You'll come around. It's the name on the front of the jersey, not the back, that you love.

Yes, his head is enormous.

OK, LAcdcox.

The first thing you should ask yourself is "Would I like to see the SEVENTEEN fuckING YEAR STRETCH with ZERO playoff wins continue, or do we bring in a proven QB that has the ability to bring the Lombardi trophy back to KC."


All this garbage about whining, throwing teammates under the bus, its all bullshit. We have that now. We've had that previously, or has everyone mentally blocked out Mr. "I cant throw the ball AND catch it too." Elvis Grbac?

Tom Brady is a whiny pretty boy piece of shit as well when things are not going his way, but Ill bet Patriots fans really dont care about that when he's wearing all those SB rings, and is always in contention for another.

Im not a big Manning fan. Why should I be, he plays for the team that has destroyed my team's SB dreams in two of the greatest seasons I ever saw them play?

That being said, if he's no longer with the Colts and he puts on the Red and Gold, I could give a rats ass how much whining he does if he's putting up 3-4 touchdowns a week in the passing attack.

We tried building a team of guys everybody liked, and they couldnt stop a high school team. Its true what they say, "Assholes finish first." Personally, Ive seen enough of this losing BS. I dont care if the guy punches out old ladies in his spare time if he can get us a SB win.


The Chiefs are going to have a great running game, and Manning is one of the best Playaction passers in the game. He knows how to play the position and get rid of the football, and do it in a manner that keeps the offense rolling.

If it can financially be done without hurting the team's future, you are a complete dumbass if you dont attempt to sign talent of this caliber at the most important position in the game.

I won't reply with a crass comeback but did want to try and explain myself a bit further.I'll use the Steelers SB win against Seattle when the NFL actually came out and apologized after the game for the officiating,if I were a Steelers fan that title just wouldn't feel right.

So whether it makes sense or not,I could really give 2 shits,as a Manning hater it just wouldn't feel right but alas I realize we now live in an instantaneous society and dammit WE WANT IT NOW,no matter the cost.

I'll just believe it's not gonna happen and if it does it's not gonna happen.

You might have a point, except for the fact that I'm nearly 40 and WASN'T ALIVE the last time the Chiefs were in the Super Bowl.

The idea that we, as Chiefs fans, are somehow spoiled or entitled and have no patience, is pure, unadulterated HORSE SHIT.

Absolutely agree and anyone who really knows me knows the love I have for my team and how I so want to experience that feeling I felt in 1985 watching the Royals become World Champs.

My frustration really comes as I look at owners like Kraft,Jones,Benson and what they have done and continue to do to try and maintain a level of contention and then look at our ownership and all I can do is :banghead:

LMAO

I 'wanted it now' 20 years ago. And what is the cost? We're not selling our soul here... we're not signing a murderer or a registered sex offender. And I think the term "setting the franchise back x years" kind of goes out the window after several years of not winning a playoff game.


Someone over the holidays was trying to tell me I'm a bandwagon fan for selling tickets for a bunch of games this year and not watching every game. All I could do was laugh at them, which was kind of awkward since I had just met them... but WTF? LMAO

If I wanted to jump on a bandwagon, the Patriots beating the Raiders and Rams to win the SB was perfect... I had my chance. :(

They are not. I had almost the same surgery (3 vertabrae fused - C5, C6 and C7) because the two discs had herniated - both into nerve canals and one double herniated putting pressure on the spinal cord.

Definately causes pain, numbness and weakness in the arm - the C5-C7 specifically affects the right arm according to my doctor.

I had the anterior surgery done in April. 4 months later the pain and numbness came back. In Ocotober I had both the anterior and posterior surgery done. Now I have a plate on the front spine covering the 3 vertebrate, 2 rods on the back of the spine covering all 3 and bone with metal rods embeded in place of the discs.

Only been a couple of months, but no pain or numbness in the arm, but the neck is (and will most likely always be) sore.

As you may recall I was a STH for 13 years well one weekend during one of our frustrating seasons we went to the game and decided to just party in the lot and not even go inside as a way of saying fock you to ownership as frustrated fans,we wouldn't even sell the tickets.Yes,they still got our money but wth it made us feel better,so I say to you,do whatever makes you feel good.

Damn straight! I would love to see the Peyton eyes roll look over at whoever our OC at the time(WTF are you thinking look) and call his own play for a TD!!

This thread could get interesting in a week or two...

DUMB! :facepalm:

seriously. I bet that hate would turn to love after Manning won us a Superbowl. I don't care if Bill Romanoski or Shannon Sharpe (2 of my most hated ever) could suit up at QB and take us to the promised land, I'd be all over their jock afterwards.

You have to make a move. Nearly 20 years and no playoff wins, and inconsistent seasons show that the way things have been done is not going to work, and will not work.

Cassel had his shot, and he blew it harder than Peter North over Jenna Jameson's heartbreaker tattoo.

This year, it looks like there are two options for the Chiefs to improve the most vital part of the football team.

You sink this draft, and part of (if not all) of next year's draft to move up to 2 and take Griffin. Doing that likely costs players as well.

You bring in Griffin. Great. Now, without Bowe to throw to or Albert protecting him, what is he going to get done? Youre left in free agency limbo to try to address the needs to build around this kid. Result: Chiefs suck for probably 2 years and get nothing in the draft to show for it, while the Rams live like kings.

Or you bring in Manning.

Lets cut the bullshit. Obviously, Manning is going to have to pass a physical and demonstrate he has the tools to do what needs to be done before he gets signed.

We sign Manning, and we still have pretty good position in the draft to get him some help. We've got some cash to throw at some free agents that could help out further.


How would bringing in Manning for a few seasons while retaining our drafts set the team back?

The way I see it, if you go all in for RG3 you do more to potentially set the team back than you do to help it. Sacrificing 2 drafts, key players, likely getting into cap hell because of all the scrapping youre gonna have to do in free agency to get this kid some help.

Get #18 in red, ASAP.

Wait what??? i stopped here. Who ever said anything about trading Albert? We're surely not losing him to free agency... Nobody let's starting left tackles go...


And we're not sacrificing two ****ing drafts people. We would still have a 1st rounder this year. It's not disappearing. It's going towards RGIII... We lose a 1st next year, big whoop. 1st rounders bust all the time and it doesn't set a team back 2 years. Whatever other picks we give up, 2nd's, 3rds, doesn't matter, they won't have anywhere near the affect a ****ing franchise QB has.... And just for the record, 2 drafts = 14 picks. We're not giving up 14 picks to trade up.... Stop being dramatic.

Odds are we're not trading up. Does that piss me off? No. I can see why we probably won't. Would i be pissed if we did and it cost us some very high picks? Hell no. We have to try. Would Peyton be a great addition, Hell ya he would. Orton? He's better than Matt...

We've got options.


EDIT: Personally i realize we need a QB now. By the time all you "wait until next year" crowd finally get a QB, he'll be too young to actually do anything worth a shit while our best players just keep getting older and older.

Also, RGIII isn't Cassel. The kid is not going to need HOF talent to look competent.

Trading up from 11 to 2 is going to take 5 years worth of draft picks. We're ****ed either way.

My bad. It is actually 6 years worth of draft picks. I had the chart upside down.

no, it's not.

at most it will effect 3 drafts and i seriously doubt it does that because most teams will not want to wait that long for the picks.

three 1st round picks + a few xtra ... should do it.

this year's 1st
a player who is worth or traded for a 1st(3-way trade or tag/trade)
next year's 1st
extra picks(2nd and 3rd this year? ... 2nd this year and 2nd next year? etc)

now that is NOT 5 years worth of picks ... it's not even 2 full year's worth of picks.

it will cost a lot, but let's not get overly melodramatic about it.

IMHO Healthy Peyton> RGIII> Stanzi >Unhealthy Peyton >Tyler Thigpen>Tyler Palko> Cassel> Tebow.

ABC.

1,2,3

I agree it dose. Also a very childish statement.

Anybody but Cassel.

It isn't my ****ing money we would be spending on him and he surely is better than ****ing Cassel. Would be fun to watch, especially if he is healthy. I would be ok with winning now, since building for the future sure hasn't worked out for the past 40 years.

The Redskins finally got a good lick on him (a high/low)min 2006. Peyton came back to win that game, and we won the Super Bowl that year. He's been playing with the nerve being damaged over the next few years, getting other minimally invasive surgeries to try to fix it. Finally, he had the full fusion surgery. Joe Montana won two Super Bowls after having the same thing.

This article might be of major interest-
http : www dot hogshaven dot com/2012/2/9/2788561/some-clarity-on-peytons-injury

{Sorry, had to encrypt slighty to get article URL in the post.}

The Colts can't wait past 3/8 to see if this pans out, as I have outlined with details in another post. Peyton is nearing 7 months post-op, so it may not be too much longer before he can resume his career... somewhere.

Whoa! Did not know it happened in 2006.

Indeed, and he still played and even made it back to another Super Bowl. He is still the least sacked / hit QB in football, but this one play on one day did it. The full picture sequence here-

http : / / www dot hogshaven dot com/2012/2/9/2788561/some-clarity-on-peytons-injury

[ if a regular could check this and then post proper URL, that would be great. :) ]

I just want everyone to know the full story on him before making their conclusions as his potential future landing spot is determined. There is no doubt in my mind I'd love to have him with the Horseshoe on his helmet again, but the health/contract circumstances make it a 99.9.% no way in hades scenario. Somebody out there is going to get a tremendous QB for a few years. IF, that nerve regeneration completes soon.

I'd rather him come here than anywhere else that;s not Indy. Then Seattle, then AZ, and then Miami.

(which my wife wants, so I can take her across state to Sun Life stadium and watch in person. I told her tickets will fly off the shelf so buy early if it happens...)

He's not in any more danger of becoming a paraplegic then he was in the Super Bowl facing Brees and company a couple years ago. But his arm just might feel better than back then. Anyway, we'll see what your FO/coaching staff has up it's sleeve in the Manning stakes soon enough.

whoa.. completely missed this thread, but..

OP is not a heterosexual.

I feel the same way about Cassel.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/9/27...peytons-injury

here is way too much misinformation on Peyton Manning's injury. First of all, a little history.

According to Dungy and Manning, Peyton received his initial neck injury in a game against the Washington Redskins on Oct. 22, 2006. Dungy recalled that " Manning's neck was wrenched and his helmet ripped off when he took a hit by Andre Carter followed by a hit from Phillip Daniels". The hits were legal so do not read anything into that.

When Manning got up he shook his right arm " as if to get the feeling back into it". Peyton took a time out and told the back up QB to be ready. Peyton went on to throw for 244 yards and three TD's in the second half. According to Irsay and Dungy the neck would get aggravated over the next few years but nothing really abnormal.

But, in September of 2010 it was reported that Peyton had been injured sometime before week one. That is when the disc in his neck began to do nerve damage. Manning struggled with pain throughout the 2010 season. He admitted to not having as much throwing strength as usual. This resulted in his decreased production: 91.2 passer rating, 4700 yards, 33 TD's and 17 Int. (hell of a season for an injured QB).

Peyton's first two surgeries were more noninvasive in an attempt to keep the disc from doing damage to the nerve. The fusion was done on the third attempt and was successful. Two of the countries leading neurosurgeons, along with the Colts neurosurgeon have cleared Peyton to play in the NFL again. This relates completely to the fusion itself. Not the nerve regeneration that is subsequent to the fusion surgery.

Peyton is no more likely to "break his neck and be paralyzed" than anyone else in the league. The fusion does not make his neck "weaker", it just may be a little less mobile. Only time will tell. The discs are fused and healed and no longer do damage to the nerve, which is what has caused the loss in arm strength.

The question now is, when and if the nerve will completely heal. This process can take from a few months to a year. The fact is, a study was done on this very issue in regards to NFL players who have had disc herniation's and nerve damage. According to the Spine Orthopedics,Aug. 2010, 72% of NFL players who underwent surgery for disk herniation and resulting nerve damage returned to play, on average for 2.8 more years. The non-surgery group returned to play for just 1.5 years.

In an interview with Joe Montana, Joe said he underwent fusion surgery in 1986 and was told many of the same things Peyton has by so many around him- just retire. Montana underwent his surgery and went on to win Super Bowls 23 and 24, was MVP in 1989, Super Bowl MVP and led his team to two 14-2 regular seasons. And all of this after disc fusion surgery.

According to Peyton and those around him he is getting strength back in his arm. Both Reggie Wayne and Joseph Addai took some reps from Manning and agreed that he was getting more zip on the ball. It could still take several months to find out if Peyton will be in that 72% club and get back to full strength.

The Colt's do not have the luxury of waiting to find out as they have to make a decision before March 8th and a 28 million dollar bonus they would have to pay Manning. It's not going to happen and Peyton will become a free agent.

The rest of the NFL has more time to see how Peyton is doing. The fact is the odds are in Peyton's favor. He is already getting his strength back and there is a three out of four chance his nerve will heal completely. If so, I believe Peyton has at least three more years of Manning level football left in him, maybe more. He may be 36 but other than this neck injury he was the least sacked QB in the league his entire career. He has never taken the kind of punishment other older QB's have endured.

I would also add that Peyton may be the smartest most cerebral QB in history. I believe he can adjust his game as he gets older and still be just as dangerous. Kinda like Michael Jordan when he could no longer dunk a ball from the free throw line. He just invented the fade shot and won more titles.

If Peyton's nerve completely heals, a team in need of a franchise QB would be nuts not to go for him. Just my two cents.

Just out of curiosity Nzoner, why do you like Manning? I'm pretty indifferent to him and don't want to see him brought in just because I hate the fact it extends on the Chiefs being total losers at developing a QB.

If Cassel starts the year, you just know the football season is going no where regardless of how the regular season goes.

Huh?

Gonna go slowly for you here.

Chiefs have the ELEVENTH pick (11).

The Chiefs would be competing with the Browns and Redskins in a battle to trade up. Draft picks alone are not going to beat out these teams, especially considering if the Chiefs do acquire what they need, they will likely not be picking very highly next season while the Browns and Redskins have a pretty good shot at having high picks again next year.

Youre now looking at what the Rams' needs are. T, WR, CB.

Its likely that Carr is history, so the ammunition the Chiefs have are their draft, their future draft, LT Branden Albert, and WR Dwayne Bowe. Thats of course contingent on the Rams even being able to afford to do a deal that would involve players due to their cap situation.

Anyone thinking that it would take less than that to jump 9 spots over teams with far better picks has their head FIRMLY planted in their anus.

This.

:doh!: Otter do you even know how to read?

I'm guessing he meant "why do you not like Manning".

Other than my personal dislike please read the following article.From purely a football stance THIS is why I don't think Peyton is all that and as Chiefs fans it's what we need most.

His regular season success, though, does not mean that the future Hall of Famer should be absolved from criticism for his team’s repeated failures in January.

He has racked up seven one-and-done postseason exits—the most of any quarterback in NFL history. Overall, he owns a 9-10 record in 11 playoff appearances, whereas Eli is an incredible 9-3 with two Super Bowl MVP awards.

Oh, well then...that really is a good reason to completely turn on the team.

We're not trading Albert. The fact that you think we might shows how ****ing stupid you really are.

Once again we're looking at stats but when a an NFL QB leads the league with 7 one and done play-off exits I see a big red flag and it does't boast KC as Super Bowl champs.

Manning is not Montana,not even close.

And Manning's supporting cast in not Montana's supporting cast, not even close.

In regards to the 49er's or Chiefs?

Either, really.

I'm not a big fan of signing old QBs or anything, but if your argument is "he only won one super bowl", well......that's dumb.

Peyton Manning struggled in the post-season early in his career.
Since then, he's taken his team to the Superbowl TWICE.
I think I can get my head around him playing here (if he's healthy).

We can still draft his successor.
Two-three year solution and a young QB, of our own, waiting in the wings.
I'll take it.

So Willie Davis and J.J. Birden can be mentioned in the same breath as Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?

Please elaborate on your thinking as I'm really trying to see your point.

No,my argument is that overall his postseason record is the worst in NFL history.

And Trent Green never won a playoff game in KC and IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT.

It's would be nice to have a post season record but we have Matt Cassel.

I'm talking the team as a whole. KC's defense was much better than anything the Colts have put together in the last decade. Other than 2 blowouts in '94, the KC defense held teams to low scores.

I bet you can hardly wait for puberty, huh?

FWIW,do you realize Trent Dilfer also had 3 td passes in the Ravens 2000 postseason run to the Super Bowl championship?

I'm not going to get into a discussion that involves Trent ****ing Dilfer. Those tend to get really reeruned really quickly.

Kind of like the "you don't need to draft a QB in the first because of Tom Brady" arguments.

hahahahahaha what

nzoner, you are a hoot and a holler

I'm just giving you the facts,you brought the great defense into the discussion and I simply showed you that in Manning's one Super Bowl run and win his td numbers were the same as Trent ****ing Dilfer.

WTF is the hatred for the Manning family all about, they run over your kitty or something? I could understand if you were a pats fan or something and the brothers kept spanking you but aside from that, seems like a pretty good family.

Like I said in the OP just can't really explain it,however,from an NFL postseason stats perspective I have updated the OP with a very good read.

See you later

My problems with Manning.

- Injury aside, there comes a time when age catches up to players. It catches up quickly. There is a reason why teams that are fairly well managed give up on their "star" QBs and move on.

- The injury. His neck isn't the issue. It's the nerve. Will it regenerate? Even if it does heal, could physical contact inflame the area and cause it to degrade again? I understand he receives the best medical care that money can buy, but I don't think anyone can offer any type of reasonable guaranty regarding his nerve. There is a reason why he hasn't thrown the ball in public the last year or so.

- The system. Is Daboll familiar with Manning's system? Anyone other than arguable Lilja (who everyone wants replaced) and Jim Bo Bob good ole boy? A rusty QB, no players familiar with the system, a new OC, KC incumbents having a 4th OC in 4 years. It just doesn't spell smooth transition.

- The affect. Will it cause Hunt/Pioli not to address QBOTF early in any coming drafts? If Manning can't play, will KC face a similar fate as the Colts with no other QB able to play the system? Don't say, 'hey KC will have the 1st draft pick then' because as a Chiefs fan you know we don't have that luck. KC's D will be good enough to win 7 or so games and keep the team out of the top 5.

- Has bringing in a very aged QB been effective for other teams in recent history, or do the better teams draft and develop? You know the answer.

He has a post season record. It's 0-1. I'll take Peyton and his playoff record please.

People in this country just have a hatred for successful people.

I was wondering if anyone was gonna call me on that heh. The rest I agree with... of course.

People also have a hatred for whiny ass bitches who refuse to play for a team that drafts them and a father and brother that back them up. :deevee:

He beat the Chiefs in the playoffs oncest so I must hate him! It's Peytons fault we didn't punt... it's Peytons fault he actually tried to win like some damn competitor or something! Dammit Peyton! Why can't you stop being a decent respectful guy who does amusing tv commercials!

:cuss:

FYP

Could you fix my "we didn't punt" mistake too? Was supposed to be "we didn't make them punt." I was distracted by the awesomeness that is the mental picture of Peyton in a Chiefs jersey.


:)

In retrospect, the decision to play for the Giants payed off pretty well. It was the Chargers he rejected. Can't blame him. Chiefs fans should like him more because of that.

Or if he brings the Chargers the same results are the Chiefs under even more pressure to produce a winner?

I just hate the idea that guys like Elway and Eli pull that shit and get their way.I mean us regular Joe's pull a stunt like that and more than likely we're shown the door.

We're in an era of sports where the most talented athletes pretty much get their way when it comes to anything. It's stupid, but oh well. Most successful pro athletes are just big kids. They've been stars since they were teenagers. Hard to really "grow up" in those conditions.

On that we are in TOTAL AGREEMENT.

I agree, it made me sick when Eli pulled that crap and it's probably why I've never cared for him. He is a good QB though, I can't take that away from him.

In retro spect, I say the trade worked out for this.. "Go **** yourself San Diego" /Ron Burgandy. Now that part made me like him.

Of course it did, I'm not complaining. Was still a dick move by Eli.

Im not saying they might trade Albert. Impressive comprehension skills you have there, really.

Im saying that is what it will take if they want to draft RG3. The Chiefs will not get up to #2 on draft picks alone. They will have to address the needs of the Rams while also giving up our draft choices. Their needs are T, WR, and CB.

If they want RG3, theyre going to have to make big sacrifices to move up 9 spots, and as I said, what is this guy really going to accomplish even if we get him when we would have to give up so much for him?

Manning coming in, and the Chiefs keeping their picks and players makes more sense, and wont set the team back like everyone says bringing in a retread QB will.

Ill go get my crayons so I can draw it out for you if you still cant understand. You like red, or blue better?

Perhaps it was, but the Chargers at that point looked like they were going to become the next Bungles. The Chargers had gone 8 years without a winning record and had already struck out on Ryan Leaf. Five of those eight years they have five wins or less. I don't hold it against anyone for not wanting to be a part of a crappy organization.