Bowe wasn't an option to trade last night because he hasn't signed his franchise tender yet. You guys need to relax

Clay, dude.

Peterson built a roster of veterans by trading picks away Al Davis style.

We all saw that house of cards collapse.

What Pioli's built is, by far, the most balanced Chiefs team since Joe Montana was wearing #19.

It's called a sign and trade.

810 isn't in the habit of assclowning rumors.

lol

:popcorn:

Pioli hasn't built shit. He's added a few decent pieces to Herm's leftovers and profited from a weak schedule in 2010.

We're not close to being a contender.

At least Carl's teams were considered to be at the top of the league in 1993, 1995, 1997 and 2003.

We are nowhere close to that because we are being led by idiots at GM, HC, QB and the roster lacks depth.

ONE injury decimated our offense last year and now this idiot is trying to trade the best thing that has happened to the Chiefs (arguably) in the last 5 years).

Scorched earth on these mother****ers. Don't support them, don't trust them, nail them to the wall for each mistake.

Bowe didn't sign the tender.... Bowe has not signed a long term deal with KC.... KC hasn't allowed Bowe the opportunity to speak with other clubs to work out a contract, thus giving the Chiefs the right to trade him.

You're doing nothing more than what the KC media has and take a BS story and run with it as if it was fact.

Drama queen.

Would anyone oppose trading bowe away today for a 2013 firs rounder?

If we want a qb, we have to start stockpiling picks to trade up or perhaps luck into trading with a team that underachieves and ends up with a top 10 pick.

Something to think about. If that's the end game, I'm all for it.

Jesus ****ing christ. You don't trade away playmakers.

We are a qb away from being a legit contender. Shame on pioli for ****ing the qb decision up. But if he so much as brings... Even Trent green level talent, this team is every bit as good if not better than a lot of carls teams.

He's built a good, solid team. It's only his arrogance in the coaching, qb, and depth decisions that are ruining his legacy. Inaccurate to say he hasn't done shit.

I don't want to trade Bowe. At all. But if he's traded for a '13 first and they use that pick to move into position to draft a quarterback in the top 5, then I would love the move a year from now. But I don't think they're going to trade Bowe, and I'm positive they'll never draft a QB high.

21 wins in 3 years is shit.

Hiring a loose cannon idiot as a HC and then following it up with a foot-shuffling porter geriatric is shit.

Locking the ****ing doors so the media can't take a piss and bitching about stupid shit like candy wrappers is shit.

Pioli's head is so far up his own ass all he knows is shit, and Arrowhead is covered in his feces now.

Flush, please.

Rep worthy. This team has far more talent all around than any team that Pederson built. Only problem is we cannot get the QB situation solved.

I don't know how the rules have changed since the new agreement and how the rights to a player apply under the different versions of the franchise tag. What I do know is that you do not, 100% of the time, need a player to be under contract to trade him.

Eli and Rivers were not under contracts and were traded because the teams owned the rights to those players. Does the version of the franchise tag we placed on Bowe do that for us?

I don't know...

Agree on all points.

Just never agree when people say this team is built completely on peterson's pieces. He has quietly managed to turn this team from a team missing a ton of pieces to a team that is literally a qb away from being top notch. If he ever fixes that, and I'm skeptical he will, that one move alone turns him from an idiot to a genius.

20 seasons and not a single AFCC.

While Pioli has certainly failed with Cassel, its not near the failure that is Carl Peterson.

cant believe anything that the Local KC media leaks out. Have they ever broken anything ever?

You're funny.

you and i see this front office looking from the same pair of glasses and i'm so glad they're not rose colored.

Bowe has a huge ego and honestly believes he is in the same class as Andre Johnson.

I know for a fact that he didn't like getting tagged with the non exclusive franchise tag and that they were working on an extention for him most of last season and at one point weren't extremely far apart. I was told, at the time around week 10 or 11, that they were close to a deal for 60-65 million (total value) 30 in guarantees...5 years.

The same person that told me about the contract stuff is the same person that told me about the Haley/McDaniels finger pointing incident how Haley knew Josh had cheated and that was verified by Dustin Colquit about a month later. It's legit.

He hasn't been around the negotiations the last couple months but indicated that Megatrons deal threw a curveball into things.

I wouldn't be ONE BIT surprised if Bowe wants traded and that NOBODY wants
to talk trade for a first for what Bowe wants, contract wise.

Our best case scenario is that this is a wake up call for Bowe so he signs for a reasonable deal after seeing that nobody was willing to move a 1st for him.

At least Carl won a playoff game in his first five seasons.

Pioli will never win a playoff game here. He won't come close.

So far we're a competitive team that's a QB away from really doing something.

How they've done it is different but that's exactly the same end result as under Carl...

Yep. But I think at this point of their trenure in KC, Carl had accomplished more...

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

We have ONE WIN over a playoff team in three years.

ONE WIN.

TWO wins over teams with winning records.

Competitive, bros.

i don't blame Bowe one bit if he forces a trade to a team where he has a chance to post great numbers, it sure ain't gonna happen here.

I think we've won more than 1 game there bro.

Carl hired 2 shitty HCs.

You idiot, we beat 2 playoff teams THIS YEAR.

We've won 1 division title and were 1 game out of winning another.

I'm done.

We've gone full reerun arguing who is a worse GM.

LMAO

Sorry, my mistake. We beat the Packers and Broncos.

Three wins over playoff teams in three years, one of which was the 7-9 seahawks.

Competitive as ****.

He had.

I think the big difference was the quality of the players. I think the team top to bottom is solid. Not spectacular, not all pro, but solid with a few probowlers.

Carl's teams had some really average or below players and some true super studs.

Peterson built one of the winningest teams in the 90s. I believe the Chiefs had over 100 wins in the decade. Of course he didn't win the SB but he did turn the Chiefs into a very good organization.

He also had draft picks of D. Thomas, N. Smith, T. Gonzalez, D. Carter, several Olineman, etc...

yep.

the one player you left out that stands out to me was Will Shields.

I'm not a big fan of the RAC hiring. But on Haley, regardless of whether his personality was toxic or not, under his watch a lot of players' work ethic and discipline improved exponentially. I'd say that he was a great coach at the right time, and still believe it was an arrogant mistake to sabotage and fire him.

Carl didnt draft Neil Smith.

We traded up one spot (losing a second rounder iirc) to draft him at 3 in 88.

I included him in the Olineman but here are some more (some repeats):

Branden Albert
Brandon Flowers
Jamaal Charles
Brandon Carr
Dwayne Bowe
Tamba Hali
Derrick Johnson
Jared Allen
Larry Johnson
John Tait
Gary Stills
Tony Gonzalez
Jerome Woods
Reggie Tongue
Donnie Edwards
Joe Horn
Will Shields
Dale Carter
Tim Grunhard
David Szott
Derrick Thomas
Neil Smith

:facepalm:

I think you are correct. Neil Smith was before DT. DT was his first draft.

IIRC he landed Okoye and DT in 89.

Okoye was drafted in 87

So what is he?


Great - No ****ing way

Very Good - On the some of the days he doesn't disappear

Good - Most of the time

I call BS on this rumor.

They are giving Bowe the Carr treatment, like they plan to play hardball with him and then end up losing him next offseason...

If Bowe thinks he's worth Fitzgerard or Calvin Johnson's money, he's nucking futs. These two are in a different level as to how they change the defensive coordinators plans. a 5/50 to 5/60 contract is what I see as his true value.

He won 3 playoff games in 20 YEARS!!!!! Also he drafted 0 QB's in the first round in 20 YEARS! Carl was awful. He had some good teams but his overall performance over the past 20 years is pathetic for a GM with almost absolute power.

I have never seen any indication he thinks he is a top 3 receiver. Never seen any contract demands either. The front office just doesn't seem interested in paying him market rate to stay around. Is this the Patriot way, doing it without any real star receivers? Maybe. Just as soon as we get our Brady I'll be excited about that.

Bowe should be given a fair, top 10 contract and resigned to a long term deal.

This

Put him on a team with a non-pants-shitting QB and see what happens.

Bowe caught 15 touchdowns with Matt Cassel throwing to him. There is no way you can spin that.

he's a great wide receiver.

yep.
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Yeah, you're right. Cut him.

Bowe NEVER disappears.

NEVER

The quarterback disappeared from KC on opening day in 2006.

Cut him. /notorious

LMAO

This x1000

I call BS on this rumor as well. Russ Lande throws a lot of shit against the wall and hopes some of it sticks.

I'm betting Pioli and company leaked this rumor to the press as contract leverage. In order to show Bowe how much the rest of the NFL values him.

That makes much more sense to me. I like the leverage angle. Well played aturnis.

Yup. It should tell you anyone who believes this is a god damned moron.

not like we have a reasdon for a pro-bowl wide receiver
almost anybody can run a 7 yard curl

plus mccluster is welker

That's been my belief as well. Anything coming out this week, starting with Bowe "may be signing his tender" has been public 'negotiation' from the various sides.

Here's the problem.

Teams can work out the perameters of a trade involving a franchised player, but that trade can not be consumated until that player signs his franchise tender.

In order for a deal to be worked out involving Bowe, they would have to have him standing by with pen and contract, and that contract would then have to be sent immediately to the commissioner's office for approval.

All that has to be completed for the trade to be consumated.

And it has to be done in a matter of minutes.

Virtually impossible.

And you know this, how?

Basically one play out of winning another.

We came pretty damn close on some games against the elite. Almost beat Peyton and the Colts in 2010 and there were a few other ones.

By all accounts he was all set to draft Kyle Boler, before he was mercifully snatched up by Baltimore.

Good speculation.

Story of this franchise. If you're happy with that, you probably voted for Obama.

No I'm not happy with that. But the first step to compete with the elite is to play them competitively. We belonged on the field with some of the elite in 2010. Usually one or two plays needed to go our way to pull off a win.

You play to win the game

And I submit we did in those games and did not shame ourselves. Sometimes you even deserve a win but you lose only because of a chance bounce of the ball.

we got shamed in the play offs against the ****ing Ravens. That was a good ole fashion behind the woodshed ass beating. lol

It is bullshit. KC local media hardly ever breaks anything. I didnt hear about anything from anyone on the national media especially guys who break stories. I dont recall seeing a damned thing from anyone thats a legit reporter.