Alex Smith!

Joe Flacco!

Eh, I get like that around here all the time. It happens.

Hey, maybe Mike Glennon is really good!

Fair enough. I'd be lying if I said that any mental picture that I have of him isn't from later in his career.

I never do. No, I'm not lying. **** you, mother****er, i'm gonna tear your ****ing ****-ass face off.

I did NOT agree that Barkley had a weaker arm than Pennington, NO I DID NOT.

Let me put it this way - name an option for QB that is BETTER than taking Barkley at #3.

Alex Smith? Trying to go after Matt Flynn?

Or would you prefer to do nothing and go into next season with a battle between Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel?

Oh let me guess, you're gonna trade down and play Russion Roulette with the most important position in professional sports.

We haven't drafted one in like 25 years. Why would we change that now? Especially when there's possibly a 49ers backup available.

If someone wants to identify an alternative course of action other than the draft, I'm ready to read and be convinced of it. I'll champion the cause to go balls deep on this QB in an effort to "save the Chiefs."

But I need to know whom we're targeting and how we're acquiring this QB. Be very specific. If not, you really have no plan.

My plan is to draft Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. I'm doing this with the team's first selection in the first round. These are each very talented QBs whom I believe will instantly improve the roster.

Now give me your plan and explain how QB __ makes more sense.

Give up whatever it takes to get Cousins and platoon him and Stanzi? Clone a child of the two and name him Stanzins?

Yep. Figured this type of post might kill the thread.

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Posted by htismage commenting back to Laz.

My comment to Laz

Your comment back to me.


Your comments in http://http://www.chiefsplanet.com/B...d.php?t=263693 sure seem to say something different at least to me.

ROFL

:Lin:

ROFL

He asked if Barkley was Chad Pennington and I said "no" - it doesn't get any more clear than that. There's an implied statement about Pennington in my statement about Barkley.

"Barkley can't drive the ball down the field with his arm but he can make the intermediate throws" - the part in bold implies that Barkley can make the intermediate throws while Pennington struggled with them.

My reply to you was specifically about Pennington's shoulder issues, not your comments on his arm strength.

Good christ. :facepalm:

Who can't make the intermediate throws. We need a QB that can drive the ball downfield.

Not worried.

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Lots of QBs can't make the intermediate throws, Lord knows Cassel and Quinn can't.

You can win in this game using an offense that relies on accuracy/timing (something Barkley has) and YAC (something Bowe excels at).

Barkley isn't all that different than Drew Brees in this aspect.

He throws a nice fade. I worry that it hangs a little though - NFL CBs can close on that pretty fast.

That's actually one of the things I like the most about Smith. He's got the cannon, can deliver the 50-yard strike on target. But he can also make basically any other throw. And he has touch. You won't see him breaking guys fingers on slants or throwing screens with no arc on the delivery.

True enough. I see it as:

Smith
Wilson


Barkley.


But the last option is substantially better than anything else available to us (still waiting on someone to offer another plan), and is a legitimate first-round talent whom we could build around and win with.

Agree 100% with all of the above.

I think the only reason we're talking about Barkley at all is the possibility of falling to the 3rd pick, and Smith and Wilson being picks one and two.

Which I don't think is really a realistic possibility for a number of reasons...

But stranger things have happened.

Wilson's probably the biggest wild card for me. Being a Petrino QB worries me much like being a USC QB worries me. But attribute wise, I think he certainly has more to like than Barkley.

In the end, I really hope it's Smith.

Nassib>Barkley.

I agree, but that doesn't mean that we just need to take a QB with the first pick. We need a QB with a top pick, but it doesn't have to be our 1st. Let me give some examples.

#1. Look at what the Bengals did. They took the best player available in AJ Green and then took Andy Dalton at the top of the 2nd. They were smart about it and drafted a QB that fit their system. Obviously, Dalton was a better pick than Locker or Gabbert. The Chiefs need a QB that fits their system.

#2. The Browns are another example. They traded up to get Trent Richardson when they desperately needed a QB. Then they took Brandon Weeden with the 22nd pick. Time will reveal if this was a good move, but Weeden seems to be having a solid first year.

The point is that there are different ways to build a team. The Chiefs could draft another position with their first pick and try trade up into the 2nd to take a QB or sit tight like the Bengals and take a QB.

That's great if we're trying to be the Browns or Bengals.

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

oh noes, so risky....we might end up 2-14 if that happens

co-sign

Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno?


Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

He plays on a shitty team, and he's black. /BS "logic"

Cool. And we're sacrificing a first next year to trade back up to get whom?

(understand you're not advocating this)

I'm seriously asking for someone to break down his flaws.


I'm of the opinion that if his defense was even average and they win a few of those close games, we aren't really having this discussion right now.

I haven't watched him play much, but I have heard that he is a system guy with most of his passes coming from short passing plays and the yardage is mostly YAC yards. He did well early and has really slipped late. Which could because people have figured out the system, but I really don't know.... That's just what I've read.

I've watched him play alot, and I know what I think his flaws are, I was just wanting some outside perspective.

And my post was more serious than not. You have a bunch of people who haven't seen him play making comments.

That's the nature of a message board.

If Smith, Wilson, Barkley, and Murray are all gone, the rest of the group makes me soft. At that point all the QBs really ARE the same, and we may as well wait until the 2nd round so we can draft Magic Mike Glennon that everybody seems to love

Geno' s flaws: poor footwork, playing in a system which doesn' t require as many reads as he'll have to make in the NFL, inconsistent deep ball, tends to stare down a receiver at times, reluctant to run with the ball when there is an opening, ...

Pioli says that he doesnt do what a first round talent does, says hes no good at eating up blockers or stopping the run.:thumb:

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

Would it be better to select one of the Big 3 with our first or give up even more to select Murray?

Furthermore, it's not a plan if we wait until round 2 because we have to hope that our target falls or make an aggressive play to get him. Again, sacrificing more valuable resources for a lesser prospect.

You know, a REAL team that plans would have seen the Redskins trade coming from miles away and would have traded up to grab RGIII before anybody else.

Instead they traded up to grab a ****ing RB.

Yeah, **** using the Browns as sound judgment.

It's sad that we screwed the pooch with too many wins last year to miss out on what appears to be two quality franchise QB's. But, this team needs to start Stanzi the remainder of the season just to see what we have. If he still blows chunks, then we need to draft two QB's this year. If it's an option, take Geno #1 overall, then seriously consider drafting another QB in round 3 as an insurance policy just in case. It worked our pretty damn well for Washington and the position is by far our most glaring need going into the draft.

Maybe at 1-13. Not at 1-3.

And definitely not at 1-1.

Recent history has more than shown that taking DTs high is basically throwing the pick away.

There aren't any CBs worth a top 3 pick in this draft.

If Stanzi started, won all his games and threw for 300 yards each week, we still need to draft a QB.

^^This.

I would have loved for Stanzi to have been a franchise QB. However, it isn't going to happen. He probably doesn't even need to be on the roster next year.

Draft Geno, keep Stanzi/Quinn/draft pick as a back up, and draft or find an UDFA to fill the PS.

Say you plan on taking a guy like Bray in the 2nd. He is not a lesser prospect than Geno from a talent perspective. He is riskier prospect. He has maturity problems and some other off the field troubles. He has all the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB. His dropping has more to do with risk than with tools. And I believe he will be there in late round 1 or round 2.

And what are the big differences in Murray and Wilson. Murray has a better arm. Murray has shown stints of looking like a legit NFL QB but he is inconsistent. They are about the same size.

The point I am trying to make is that I don't believe that the difference between several of these guys is very much. Several of them are bunched together in terms of talent and risk.

If you look at the Ponder, Gabbert and Locker picks, everyone said that Ponder was the worst pick of the three.

Don't let the Chiefs 30 year drought of drafting a QB make you over compensate.

Oh, good. You actually don't know what the **** you're talking about and are just making shit up. Excellent. I can just ignore everything you have to say now.

there's a canyon between smith and murray

i mean, if you exclude their actual performance, they appear similar i guess...

Pretty sure I read that Murray is going back.

Dee Milliner could be pretty close.

Murray is 6'1" 210
Wilson is 6'2" 220

No CB is worth a top 3 pick.

I agree.

Murray won't measure 6'1" at the combine.

And here's the problem. You cannot "plan" on taking any QB in the second round; you "hope" to have the opportunity to select any player in the second.

A team can only plan for what it's positive it can accomplish, and the Chiefs cannot afford to hope to infuse talent at the QB position this off-season.

Therefore, my plan is to select one of the three most talented QBs in this draft, and I guarantee I can accomplish this.

With a top three pick in the draft, you absolutely must take a game changer at a high impact position.


Like I said earlier, LT, Pass rusher, or QB. Maybe a WR if you already have the other 3 and the guy is just super dynamic.

so the plan is to take a less talented, riskier prospect at QB (the most important position) so that we can draft a LB with the #1 pick?

is this what people are seriously discussing?

If you are making the call, who would try to keep & sign to a long term deal?

Bowe (keep in mind if you franchise him again that his price goes way up)
or Albert?

Actually I think it's a CB they want now. Or a TED MLB.

I'm not sure.

Both.

We have the money.

Lets see...........


Both.

There is no reason not too.

How many teams will take a QB in round 1 if the chiefs don't?

There's no logic with this approach unless you're willing to move up to get the player, which likely would be needed given the dynamics of the current CBA.

There's a lot of Dayton Mooreishness going on in this thread. No reason to overthink anything. Maximum value: stay where you are and use the talent that's available.

Yes.

Seriously.

This is the Chiefs. I don't see them keeping both. Do you? Really? With the history of the Chiefs organization, you think they keep both?

At least 4 QBs go in the 1st.

[QUOTE=DeezNutz;9200695]And my post was more serious than not. You have a bunch of people who haven't seen him play making comments.

That's the nature of a message board.[/


They are asking the exact same question about Geno on the Jacksonville board---The Jungle. Answer there from a WVU fan is that Geno has underpeformed against better defenses, and has had problems finding receivers and has been less accurate in critical third down situations. I saw him play in person against Texas early in the year and he was lights out. However, he was not the same guy in some other games (eg, TTU and K State).

What he's saying is taht if you decide to wait and get your guy in the second, it' out of your hands whether you can draft him or not.


Why not just take him early so you know you can draft him.

No clue. We can guess, but we don't have the luxury of trying to get lucky. GB did in '05, and they played their hand beautifully.

We must be intelligently proactive.

Jacksonville
Oakland
Buffalo
Arizona

With the money likely coming off the books, you almost are going to have to sign them to get to the floor.

Tyler Bray is just as physically talented as Geno Smith. He has all the upside.

I'd venture to say teams start doing this more often, with as important as the position has become.


Hell, if I were the Steelers GM and someone like Barkley or Wilson fell to me in the first round, I'd think long and hard about taking him.

You know who else should think QB? Denver, depending how they've evaluated Asswhiler this year.

Physically, maybe.


Mentally, it's not close.

It's not all physicality. Bray has had 2 first round draft picks to throw too and hasn't put up good numbers.

Well, they have a GM who seems to get it, so they probably will.

You can probably add the Jets and the Eagles to the list... Foles may get the job. But lets say 6 to be conservative. Who are your top 7 QBs?