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And this is cinsidering that defenses were throwing 8 in a box loading up against the run. That's a qbs wet dream. |
One thing Cassel robs this team more with payroll.
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I don't have a problem with Cassel being gone as well. I just think that Orton isn't any better, and in the long run will prove to be worse. But, I have stated that the Chiefs should draft a QB this year. Of course, now that Haley is gone, the Chiefs will probably win out and lose the opportunity to get one of the top three. I fully expect the Chiefs to trade down this year. |
I saw Cassel taking too long to line guys up correctly and throwing a pussyfit when he had to call a timeout.
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I guess I should just change my argument. Because it isn't really who is better, it is that Orton still isn't good enough. But, if you asked me to pick a QB out of those two for the NFL, it has to be Cassel. Why? Orton doesn't put in the work, and football isn't his first priority. See, that is why McDaniels loves Cassel. That is why I would choose Cassel over Orton. |
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He's the same guy he was in Denver. He's a decent QB. Gratz on the win.
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I have been preaching that orton is underrated since he was with the bears :/
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The same guys that were sure that Cassel was better last offseason. |
One game, chill out...
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Not me. I said he was as good as Carson Palmer and WAY cheaper. I'll go ahead and say we no longer need to think QB in the draft.
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Your comment on or ton's work ethic are ridiculous and unfounded. from what I've heard, he has a very good work ethic and his teammates like him. Mcdaniels loved cassel because he knew he could run his system. You have no idea who he would choose today. Remember, he chose cassel over orton in Denver because he had never worked with orton before. Also, the fact that cassel puts in a ton of work and doesn't improve is a huge concern. No, cassel does not make good pre snap adjustments. Too many plays where you see more blitzers than blockers. That's a qb issue. Nobody here wants orton as a long term option. You are the only one who for whatever bizarre reason thinks cassel is any good. Again, the chiefs didn't have problems with play calling or communication last year. And cassel still struggled, despite his stats. Quite simply, he is a one read guy. You send in the play and he throws to his primary target or else check down. That works when you have moss. It does not work when you have even very good receivers like bowe. |
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The chiefs game plan to keep the ball out of cassels hands. Because when they put it squarely in his hands, he struggles. Thats the huge distinction. |
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Orton did just what i thought he would do, show us all how Shitty Cassel and Haley both are.
and it feels nice beating a contender. |
Please don't make me have respect for Muir. That's all I ask.
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Even if Orton throws for 700 yards the next two games, the Chiefs have to draft a first or second round QB. Period. |
That pass to Baldwin to the 3 or so, was sweet. Except for the not holding on part
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I've always thought Orton and Cassel were pretty much the same QB, but today I noticed I didn't get nervous every time Orton dropped back like I do with Cassel. I felt Orton was confidant in his ability to get the ball where he wanted. I know it seems obvious, but Cassel seems to have a, I hope the ball gets there, kind of mind set.
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Give him good protection, he'll play like today and rack up yardages.
But trust me, he's not a guy you want starting long term. |
Orton's skillset is ****ing mind blowingly more effective than Cassel's.
Those stupid WR screens that the DBs would be nailing us on with Cassel's wind up gun are actually effective with Orton's quick draw. Orton reads the field, and actually finds the open man. Casel, ehh not so much. |
today was a delight compaired to the last 2 1/2 seasons .. maybe not the QOTF but still a decent QB doing his job .. plus hats off to the D ......
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This may seem like a lovefest to you, but what it really is, is a celbration of the step up from absolute shit to mediocrity. We now can only hope that Pioli has the sense to flush the shit, and actually find go out a bring us a QB we can win with long term and in the playoffs. |
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That was a breath of fresh air.
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Sorry for dissen ya Orton, you kicked ass today.
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Read my original post - I STILL would prefer to see Stanzi start. I'm just glad that the book on Cassel is finally closed. Hopefully Pioli can admit he made a mistake and move on. |
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Gonna be alot of pissed off people come opening day next year. |
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Is it at least possible that Orton is like Gannon? Gannon got better with age. I thought Orton got a
raw deal after leading the Bears to the playoffs and then they went with Grossman. Orton is a much better QB today than the was then. I don't think the play calling was a lot different but I think the QB went downfield and didn't give up on plays. I also think some of the O line problems were reduced by Orton burning the Packers when they blitzed and threatened them with the deep ball the entire game thus not letting them put 10 in the box and jam receivers. If he continues to play well how do you not sign him? |
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The one play that stood out to me more than any one was when BJ Raji busts through the middle and is in Orton's face. I am thinking for sure this is going to be a sack or INT... he stands there and keeps progressing through receivers then fires the ball for a completion.
My wife looked at me and said "Cassel couldn't have done that, he'd of looked like a toddler running in place about to pee himself" |
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guess we are going to see how he does against the raiders and the broncos.. but still want a franchise QB for the future to start next year. I am not going to change my approach on wanting a 1st rd qb under center. I want a superbowl victory.. Not feel good stories... |
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Again, it's the little things. Cassel gets antsy when the primary read isn't there. orton kept his cool. Cassel is lazy at selling the play fake. Orton did it beautifully. Cassel is inaccurate--he doesn't always get the ball there and almost never leads his receivers. Orton isn't perfect, but significantly better. Neither are probably long-term options. But don't act like Orton's success comes from the magical genius that is Bill Muir. |
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"Cassel works really hard" is hardly a glowing endorsement. The kids at the special olympics work really hard too.
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You know when our franchise has hit rock bottom when you are debating Orton vs Cassel and totally blind to the fact that neither can win you a superbowl.
we should be discussing our first round shiney new frachise of Hope QB... But NO, we are talking about orton vs cassel.... Can we get any lower? |
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Few are saying Orton is the next hope. But I think most of us would be very comfortable with him being a starter for 1-2 years while we develop somebody on the bench. I think people are acting like a young QB learns nothing on the bench. I'll again point to my golf example. You don't learn how to be a good golfer until you play a few rounds on a real course. But if you become really good on the range, then when you step on the course, it's all about tweaking and making small adjustments. |
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**** showing the ropes feel good stories... I dont want orton for 1-2 years. I want a franchise qb playing football... |
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Well you're a fan of our team, so no.. we cannot get any lower. |
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Unless you have an abomination of a QB situation, there is no reason to force rushing getting a young QB on the field. |
I wanted to post this but didn't want to start a thread. Kevin Kietzman is on the air just making stuff up to fit his argument. He's a Cassel backer and in trying to make Orton look like the wrong QB to go with, is saying he has Orton and Cassels career stat in front of him. He said they've started the same number of games,( Wrong! Orton has started 66, Cassel has started 54.) KK went on to say Cassel leads in almost every important category. The key word must be almost, because he's right, except for Orton has almost 3000 more passing yards and 3 more TD passes.
I know this isn't that big a deal, but Kietzman knows people can look this stuff up. Or does he? |
Why do people even bother looking at Orton's Chicago numbers...they aren't relevant at all.
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The poor guy had absolutely nothing to work with in Chicago, plus it's the least pass friendly conditioned stadium in the NFL |
I'm convinced that 95% of Chiefs fans are, at heart, True Fans.
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Did Kyle:
I apologize for criticizing you for sitting out with a tweaked finger. You were right and should have taken more time to heal. Now that you've played, thus showing that even a middle-of-the-road NFL starter is far more polished than Matt "Pioli is a ****ing idiot" Cassel, we're stuck with you. Now we'll go through the same types of arguments with True Fans (he needs O-line help, drops, schedule!!, play-calling) that we had with another lackluster started, Kr..Bo...Gr...Cassel. But at least we got rid of Carl. I think. |
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keep drinking the Koolaid brosef. All Orton will do for the chefs is insure you won't be drafting real QB talent in the 2012 draft. You could have had RG3, but instead you get KNB. :clap: |
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I knew Orton would light it up. He did pretty well in Denver considering they had a crappy running game, and a defense that was absolutely terrible last year, and for the early part of this year.
He also has much better recievers to work with here vs what he had with denver. He was zipping the ball all over the place yesterday. And did anyone notice how he placed the ball to his recievers? Right in the numbers, or right where the reciever could catch it. That one long pass to Baldiwn (which he dropped) was placed perfectly for him to catch it. Seeing Orton light it up never surprised me. I knew he was capable of it. It might be too early to say hes the QB for this team, but if he can perform at a high level like he did last sunday, he will go a long ways in proving that he is our man. Lets not forget that he hasnt really played any meaningul snaps for the past several weeks going into this game. He looked quite impressive considering everything. He has some rust to shake off, but he looked better than Cassel ever has in his 3 years here. |
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Keep signing mediocre QBs and hope for different results. |
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The guy played a great game yesterday. It is what it is.
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The win over GB was nice but essentially meaningless. Orton can be good sometimes but he's never great and he stinks in big games. Yesterday's game was completely meaningless and he did ok. I'll be very suprised if kc beats oakland. |
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almost 300 yards and no tds.
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Yep. Smells like sour grapes ... :) |
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