Well he wasn't very good this year. But I was told he was retiring.

The only thing that would make this offseason huge would be the acquisition of a legit QB. It doesn't matter how good everyone else is, without that one piece- you have nothing.

not you too

:facepalm:

I forgot, Laz is a Cassel guy.

People that still think you can steal a SB without an elite QB might want to check out the list of QBs in the last 6 or so SBs.

What good teams are you talking about?

The good teams build almost exclusively through the draft.

Indy
Pittsburgh
Giants
Baltimore

I can't think of a single GOOD team that uses FA as a major resource of player aquisition.

Wayyyy more times than not, FA signings end up as straight up fools gold.

So, you think we won spend money this offseason and will just forfeit cash?

The cap floor isn't in place, but teams do have to spend the cash.

Also, if we don't make strides at getting close to the cap floor amount this year, we are gonna be forced to just forfeit cash next year or be forced to sign some unrealistic deals in a market with less talent available than this year which should have one of the better FA classes in quite some time due to lacking action last year...similar to the reasoning for the strong draft class of 2010.

So first because i'm open to using Bowe to help improve the team, i'm not a fan of Bowe.

Now because i don't believe that the rest of the team 'doesn't matter' i'm a Cassel guy.


You have the intellectual range of a tree frog.

I didn't say you weren't a bowe fan, I asked you if you weren't.


And you really think we can win with Cassel? I don't think there will be another SB won without said team having a franchise quarterback.

that's just it, you assumed i didn't like him because i was opened to the idea of trading him if it would improve the team

I didn't say anything about Cassel, another one of your assumptions.

I never assumed anything. I asked you a question.


If we have to trade Bowe to get better, fine. I don't like the idea of trading the best wr the Chiefs have had in forever, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

This thread is pretty much pointless for those thinking we have to spend it.

The minimum salary floor we must hit doesn't go into effect until next season (2013-14) correct?

No but if we don't spend it this year, we are going to have to next year on guys not near as good as Bowe and Carr, or even Soliai and Grubbs.

really?
I don't see a question mark ... looks like a statement.

I also agree with you Laz that a franchise qb doesn't equal SB.


I want the Chiefs to build a complete team. I think letting Carr and Bowe walk just prolong the time it will take to do that.

My statement about that was a sarcastic remark to you saying something to whoever made the previous post.


I never assumed you didn't like Bowe, I asked you if you didn't.

we don't have to spend a single cent this year.

we haven't seemed compelled to spend since Clark Hunt took over.

Under Lamar and Carl at least we wasted a bunch of money. Clark/Pioli isn't even trying hard enough to waste it. :D


once again ... Lamar must of approves of Carl's money making ways or he wouldn't of kept his job for 20 years. Clark must approve of Pioli or it would change.

This is the post I was being sarcastic about. Assuming I guess that you are a Cassel guy.

My apologies.

You guys will definitely resign Bowe and Carr. If pee-oh-lee lets those two walk while your team is $60+million under the cap, then he should be run out of town.

I forgot that O.city was a Cassel guy.


http://files.sharenator.com/1617295_...150637-580.jpg

You're right.

We can just tag Bowe and let Carr walk and sign nobody.

Then, next year we can be 60 million under the cap again and at least 45 million short of the mandatory cap floor.

We'll just sign 45 million dollars worth of players then...in what shouldn't be anywhere near as good of a free agent class.

Does that seem realistic to ANYONE?

We are gonna spend some money THIS YEAR.

I'm not, Cassel had his chance and needs to go.

but the best QB doesn't win the game, the best team does.

I want the best QB in the history of the league but that doesn't mean we just stop developing the team as well.

No shit. I agree we will spend SOME money this year...

...but I feel as if this thread is about, "we have all this cash to spend.." when that isn't the case.

Pioli will sign either Bowe or Carr, and tag the other. Then he....eh...they [+Clark] will go back to being cheap in bundle of sticksency.

I'm not a Pioli basher, i try to be realistic but his reluctance to spend money in free agency scares the shit out of me.

imo you need BOTH the draft and FA to get good and stay good. After we get a good team then Pioli can sit back and draft his ass off but until then we need to try every avenue. imo.

Agree.


Again, my apologies.

FA?

Word of the day?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-0D-gV8m...00/pee+wee.bmp

I think we have gotten close enough with the draft that it's time to use that money, lock our guys up, and fill some holes with really good free agents.

I would rather overspend for 2 great free agents, than bring in 10 average guys.

I think you're getting a little tunnel vision because of the QB issues. Good teams are generally finished building, or close to it, before they start launching those massive contracts. The Chiefs started that process last year with Breaston.

The only area where they've failed is quarterback. They've done everything else the way they should have, from a philosophical standpoint. They have built through the draft. Where their philosophy differs from yours and mine is that they apparently don't see QB as a high draft priority, and prefer the veteran route. Which works when you get Drew Brees. Unfortunately they got Matt Cassel.

And unfortunately drafting a QB now isn't going to fix anything. A QB should have been drafted between 2005 and 2008, and should be entering his prime now. Don't of course mistake that as me saying "don't draft a QB," I'm merely pointing out that that's the real problem at the heart of things: they need a *good* quarterback with Cassel's years and experience. Or even a slightly younger one just entering his prime, like say a non-sucky doppleganger of Mark Sanchez drafted much later in the round.

My guess is they're going to continue with vets because they don't want to wait for development. They likely think they're finished building (probably thought that last year), and drafting and developing a QB is a process that would feasibly set them back several years. That's in their minds, not mine.

I'd be tickled pink if they stayed put or dropped back and got a second tier QB in the latter half of the round, or even early in the 2nd. While that still wouldn't be a top-5 franchise pick, it would still be a night and day improvement over gambling on guys in the 3rd-7th and hoping they get lucky. I've seen enough Stanzi's and Smoker's and Croyle's. And Cassel's.

I think it's a fair question to ask whether that apparent reluctance is Pioli or whether that's Hunt's direction.

Although they have I think spent a bit more than people realize. They just have a tendency to sign internally rather than sign outside free agents. And as I seem to say every year about this time, I think that's at least in part because free agency is not now what it was in the 90s or even the early part of the last decade. Teams are a bit less likely to let players go now. Generally (not always of course) a player on the market means there's some kind of issue, be it health or age or attitude.

Great takes keg.


I agree with the free agent thing, but this offseason is a great free agent period.

You can look at someone like Soliai. He is out in Miami because he is a NT and likely won't fit the 43. He's young and fits this defense.

Same thing with Nicks and Grubbs. Both are young and their team likely just can't afford to have that much money locked up in the OL. We can at this point.

Anyone know where Bowser came up with the quote he had on page 1? "Its not about cap space available, but about cash available"

Keg is spot on like usual.

Orton
Carr
Bowe
Soliai
"starting quality interior linemen"
"starting quality offensive tackle"

Do that and have a solid draft and it will be an interesting year in 2012.

I would absolutely take this.

I've voiced my opinion of Ben grubbs but he might be too expensive.

Also my opinion of Richardson and Massie in round 1 and 2.

Do those things and 2012 could be very very interesting.

I'd take it

At this point Orton might be our best realistic move.

I really want to keep Carr.

Bowe can stay or go as long as helps the team with a trade or something when he leaves. btw i don't hate Bowe i just wonder how much money he wants and he might be our most valuable piece to do something dramatic to improve the team.

I agree Laz.


If Bowe is just wanting Holmes money, pay him that.


An offense of

Charles, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, McClusster, Richardson, and another TE led by Orton could really do some damage.

Don't know where else to say this, but, I was watching Eric Berry and Jamaal Charles highlights, and if they can return to pre injury productivity (maybe harder for Charles) it's like getting two of the leagues best players instantly added to your team. I'm quite excited about their return.

They won 7 games scoring 13 points a game. Charles has proven to be worth an additional 7 points a game when he's in the lineup. Damn, it hurt losing him.

The D was one of the best in the league the last half of the year despite shit safety play. Imagine what they can do getting that kind of dynamic player back? All thier key players are still ascending and in thier prime years. There are things to be excited about next year...

Hell getting the three ACLs back is gonna be like having an Aplus draft in that alone.

It's possible that in this offseason we could add two all pro RB's, an all pro SS, and a solid TE that are all under 26.

Yeah, it is pipedream bullshit, but this really is the year to go all in and go after a guy like Griffin. This team is built to win for years to come. They pwn the league with a young, high level QB.

The thought of staying put and selecting a damn guard or ILB makes me want to break things.

That would be the best day ever as a Chiefs fan if we traded the whole draft to move up to take RG3 and then spent that 63 million to fill everything else in free agency.

It's too bad it has no chance of happening.

I bet it's like the economy's numbers
It can be adjusted to say whatever you want

Trading the whole draft is too much of a gamble. You can afford a top 5 pick not panning out. It would hurt, maybe a lot, but wouldn't kill the team. You can't afford an entire draft not panning out.

While I might do that for Luck, I'm not THAT sold on RG3. He may end up great, but he strikes me as one of those great college QBs that could fizzle in the NFL.

There was some thing somewhere saying some GMs have Foles rated above the III

I think Griffin in the right situation could end up the best of the bunch. He made huge strides year-to-year at Baylor. People talk about him like he's an athlete that plays quarterback, and maybe he was 4 years ago, but he's grown into a quarterback who just happens to be an athlete.

And no I still wouldn't trade an entire draft for him.

Ummm what skill does Luck possess that RG3 doesn't that makes you think that?

I'm not saying I disagree or agree, I'd just like to hear your reasons.

I think a reasonably convincing argument could be made that RG3 passed Luck as a prospect during the year.

Link or it didn't happen. And if it's true those "GMs" are ****tards.

I get what you're getting at.

Trade Bowe, along with picks to the Rams for the #2 pick, right?

The problem the Rams have is that they are already up against the cap'
They are probably going to have to make cuts in order to sign their draft picks.

They can not afford to give Bowe the contract that he wants.

The only way the Chiefs can make that trade is to sign Bowe long term, then make that trade, meaning they have to absorb the bonus cap hit.

They won't do that.

so are we gonna use most of this 64 million to get Manning?

Yep. $100 million in your CB'S? No problem if you front load those deals. If they're not resigned, it's time to go back to "Clark Hunt doesn't give a shit about football".

old reliable manning-abso-effing-lutely!

unsure of the noodle armed wobbly launcher manning-big gamble (duh).

now, if he is damaged goods, he's still got the brain to win a few games. i don't know if i'd take the risk.
plus we still have a couple holes to fill/upgrade.

well Pioli could sign Orton, fill the holes and still have lots of money saved.

prolly not too much saved after he resigns Bowe and Carr.

I've seen the 30% rule cited as a reason that the Chiefs can't negotiate with Carr at this point.

I don't fully understand this rule.

Can someone explain this to me?

yeah. i think orton is serviceable. a helluva lot more than cassle. i still think that orton was just picked up for the potential draft pick.
i agree with your statement. that'd make the most sense. but we are talking about the chiefs here my friend!

far as i've understood, it's a calendar issue. something with the new collective bargaining i believe. stupid.

but i'm sure there's negotiations going onbehind closed doors. gotta be. right?

I don't keep up with the Redskins much, but I find it a little hard to believe they are high on this list with all of the deals they have thrown out there over the past several years.

They haven't really been spending money since the Haynesworth deal, and all of those bad contracts are off the books now for them.

Apparently. Guess I haven't paid that much attention the past few years to them. Figured since the owner was pretty free to toss his cash around, that he was probably still doing that.

I had never heard of the 30% rule until Parker mentioned it a few days ago.

After researching, as I understand it, a team can not extend a player's contract with more than a 30% increase.

So, in order for the Chiefs to pay Carr what he's worth, they have to let his contract expire.

Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

that's ^^^ the way i understand it.

Ok, we have to spend some money. Here is my proposal
Sign or tag Bowe
Sign or tag Carr
Sign Orton or trade up in the draft if possible for RG3. Even though it doesn't effect the cap we can still spend some cash to move up. Maybe 20 mil will do it.
Sign the best RT and a LG that money can buy and fits our system
Sign a NT that can clog up the middle
Sign a passrusher to go with Hali
Sign someone to play backup at safety
CUT MATT ****ING CASSEL

Are you suggesting paying 20 mil to the Rams, along with other considerations, to move up to their spot?

Could that actually work?

I said this like a month ago but i might be wrong the 30% rule only applies to a player after his rookie deal is up and for carr that was last year.So the chiefs can sign him whenever they want to now.



Carr was drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs in the fifth round (140th overall) of the 2008 ... The Chiefs agreed to a three-year contract with Carr on June 11, 2008..Once carr signed that 1y 2m deal last offseason the 30% rule went bye-bye.

that's the way i read into it also. but after reading ^^^ i'm even more confused.

This, plus...

Who in their right mind would want an expensive Bowe when you can get Blackmon, a player who will probably be much better than Bowe, for significantly cheaper?

I don't understand why people think the Chiefs have any kind of ammo to get the Rams' pick. If the Browns want RGIII, and they probably will, they have a pick that allows the Rams to still take a surefire, elite player who will cost pennies, and if I'm looking at future compensation? I'd MUCH rather get the Browns' first round picks than the Chiefs'.

I really can't imagine many trades we can make that the Rams would want to make with the Chiefs if the Browns make a serious offer.

There is gonna be some solid safeties in free agency as well. Atleast some we could sign for depth, if we don't want to draft one.

Michael Griffin if he would come cheap but I doubt that. Maybe Huff from Oakland.

We are set up to do some damage this offseason, we just need to make the right moves.

Anatomy of the NFL 30-Percent Rule
By Dominic Perilli

Often times with young, stud players such as Chris Johnson, Darrelle Revis, DeSean Jackson, and Patrick Willis, we hear a lot about what is called the 30% rule. The 30% rule basically states that a player’s new deal cannot be an increase of the annual salary of the rookie deal by more than 30 percent.

When calculating the 30% amount of a contract, you must add everything but the signing bonus and other escalators (base salary + Option Bonus + Roster Bonus).

Here is a quick example:

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As you can see, 30% of the total salary in 2010 is $195,000. Therefore, in the new deal the total salary each year can only increase or decrease by $195,000, and nothing more. Here is how the rule will be applied after signing a new deal:

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Some of you may be asking why we sometimes see players like Patrick Willis getting these mega deals while still on his rookie contract. Well, that is what signing bonuses and escalators are for. Teams often give a player like Willis a huge signing bonus and a lot of easily achievable escalators.

Let’s face it – The rules in the NFL CBA are mostly on the side of the individual teams and not the players. This is mostly evident in the fact that a club can end a player’s contract if he doesn’t perform well enough. The player cannot just terminate his contract if he’s not happy, so that’s why we hear a lot about holdouts. When I was younger boy entering my teens, I would often stage holdouts at my house. I knew I had no say in my household and the rules heavily favored my parents. In order to combat that, I would refuse to go out when my parents wanted to. That’s kind of a random example, but hopefully makes the situation more clear.

I think we absolutely can. And I think we absolutely will. There's a few things the Chiefs seem to be doing post-Haley firing that lead me to believe a lot of things are about to change.

and i don't understand why you can't comprehend it

Bowe = proven
Blackmon = not proven

Bowe = ready to go
Blackmon = WR's typical take a few years to 'get it'

Bowe = little risk
Blackmon = draft picks are always risky, especially at WR

Rams need someone NOW for Bradford

now having said that, the group of FA wide receivers is pretty deep so the Rams will probably sign one of them instead of trading for Bowe.

But clearly Bowe provides several things that Blackmon probably doesn't in his 1st year.

Bowe also costs alot of money, Blackmon doesn't.

They can basically get Blackmon for 10 dollars instead of 100 for Bowe.'

The Rams also aren't building for next year. They don't need a wr for Bradford next year, they need the guy for hte next 7 or 8.

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

if they want Bradford to survive long enough to be a QBoTF they need playmakers now ... not in a few years.

Whether it's Bowe or somebody else, the Rams should get a proven veteran immediately.

A veteran WR and a LT should be the Rams top priorities now

Absolute hogwash. He's on a similar if not better track than Andre Johnson through 5 years in the league with shit QB play to boot. He absolutely can be an elite reciever in this league.

BINGO !!!

well ... i imagine if your job was on the line it wouldn't be as easy to 'not win' as it is from your recliner.

Hey, if the Rams agreed that Blackmon is the next Calvin Johnson then they will take him no matter what.

The Rams have a very good veteran in Brandon Lloyd already. Blackmon would do fine as a #2 WR--even if it takes him time to develop, it's hard to believe it would take him long to be a significant upgrade at #2.

If their top priority is LT, that makes the argument for Bowe even worse. Because you can draft a stud LT like Kalil and use free agency to bring in a receiver. Unlike WR, for a team that has no money, that's going to be a very difficult position for the Rams to get past #4.

Blackmon isn't even close to megatron elite. I don't know where you are getting this shit.

You are on a roll brother!!!

There is a reason the Rams fired their GM.

well ... you have it all figured out then.

you should talk to the Rams about a job.