

The best line of the night was Keyshawn's line to the effect, "If Todd had a quarterback, he wouldn't be sitting HERE tonight."

Never mind. Looks like Haley didn't say the no quarterback part. According to Babb, he was more likely talking about the schedule.
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This would be a lot more telling if we didn't see Romeo just acto 180 degrees different than Haley ever was.

Its possible that Pioli just wanted to handle Haley differently. Maybe he's letting off a bit with Romeo. Too early to tell.

#Teamhaley

I wish that I would have recorded this. I meant to, but forgot and my father in law had a birthday party.

I think Haley will be making a play to be an analyst. I don't think he will be a head coach again. Definitely not for 10 years. Hopefully, he will have grown up by then.

I think the 'this sounds like a KC Media question' is pretty telling. I think he thought he was smarter than everyone at the press conference and was annoyed he had to answer questions from people he deemed to be inferior.

The guys he interacted with tonight were all guys in the business, in his mind, they are his peers.

I could be wrong.... but the whole image of Scott Controli just doesn't fit the way that Crennel has handled things so far.

It's also entirely possible Haley was an impressionable first time coach working under the executive of the decade, and Crennel is older and just doesn't give a you know what. This is his last rodeo and he's going to go down his way.

You really think that Crennel is going to be pushed around to do the same things that just got someone else fired?

ROFL

When at first you don't succeed, just keep posting.

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And that may be in fact why Pioli chose Haley -- he thought he'd be a lackey.

Haley was a 1st-time head coach who basically owed his position to Pioli and Hunt.

Perhaps Romeo knows he's not on their short list and is auditioning solely for a position with another team?

The bottom line is that EVERYBODY said Todd Haley was a different person when he wasn't trying to keep up the CIA act. To pretend that all of this is on Haley is ignorant in the extreme.

Do you think that Haley got fired for doing what Pioli wanted? How does that work?

Haley got fired because he acted like a child. That is why there is such a huge contrast with Crennel.... Crennel is actually worthy of the position.

Probably already asked, but anyone know if/when this is being rerun?

Crennel's too old to be a phony.

Good God Almighty.

You would think that Haley just called an on-side kick, or something. He was a friggin' guest on a TV show.

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Actually, I don't think that particular interrogatory has been proffered, Mr. OnTheWarpath58.

And, no. I have no idea ... wait a sec, though ...

... nope. I don't see a re-broadcast date.

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Good point.

My gut tells me Clark had a sit down with Pioli and said the way things are being done isn't working. Time to try things my way.

Say what you want about Clark but I think the image of the Hunt family and how they are percived to handle things is important to him and the whole veil of secrecy asshole thing didn't fit.

Haley ran over Sensible's dog.

But he sure would like to have a beer with the guy.

With or without Haley on there, it was a pretty decent show. Better than most NFL talk shows.

Romeo is the anti Haley. He is a team guy. He doesn't have Haley's ego. He is mature, he gets the big picture. He understands that there will be disagreements and he doesn't hold a grudge.

I am not putting it all on Haley, but to act like it is ALL Pioli is ridiculous.

Toddler Haley was a petulant child. He had no business leading men. A good head coach is a consensus builder. A good head coach is able to bridge the gaps between people, not drive a wedge in them to make them wider.

If you think the same guy that got a 15 yard penalty on the sidelines is the level headed one in the Pioli/Haley relationship, then I think any logic will be pretty much lost on you.

ROFL

Geez, Mr. SensibleChiefsfan.

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You contempt for Haley may very well have exceeded the contempt I had for Herm Edwards.

The Pioli/Haley relationship didn't exist at that point. Haley was childish and ran the team into the ground at the end to piss Pioli off. Pioli was childish for leaking info and not having the balls to do his job and fire a coach that he didn't think was doing a good job.

ROFL

I never said it was ALL Pioli. And I most certainly never said Haley was level-headed.

You description of Crennel belies your opinion of Haley. It's quite possible that Romeo is NONE of the things you say, it's just that he doesn't have any reason to keep selling Pioli's snake oil. He's 20 years Haley's senior, has been a HC in the league, and has multiple Super Bowl rings.

But I'm sure the more plausible explanation is that Pioli has no veil of secrecy at all, Romeo is a total gentleman, and Haley is just childish, right? Because it was Haley's policy to make sure all the blinds were closed and the media were locked in their room, unable to go to the bathroom.

Wow. I guess we will make up whatever stories we have to in order to make Pioli the villain.

We have one guy who dresses like a Hobo, insists on playing Palko, gets a 15 yard penalty on the sidelines, and is known for blowing up at players and coaches......

Yet, Pioli is the control freak that created the problem. And, now, less than a week later, Hunt sat down with Pioli and made him change it.

Don't you think that Clark could have just as easily sat down with Pioli over the last 2 and a half years while Haley was still the head coach?

Why wait until they fired Haley?

Heck, I don't know. Maybe you are right.

Heck, maybe all the illogical arguments that condem Pioli and make Haley out to be a victim are right. Maybe all the good draft picks were Haleys and the bad ones were Piolis, when he refused to listen to Haley.

I mean, all of that makes so much sense. I just don't see why I am having trouble buying into it.

You and me both. But then off of this board, I think this view is more widely held. Also, depending on what sports radio station and program you listen to.

Who is making Haley the victim. We just aren't going to let Pioli throw it all on Haley and run away free of blame. I think I get pissed off at your comments half because of what you say, and half because of the irony of your screen name. Sensible people see grey, you seem to be seeing black and white here.

Your argument is that the ENTIRE facade they've put up for the last 2.5 seasons came from Haley.

Haley put the locks on the doors and Pioli allowed it. Haley made them close the blinds and Pioli just allowed it.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Who ever said Haley was innocent.

Its not just one or the other.

You think Haley had the bathroom doors Locked? Really?

Making Haley the victim? ROFL

Obviously, making Haley the scapegoat fooled a few people. Good work, Scott.

The simple fact is that they are ALL culpable. Season's like this don't happen because of one man.

Exactly.

The world is black and white. Haley is guilty, Pioli is untouchable.

Exactly. Haley and Pioli both have major issues that caused all this. Ironically, and not shockingly, it almost all could have been overcome if it wasn't for that bastard that is our QB.

Sensible is the same guy who thinks Herm Edwards is a good coach. Nobody in a position of power in the NFL thinks he is. We'll see if anyone in a position of power thinks Haley is a good coach. I'm guessing he'll get another head coaching job. In fact, the guys on Pro Football Weekly didn't think Haley would be unemployed long. Thought he'd immediately get a head coaching job. We shall see.

The ONLY person here that agrees with him is Denise. What does that tell you?

Here is the thing. I can see visible evidence that Haley was doing things to thumb his nose at Pioli. I can read about how Haley told reporters that he was thinking about resigning.

However, I can't see any direct evidence of Pioli leaking any information. Maybe it happened, but I can't see it happening.

Heck, Haley even took a shot at Crennel tonight when he talked about the Jets game. And, Crennel is the guy that didn't want to talk about being the interim head coach when Haley was still in place AND didn't trash Haley after he left.

If Pioli was 'leaking' information, don't you think he would have just come out and used those as reasons for letting Haley go? Pioli took the high road. The mature road. He even said that he, himself, needed to do a better job. He said it SIX times at the press conference.

Hale goes on audibles and takes shots at his former team and the local media. Yet, people on here think that Pioli has the ego problem.

Hey, Haley is a likeable guy. There are a ton of imature people that are, though.

Damn, Mr. FAX.

That's a bummer. Really wanted to see this.

Maybe they'll post it on ESPN.com or something.

Kill shot.

I would LOVE to see a Mod change 'Sensible' to stupid or whatever. You can have all my casino cash ... lol

Pioli should evaluate his own position and then pack his shit.

Scotty Pioli has a Planet account LMAO

Senseless LMAO

If you look at it from his perspective and Pioli is faultless at least you can put your head in the sand blame it all on Haley and book your SB trip for next year.

We on the other hand see Pioli as the bigger issue and feel depressed.

Crennel is 65 years old. He's earned the right to basically say what the **** he wants. He's NOT going to get shitcanned this year. If he somehow makes this team look good and win a few he may keep his job. Crennel has the credibility to be himself. Haley didnt. Haley is/ways a young Coach that has to do what his boss said. I dont blame him for that. This was all new to him. Crennel? not so much.

Yep, I saw those things too.

And? The simple fact is that this team sucks. All through Haley's tenure, they acted one way towards the outside world. Now all of the sudden they start acting 180 degrees different. Are we to believe that Haley had THAT much power? If he did, then how did Pioli even manage to fire him?

Romeo took SEVERAL indirect shots at Haley. The comments about the players getting ready for the game instead of wondering about who was going to start. Changing the weight lifting schedule. Those were ALL shots at Haley, every single comment.

Of course he took the high road. He had the perfect opportunity to axe Haley and wipe the blood on somebody else's clothes. Are you really that naive?

Please, somebody post this.

A little misguided. I said he was better than he was given credit for. I don't consider him an elite coach, but he wasn't as bad as people on here said he was.

He had certain mannerisms that made people on here get annoyed by him.

Oddly, the defenders of Haley talk about lack of talent. Yet, Herm had even less talent. Herm took over an old team and completely tore it down and was rebuilding it.

Haley was handed a better QB than Herm had.... and a bunch of young ascending talent.

People gripe about the Chiefs not developing a young QB. Yet, Herm was moving that direction. He was trying to develop a young QB. Heck, had Herm still been here, the Chiefs might have actually drafted Sanchez.

When the Chiefs drafted Dorsey, Herm has said subsequently that he wanted to draft Matt Ryan, but that the Falcons had taken him.

Herm could be coaching right now if he wanted to. He doesn't. He likes his analyst job. Makes similar money for a lot less work.... and has incredible job security.

As far as Haley getting a head job.... I guess we will have to see.

Half Outline.

Tyler Thigpen is better than Cassel and it's not even close. Cassel is the worst full time starter in the league by the one metric that matters most -- yards per attempt.

Edit: Does anyone think Cassel will be a starter when he is cut loose here or Pioli is fired? Matt Cassel simply is not a starting QB in this league.

So you heard what Romeo said has changed and you didn't hear him taking subtle shots? Thats what makes people think you are indeed onsided in your thought on this.

Who locked the doors so the reporters couldn't go to the bathroom? Haley? You really think that wasn't Pioli? And if it wasn't, why did Pioli allow it?

I think that the head coach has a ton of influence about how things are run. The mere fact that Crennel can change so much in less than a week would seem to indicate that Haley had an awful lot of control. Control that Crennel now has. Control that was delegated to him by Pioli.

Crennel didn't take any shots at Haley. Heck, the talk about who was starting was taking a shot at himself because he did the whole "I don't want to tip my hand' thing the DAY before. HE did, not Haley. He didn't take any shots at Haley. Of course, I woudln't be surprised if Haley saw it that way. I mean, he held a grudge about TJ for three years. Who knows how Toddler felt about Crennel insulting him by changing the weight lifting sessions.

Pioli would have been well within his position to lay out all the reasons that Haley was axed. Yet, he didn't. If the shoe was on the other foot, I doubt Toddler would have handled it that way.

Don't go rattling senselesscasselfans cage

And, to think, I thought this board lacked objectivity.

Seriously, Cassel is terrible. Terrible. He won't be a starter in this league when his Chiefs days are over.

Now I am wishing I recorded this.

Hoping for a torrent.

So you believe that Haley locked the doors the media room and wouldn't let them go to the bathroom without an escort. Just go on record right now and tell us. Was it Haley's policy or Pioli's?

That would be awesome to hear. Maybe Todd can tear Matt apart for the rest of the season and help us out from the grave.

Pioli obviously has made mistakes. But from what I know of both people, Haley was the bigger problem.

The biggest thing is that Haley was a poor fit for this team. He didn't work well with Pioli. We all have our opinions, but none of us really know what happened.

I will continue to believe that both men are at fault, and that neither handled everything perfectly.

I just think that on the whole, Haley handled things more poorly than Pioli. It will be curious to see if Haley gets a head coaching job again.

And, where is Thigpen starting?

It will be even more curious when they're no closer to a Super Bowl next year...

The biggest problem is the QB, and if Pioli doesn't fix it(the problem HE created) Pioli will be the biggest problem. Both had major issues and only one is still with us. He better get it right this time.

To be fair, he never took any shots at Cassel, everyone else in the room did. He did say the Niners are the Chiefs of last year though.