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Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=263100)
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Poe Powe Houston DJ Berry Arenas It's gonna be a group effort in making Ryan uncomfortable. |
Matt Ryan isn't as deadly as some of y'all make him out to be. If you look at his stats you can see that he struggles against good defenses. Although I must say this season he has added 5 lb's of muscle and completed 75% of his passes in preseason he may revert to being an elite game manager. Everyone here in Atlanta is waiting for Ryan to take that next step where he can become that franchise QB who can deliver in the postseason. Our new Offensive Coordinator is looking to air it out more so we'll see whether Matt's past was a product of coaching or ability. Anyway's, until proven otherwise, Ryan isn't to be feared. Julio on the other hand...
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Matt Cassel is only a good QB when the table is perfectly set. Which is why the idea that a game manager is okay breaks down. Cassel can never beat a team in a shootout. Even the best of defenses like Pittsburgh force the QB to gunsling from time to time. We saw it time and time again. People blame our defense for giving up too many TDs against Denver 2 years or MIami last year or many of our other blowouts. Nobody mentions that Cassel always starts pathetically slow and it puts the game out of reach in the 1st quarter. Our high % of blowouts... people blame Haley most, but the top guy to blame is Cassel.
I hate that this is true. But only through these kinds of blowouts will a message be sent that an average game manager isn't good enough. |
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We are going to have to own the game clock
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many on here we're calling him a bust before his breakout aka when Jared Allen left and we switched to a 34. In fact there are threads people bump that joke about this today. Just a few years ago we were the worst pass rushing team in the NFL in terms of sack output and people have been crying for years that Tamba needs more pass rush help on this team. I agree Justin Houston provides that. But Justin Houston by himself as the only pass rush threat doesn't do us any favors. |
FKKKK THE PIGEONS!!!!!
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Bring those mofos on. I am tired of all of the scared talk.......Hali be damned, let's give those punks a KC ass whoopin!!!
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Let me talk to the team before the game........."Hey Eric and Justin, guess what they are saying about you in the A...."
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Matty ice my ass.....Matty melted water is more like it...Let's see how he deals with Arrowhead.....You know what we do to hyped NFC teams at Arrowhead.....
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who is going to cover anyone? Even if Flowers does play, who is going to cover the 3rd wideout? let's just say that Flowers and Routt can hold their own against White and Jones. Which guy are you going to have cover the 3 wide receiver? Arenas is very limited about what type of receiver he can cover. The guy can't be too big or too fast. Jalil Brown is stank ass Jacques Reeves is even worse than stank ass Travis Daniels is meh who's going to cover Tony G? apparently berry is going to play like a linebacker Elam? Lewis(even if he plays he can't cover worth a shit) Hartman? i still think we are going to struggle to cover tightends this year. teams are going to do to us what teams did to the Steelers a few years back. Just go to a multiple receiver set, spread the defense and abuse the 3rd/4th corner. |
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Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.
Because Ray Lewis plays for Baltimore? |
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IMO he has done quite well covering slot receivers since day one. I have little worries about him covering Harry Douglas. |
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Hopefully no injuries, or aggravated injuries, to both teams on Sunday and may the best team win. Looking forward to a great game. And if you'd like we can trade QBs. |
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So yeah, even with the Chiefs missing 2 key guys, the secondary is still pretty solid. With our starting guys, I think we have one of the deepest secondaries in the NFL. PS the reason we couldn't cover tight ends in the past is because we didn't have Eric Berry. That changes this season. Piscatelli was an absolute embarrassment. |
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He was still taken too high.
If you spend a 2nd on a CB he should be starting material. Arenas ain't. We got a 4th round value in the 2nd. Yahooty. |
The matchups I hate in the season opener are Jones/Flowers and Tony G (if it's true that DJ has a HAS)
White is gonna win some matchups against Routt, but I think SR will hold his own. IMO Arenas wins the Harry Douglas matchup. Our run d should keep them in 2nd and 3rd and long situations. I've said it a couple times...if Cassel can give us what he did in mid 2010, we win the game...if not, we might get blown out. |
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They want their post back. |
Arenas is another case of guys around here thinking a guy was over drafted, so they get a negative impression of them in their head, and that somehow convinces them that the guy is crappy because of it.
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And tell me again, why you are posting before the season, Clay.
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Monday Week 1.
Let Clay Play...Let Clay Play... |
In an attempt to save myself, and the rest of the board from as much of your spew as possible, I'd like to make a bet with you Clay. Since you are so sure the ATL will "nuke" us, If we lose, I will not be able to post, until we win a game, If we win, you Cannot post until we lose. Deal?
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I want to see gifd up |
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You need talent at the 5th DB, right? |
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No, I enjoy our discussions. :D
Arenas is not crappy. He is a solid nickel back. But he was definitely not worth that 2nd round pick. It's a criticism of Pioli, not Arenas. |
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Answer: yes, it is. |
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You need a solid 5th CB, and we have one. A second is NOT too high for his purpose. |
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We need Cassel to play like he did against Seattle in 2010, though. |
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I'm no fan of Scott's, but that's because of Cassel. |
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He also subsidizes the pass rush.
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The only guy I'd take over Arenas out of those guys is Cody. BTW...calling Cody or Spikes a "3 down player" is a ****ing joke and shows your inability to understand your own comment. |
You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.
He was overdrafted, period. Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't. |
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Only Devin Hester and Patrick Peterson had a higher average per return in the whole NFL. |
Let's not even compare Arenas to those guys, because he isn't the same kind of returner, and we all know it.
3rd or 4th round value. Could go up or down based on how he plays this year against better QBs. Danny Amendola be smokin' dat ass. :) |
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Here is a list of CBs that were drafted between 2010 and 2012 in the third and fourth round. Less than a handful are better than Arenas STRICTLY AS A CORNER and once you figure in the ability to blitz and his ability as a returner...to call it a bad pick is straight up lame and ignorant. 2012 2 62 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt Green Bay Packers 3 65 Trumaine Johnson CB Montana St. Louis Rams 3 66 Josh Robinson CB Central Florida Minnesota Vikings 3 80 Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma Arizona Cardinals 3 85 Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette Detroit Lions 3 94 Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech New York Giants 4 101 Omar Bolden CB Arizona State Denver Broncos 4 115 Coty Sensabaugh CB Clemson Tennessee Titans 4 123 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia Philadelphia Eagles 4 124 Ron Brooks CB LSU Buffalo Bills 2011 3 80 Chris Culliver DB South Carolina San Francisco 49ers 3 81 DeMarcus Van Dyke DB Miami (Fla.) Oakland Raiders 3 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville New Orleans Saints 3 89 Shareece Wright DB USC San Diego Chargers 3 90 Curtis Marsh DB Utah State Philadelphia Eagles 3 93 Chris Conte DB California Chicago Bears 3 95 Curtis Brown DB Texas Pittsburgh Steelers 4 98 Brandon Hogan CB West Virginia Carolina Panthers 4 100 Da'Norris Searcy DB North Carolina Buffalo Bills 4 108 Quinton Carter DB Oklahoma Denver Broncos 4 113 Chimdi Chekwa DB Ohio State Oakland Raiders 4 118 Jalil Brown DB Colorado Kansas City Chiefs 4 121 Chris Prosinski DB Wyoming Jacksonville Jaguars 4 127 Rashad Carmichael DB Virginia Tech Houston Texans 4 128 Cortez Allen DB The Citadel Pittsburgh Steelers 2010 3 65 Jerome Murphy DB South Florida St. Louis Rams 3 67 Myron Lewis DB Vanderbilt Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3 75 Major Wright DB Florida Chicago Bears 3 94 Kevin Thomas DB USC Indianapolis Colts 3 96 Brandon Ghee DB Wake Forest Cincinnati Bengals 4 104 Alterraun Verner CB UCLA Tennessee Titans 4 105 Trevard Lindley DB Kentucky Philadelphia Eagles 4 110 Darrell Stuckey DB Kansas San Diego Chargers 4 111 Walter Thurmond CB Oregon Seattle Seahawks 4 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA) Dallas Cowboys |
Brandon Flowers was also taken in the 2nd round, like Arenas.
Flowers is good 2nd round value. Arenas ain't. |
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I wouldn't say it was a BAD pick.
I would just say he was drafted a little too high. It's not like Arenas sucks or anything. He's good at what he does. He's not Dexter McCluster. I appreciate what Arenas does for our team. But when you draft a corner that high, he should absolutely have the ability to be a starter, or at least a spot starter. It's OK to make a pick like Arenas when you are nailing your other high picks. Pioli doesn't, unfortunately. |
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The fact that he didnt break one long one and was STILL had the third highest average per return shows how good he is at it. Let me take it one step further.... Devin Hester 4 fumbles on 28 punt returns Patrick Peterson had 3 fumbles on 44 punt returns Javier Arenas had 1 fumble on 32 punt returns Lets stop acting like the guy isn't very effective as a punt returner...the facts show he is one of the absolute best. |
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at real NFL positions and not a part time gadget 2nd string position |
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In todays NFL, a nickel corner is basically a starter. How many snaps did Arenas play last year as opposed to Carr or Flowers? 60-70% is my guess. Lets not act like Pioli hasn't drafted extremely well, either. We have been one of the best drafting teams in the league the last 4 drafts. |
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Almost 1,000 for Flowers. Not remotely the same thing. And he can't start on the outside in the event of an injury. That is why his value is lower. Shit, there were 8 games last year where he played less than 20 snaps. 2nd round pick? LMAO |
Wasn't he like 3rd in punt return average last year?
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Dumb ****ing post. |
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Slowly. I bet Arenas played more snaps than Spikes or Cody. Tate is injury prone. Angerer and Lee are decent linebackers, but I don't think the difference between either guy and Belcher is that big. The difference between Arenas and the other corners we have had playing nickel for us over the years? HUGE |
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Taking a role player late in the second is okay. I don't know why people are treating that pick like it's some kind of a money-maker. You're either going to take a really good role player or likely take a very good player at a tier 2 position like Inside LB or Safety or Guard. If you're very, very lucky, you get a top-notch tier 1 player, but that doesn't happen nearly as often as we think. So no, I'm not going to get upset if we chose a nickel back over an Inside LB. |
Arenas - 382 snaps
Spikes - 542 snaps in only 11 games (incl. playoffs) Cody - 544 snaps in 18 games (incl. playoffs) value? how does it work? |
Who knew the Nickel was a gadget?
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I wouldn't call Arenas a gadget at all.
Again, he's not Dexter McBuster. He's a player with value on our defense. Value that can be found in the 3rd or 4th. |
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Those have to be taken out to have a level playing field. |
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Did you just glance over the whole post where I posted every corner drafted in the 3rd and 4th round over the last 3 drafts? There is VERY LITTLE non trash in the list. Stop posting in 1996 style. |
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