No argument there. But let's not forget they were missing their best RB and TE and the play calling was suspect at best.

I am not saying Orton is great or above average or maybe even average but he is better than Cassel by a country mile. I would rather have neither of them unless in a backup role but because the Chiefs are ****ing stupid it looks like they are the only option at this point.

Hmm...didn't know Orton was a Chiefs fan. Sounds like he should post on this board.

I believe htis' position is that he would rather just go with Cassel this year ... suck ... get everyone cut/fired ... get a high draft pick ... move forward.

Instead of getting moderate improvement from Orton and keep inching forward.

I'm a bit worried that Orton, if he indeed would be an upgrade, would do nothing but perpetuate the mediocrity.

Slight improvement...calls for Orton to get "more help" because he's "earned another year." Same shit we've always been dealing with.

Yeah, Orton would probably be better for this team in the immediate future, but I don't think there's any chance in hell that we can win a SB with him. None. So it's kind of one those things where it's easy to say, "What's the point?"

So, yeah. I guess I would rather have Orton than Cassel, but...

Most of the players that contributed to said play calling are still here.

No, not at all.

1. I don't think Cassel is going to suck bad enough to get everyone fired.

2. I DO think Cassel will be mediocre enough that they'll finally move on from him, given what they've said so far this offseason.

3. I don't believe Orton provides moderate improvement. I don't believe signing Orton is inching forward. I believe Orton is "more of the same".

4. The reasons for canning Cassel after 2011/2012 simply won't exist for Orton. If Orton becomes the starter, the "excuse" counter gets reset to zero. He'll be here for at least 2 or 3 years.

Kind of what I'm saying...

lol, anyone listening to Keitzman?

He's still in on Manning!

No Orton is the guy that will play well and then **** you when the game is on the line. Ask any Broncos fans why Tim ****ing Tebow beat him out and why he was cut midseason. He sucks in the clutch. Throws a pick 6 at the wrong time.

It's so sad we are so beaten down as chiefs fans that we see Orton as anything more than a guy. He's not look at all the threads from when Orton was sent to the donks and how hard we laughed at them. Now the rest of the league is laughing at us for wanting to sign him.

Actually he's talking about some guy getting stabbed in the femoral artery with a putter...

And he just called the guy from Sporting KC Rob "Hymen".

ROFL

:clap:

Well if that is the case I am all for it.

We couldn't be that lucky.

i'd like to thank Candy Wrapper Pioli for making us choose between Cassel and Orton...

4 years of Scott

Heh this is what the highest paid GM gets us. Way to go Clark!

Hopefully someone turns over a rock and it crushes him.

Whats his schtick now?

Yep. We aren't.

Pioli is honestly here for a long, long time.

Clark is going to purge everyone but him.

We had our 3 years of top 10 picks and we ****ed them up.

Now we're back in our 7-9/9-7 cycle.

It will be another 10 years before anything changes.

Plus they were moving the ball fine and scored a TD before Bowed went down.

Lack of success not surprising with no running game, no #1 receiver, no pass-catching TE, being protected by BR.

Sounds like all the excuses made for Cassel.

Can't wait for 3 more years of 8-8 with Orton.

There are no better options. Realistically. Cassel is NOT an option.

Im all for handing it over to Stanzi, but that is not happening.

Campbell?

Henne?

Someone just called Nick Wright and said the Chiefs are still rebuilding ROFL

it was Chiefsplanet...

Orton to visit Dallas

Yep. Saw it coming as it was happening. Idiots LMAO

If Orton is an option, so is Cassel.

Neither of them is anything to write home about.

So Mike Freeman & Mike Florio work for the Chiefs now? Did not know that.