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Christ, nothing like a guy who has accomplished jack in the NFL treating players like he's king shit. Sounds like the Gunther of OCs. An OC should never be "fiery" or have a temper. He should be calm and calculating like Al Saunders. |
how many of these same crying vaginas will be sucking daboll's meat-stick next season?
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If Zorn was calling the plays VS the packers i think he'd have been the better hire
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Still not sure if thread is serious.
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Our families' collective decision to not renew our season tickets looks better by the minute........
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Are you actually defending this shitty hire? |
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this coaching staff is not good at all. its actually a lot worse than a few college football teams. Crennel is the real deal and so is the linebackers coach, but that's about it.
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Rule of thumb: if Tony Sparano hires someone, don't hire that someone.
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Hey stupid ****s
Your uneducated opinion isn't the only way to do shit. You guys are the whiniest ****ing fans in the nfl. Pound your chests, dipshits. |
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Matt Cassel IS Piolis "candy wrapper" and this hire seems to indicate he isnt planning on picking it up. Quote:
2011 Dolphins yardage over last 8 games ......2503 Here is the "benefit" Reggie Bush and Matt Moore played fairly well. I wonder what Dwayne Bowe thinks of this hire. |
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Maybe they only hired him to coach the OL and Adam was just guessing about the OC position.
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I'm curious where does your "fact" that he's dogshit in the coaching circles comes from. Please provide proof . |
He is hired as the OC
The Chiefs have hired former Dolphins assistant Brian Daboll as their offensive coordinator, a league source told ESPN's Adam Schefter. Daboll, a former assistant with new Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel with the Patriots, was one of three reported finalists for the job along with quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn and former Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator Al Saunders. Hamstrung by injuries, Kansas City had one of the least productive offenses in the NFL. The Chiefs were previously interested in former Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman before he chose to join new head coach Joe Philbin's staff in Miami, and former Rams offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who has instead returned to Bill Belichick's staff in New England. The Chiefs hired Tom McMahon to coach special teams and cut ties on Monday with three assistants from former head coach Todd Haley's staff. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report. |
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I'm also suggesting you don't have the slightest idea what kind of management style an offensive coordinator should utilize. I'm betting the guy doesn't scream at every player, just the ones he thinks need a kick in the shorts. Nobody here has a crystal ball. He might thrive in KC. He might flop. We idiot fans don't really have any idea what he's going to do. |
This hire dubs the Chiefs as the assholes of the NFL now, Christ no competent coaching candidate doesn't want to work under the Pioli regime.
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He was also quarterbacks coach for the New York jets for two years. One year they were dogshit. The next year he got Brett Favre to perform at a below average level. Dog Shit. |
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Maimi beat the Chiefs, right? So this is how we get back at them.
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Next stupid ****. You stated he was regarded as dog shit. Where are the quotes from those statements. You weren't speaking in terms of your opinion on stats you were speaking on the opinion of the coaching circle in the NFL. Point proven you don't know shit. Still. Hide in mommy's basement and edit some stolen video using window movie maker and maybe someone will like you. |
J Diddy's current BAC would kill most dogs.
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I apologize for what I'm doing to your bitches. |
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I'll say something positive:
The Dolphins had one of the worst RTs in the NFL, and we do too, so Daboll will be comfortable here. |
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Didn't Miami's 32nd ranked offense beat our 11th ranked defense this year with their own gawd awful QB? I'm just saying...
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No one with any actual ability to reason considers one game against the Chiefs as an indicator for future success. |
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If Daboll could read the stuff being written about him by a 29 year old dufus living with his mother and father who hadn't even kissed a girl until about 11 months ago, he would fall out of his chair. I'm not hardly running out to buy a Daboll jersey but the guy is on his way up in the NFL, not on his way down. Sometimes you have to start off with crappy teams to work your way onto a contender.
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Cleveland was a mess. Miami was a mess. There was far too much wrong with the players on the field for anyone to form a decisive conclusion about the man's abilities as a coordinator.
All of you people freaking out about this are the same exact reeruns who say you NEED a franchise QB. Derp dee derp, but OC's who are shackled with terrible QB's are bad, and ones who take jobs with great QB's are smart? Am I the ONLY person who sees the rather stupid circular logic that kind of assessment is based around? Now here's why I don't like it: Pioli did the safe thing AGAIN. He hired what he was familiar with. Here's another thing that pisses me off: I think this has a lot to do with Matt Cassel. We bring in another Earhardt-Perkins guy because it's the only offense Cassel knows and he apparently struggled with the minor changes in philosophy between NE, Haley, and Weis (all of whom run the same system!). Not only that, but because the system changes so little it doesn't create a learning curve that would expose Cassel's lack of actual ability in a competition with another QB. The positive in this is that it would require the least transition because it's the same system. The problem is that his background won't excite anyone. Still though, fans over-rate coordinators. Talent is more important. Get a better QB. As long as he understands 'run on 3rd and short" and 'pass on 3rd and long", it's up to the talent to execute. I'm sick of us blaming coordinators instead of fixing the talent issues. We did it with the defense during the DV years. We need a better QB, and until we get one we'll be cycling through OC's. I don't like the hire, but it's not so much an indictment on Daboll's abilities, which I think are hard to discern. I don't like it because it's exactly who I expected us to hire. Safe and predictable. Blah. |
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Maybe even the "safe" choice was like "**** you, I'm not tying my career to THAT guy." |
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He's basically a groupie for underachieving schmucks from the Parcells/Patriots tree. I'm sure he'll find another job as a quarterbacks coach before he directs any offense worth a shit. |
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The team has preached competition for Cassel all along, and it's always been hollow. I define people by actions, not words. Pioli and the coaches can talk competition all they want, but from what I've seen there's really been no effort made to bring in anyone who could compete with Cassel. They've said this before, but their actions appear to show them quite committed to Cassel. |
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this keeps getting worse the more I dig into it. Chad Pennington 2006 10-6 w/l record Chad Penningtons 2007 (his only one with Daboll) 1-7 w/l record Chad Pennington 2008 (after he left Daboll and NY and went to the 1-15 Dolphins) 11-5 W/L record In those 3 years: Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITHOUT Daboll: 36:23 Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITH Daboll 10:9 ... Brett Favre had one of his worst passing years ever with Daboll. 2007 (the year BEFORE Daboll touched him) 13-3 win loss record 95.7 QB rating 260 yards per game 7.8 YPA 4155 yards 5.2 TD% 28:15 TD:INT Pretty good year, fell barely short of the Superbowl. 2007 (His ONLY year with Daboll) 9-7 W/L record 81 QB rating (-14.7 points) 217 yards per game (-43 yards per game) 6.7 YPA (-1.1 YPA) 3472 yards (-683 yards) 4.2 touchdown % (-1%) 22:22 TD:INT ratio (-6/+7) Thats ****ing garbage! Now, lets look how he did the very next year on his next team... 2009 12-4 win loss record (just shy of the superbowl, again) 107.2 QB rating (+26.2) 262.6 yards per game (+45 YPG) 7.9 YPA (+1.3 YPA) 4202 yards passing (+730 yards) 6.2 TD% (+2%) 33:7 TD:INT ratio (+11/-15) 61:22 TD:INT ratio in the two years surrounding his time with Daboll. 22:22 with him. 25-7 WITHOUT Daboll 9-7 WITH HIM Averaged just about 100 QB rating without him, 81 with him. Averaged about 45 yards PER GAME LESS with Daboll. I dont know how much further I want to dig....its looking awfully bleak so far. **** this hire. If Zorn walks because we hired this guy.... :facepalm: |
Daboll, who turns 37 in a couple of months, was on staff for two years in New England after the Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in 2005. Though this isn't a sexy hire for Kansas City, Cassel has enjoyed his best two NFL seasons (2008, 2010) in systems just like Daboll's. While Romeo Crennel has vowed to create competition, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is still a huge Cassel supporter. Feb 4 - 12:56 AM
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1354/chiefs-offense |
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If we'd hired Saunders or anyone else with a new system, that's probably two more years of Cassel minimum. Definitely with Saunders because all we'd hear about was how Trent, a guy who already knew the offense, sucked his first year here. They wouldn't dump Cassel after a bad year in a new offense. But if the offense is the same and Cassel shits the bed, what excuse is Pioli going to have to defend him? He'd have no choice but to make a move, unless he's just gonna go down with the ship. |
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Hire daboll...
???... Profits... Super bowl |
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They hired him sole b/c of what "he was able to do with Moore". Thinking he can get the most out of Cassel.
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I say 'would' because there's obviously a serious problem with us doing it. |
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He also wanted to trade for Kyle Orton in Miami prior to last year, to replace the guys he already had on roster like Chad Henne and Moore.
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You can tell that he's full of shit just by looking at his picture
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Those numbers aren't really all that goofy when you consider all the factors. Favre was throwing to Coles and Cotchery with the Jets (and Pennington was as well). Pennington's Jets played the NFC East in 2007 which included 13-3, 10-6, 9-7, and 8-8 as well as the undefeated Patriots. I don't think you have enough data on the table to put all that crap on Daboll. |
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This is completely embarrassing... Just talking win loss and TD:INT ratios, here are Chad Pennington and Brett Favres combined totals for with and without Daboll: 46-18 win loss record WITHOUT DABOLL the 2 surrounding years combined for both players 10-14 WITH DABOLL On paper, this is a horrendous hire. ... Now lets talk combined TD:INT ratio....that is if you can stomach reading this info...I admit it made me a little ill researching it... 97:45 TD:INT WITHOUT DABOLL 32:31 WITH DABOLL |
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I hope that last statement made sense, its late and it made sense to me. Those boil down numbers of the surrounding production is way past scary. Its the closest brand of "stat proof" we have to go off at the time being. Lets just HOPE he has had an epiphany since then, I guess. |
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The positives for me are that Romeo and Pioli are staking very high dollar salaries on this guy. He's not sexy but he's not some retread has-been either. |
He'll be HC when Crennel is done.
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The positive to this hire versus Saunders or Zorn is that Cassel doesn't get another "excuse year" where he gets a free pass due to another scheme change.
Its either shit, or finally get the **** off the pot. Maybe it also gives Orton something too,because Daboll wanted him in Miami. Other than that, Im finding a hard time seeing the bright side to this hire and I started digging hoping that I would find something to be positive about. That, obviously, didn't happen. |
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Especially with a guy that hasnt been able to keep a job long enough to form a decent sample size. This is his third OC job in the last 4 years. Is that right? crazy. All I did was just compile some performance data from the most relevant things to judge from at the position. At this point, all Im saying with all of this is that it seems he didnt help to improve the play of the players under his coaching...in fact the opposite is closer to the actual truth. The guy leaves NE and right after he does so, they make moves for Welker and Moss and go on to one of the best offenses the league has ever seen. I really want to believe in this hire, Im a glass half full type of guy by nature and his job and the fruits of his work are pivitol in this teams chances at success over the next couple years...but Im finding it hard to find positives about this hire. |
I can almost assure you that there are 15 better coordinators in college fb
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To me this is much worse than taking another DE with our first rd pick
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This is a hire that screams "no worthy candidate from a playoff team wanted the job, so we called in a member of the tree. Go Cassel."
Phil, what do you see in this hire that says "we can win playoff games with this guy as our OC"? |
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