You can disagree about the Reid hire. I like it and you don't, but I understand the reasoning people give for not liking it. I happen to like it a LOT more than Cowher or that dumb smelly turd Jon Gruden. Our other options then would come down to hiring another team's coordinator. And I totally get why people want to go with one of those guys. But in the meantime, Reid is attracting solid franchise coaches and players like a goddamn lightning rod. He's a name people respect in the NFL, and believe it or not that will get us much farther at least in this initial first year of the new coaching regime.

As for Childress, you DO realize he's not going to be serving as a head coach, right?

This.

With some smart moves, re signing some of our own free agents, we have some money to throw around and make some serious moves.

Lewis is decent safety depth as is Powe who is still developing.

ROFL You're ****ing stupid

Like I said, not every player can be a world beater, and some will have to be in development. That's just the way it is. Lewis showed a Ton of promise before this season where it seemed as though he fell off. I believe with proper coaching he, and some others can get back on track.

{sniffle}

I can always say I loved you when, Gus Bradley....

{sniffle}

DJ, who were you wanting to come in as the HC? I'm sure it's here somewhere but I don't really feel like looking around.

ROFL and so are you idiot. JFC high school day here. Count how many posts you've made suggesting all this shit about the Chiefs playing 43. It isn't gonna happen man.

He just has Mecca like pessimism, and after a 2-14 season he has plenty of ammo for his argument, but there is a lot more talent on this team, than he and some others will ever admit to. Horrible horrible coaching is the culprit for most of the failure this season. A lot of these players need another chance. I think Bailey has promise as well. Again. A lot of our guys can be decent DEPTH, but need to be replaced as starters.

Eek. Yeah. San Diego is apparently interviewing Gus Bradley and may try hard to sign him as soon as the Seahawks lose in the playoffs. That would be bad for us. Real bad.

As of now, we are all Seahawks fans. It greatly benefits us for him to delay his eligibility for the head coaching ranks as long as possible. We need San Diego to just say, "**** it, we're not waiting this long" so they settle for some Rob Chudzinski.

Not worried about SD as long as Rivers is still under center.

I might end up liking the Pederson hire if enough people talk me into it but the rest I am just not feeling it. It just seems to me we replaced Patriot tree rejects with Eagles.

And this fossil we hired as DC, you can't tell me there was no one else better than this guy?

As far as Childress goes, I was raised that if you can't say anything nice just shut up.

Tommy Brasher is a good coach. I think you'll like him. Gets a lot out of his DL players.

Pederson is not a reject. I have no clue if he'll be a good OC. Reid basically promoted him from QBC, so he must like him.

All good coaches start somewhere. Just like Reid.

Holy God am I glad we stayed the **** away from Gruden.

Talks like Herm, thinks like Daboll, coaches like Haley.

No. Thank. You.

Abreyo Franklin hit the proverbial brick wall, LITERALLY.

I know it isn't going to happen. We're also only going to draft (maybe) 1 QB in the first round, but there's ample discussion over who the other guys out there may be and how they would work in this system.

It's very apparent by this hire that we're sticking with a 3-4. I don't agree that it's the way to go about it.

Some of the intelligent posters on this board have offered a substantive rebuttal as to why they think a 3-4 is the way to go. You, on the other hand, aren't capable of same so we get the standard pre-teen tripe. Oh well; it doesn't hurt me to watch you expose yourself as a half-wit in one of the more widely viewed threads. That's going to be your cross to bear.

So keep plodding forward in your crummy world of plot holes and spelling errors if you'd like, but please try not to interrupt the adults when they are speaking. And try to dial back on calling anyone an idiot. Literally every single person that has weighed in on this thread is smarter than you.

I do so look forward to your witty retort, though. I'm sure it will be Mensa material.

4 players?

How many good players did DV have on his defense? Jared Allen was about the only big name guy. DJ was okay but average when he first started out.

Just be thankful you aren't seeing assholes like Eric Warfield, Dexter McCleon, Ryan Sims, William Bartee and Eric Hicks on this defense.

I actually like the staff, mix of up and comers and retreads.

A lot of folks speak very highly of Pederson. I'm cautiously optimistic over that one. And in the end, I'd far prefer a little new blood in that role than just giving it to Childress and hoping (worse still, Shurmer).

I like quite a few of the hires, I just do not care for the DC pick. There were a lot of good options out there, IMO.

I still don't see why we didn't kick the tires on Reggie Herring. There's just not a better tree to pluck guys from if you're intent on the 3-4 than Wade Phillips. The guy knows that defense backwards and forwards and he hand-picked Herring to follow him from Dallas to the Texans.

Sure looks like a nice resume to me.

Warfield = Lewis
McCleon = Arenas
Sims = Jackson
Bartee = Brown
Hicks // Siler (different positions, similar effectiveness)

Yeah...you are seeing assholes like that on this defense.

ROFL:popcorn:

Lewis, Arenas, Brown and Siler won't be starting next year like all of those guys did.

Good depth. Bad starters.

I know they asked the Cardinals and they apparently said no, but I was pumped to hear they were targeting Ray Horton. Wish we could have gotten him.

But, I will say this. Unlike the previous regime of sticking a square peg in a round hole, it seems as if they went and got a guy who best ifts the talent already here.

And is anybody else concerned that Bob Sutton is a bad hire?

The guy was a DC for like 2 years, then got demoted.

I like Lewis and Arenas as depth. The rest can GTFO.

Lewis for depth, can live without Arenas really

Fine. I won't bitch about him until he starts calling plays like Daboll

Anyone hear whats going on with our GM search?

Call me crazy, but I also still think there is hope for Arenas and some others. As I was saying before, I'm talking about roster spots. Even if as the 4th CB, I think he has a spot on this team.

Who knows?

He was also assist. HC.

Eric Warfield would've absolutely destroyed Lewis at anything. The worst thing Warfield ever did was get labeled as a #1 corner. As a #2 or as a FS, he'd have been an outstanding player.

And Arenas is McCleon. Ol' Dex had a couple of very nice years as a nickle corner before he got exposed.

Don't fool yourself - this roster has plenty of guys on it that we'll be calling dicks in a few years as well.

I agree. I like Arenas

He got considerably worse.

By a LOT.

Don't want to see people saying he improved. It's not true.

I have little doubt that Lewis can contribute

I think Lewis's shoulder was messed up all year, still though, he needs to be playing the 3rd safety in sub sets.


Not the starter.

Which is why, being a passing league, I'd like to target Byrd as our big free agent signing this offseason. We likely won't though.


All these spots don't have to be filled int he draft, free agency is a good place to get depth and an occasional starter but you have to pay for it.

Wow you sure do know more than NFL professionals. Why aren't you a GM in this league? /Caps Deb

Arenas is like Flowers in this regard: When they get burnt, it doesn't look like they get burnt.

Carr was a whipping boy around here because when he got beat, he was out of position and it looked like he was getting smoked. Flowers, OTOH, would get beat when a bigger, faster guy would just flat take the ball away from him.

In the end, beat is beat. Flowers didn't get beat appreciably more often than Carr, but folks were harder on Carr because Flowers didn't look as bad in getting burned.

Arenas is the same way. He often looks like he's where he's supposed to be, but he's just a hair too slow or too small so the ball gets caught. He looks like he had 'decent coverage', but in the end his physical limitations are just too much for him to be very good (because he's nowhere near as skilled as Flowers).

It's why he doesn't look awful on tape, but PFF just destroys him and his catch rates are so poor.

Close doesn't count in this league. Beat is beat and Arenas gets beat as often as anyone in the game. If you can improve on him as your nickle you should, let alone as your starter. He's an easily replaceable player, IMO.

Agreed, he filled in much better than i had anticipated.

Too small for permanent #2 duty, but still seems like a good guy to keep around.

He and others were progressing before last season. Although I want Jackson gone, I almost want to erase this past season as an evaluation of a lot of these players. It's obvious that the leadership, coaching wise, was completely screwed up.
A lot of turnover is coming, but there's a lot of guys who I want to be evaluated under new leadership before getting rid of. We all know how important coaching is in this league, and it's as if it was non-existent this past season.

I agree. That would explain why he was so passive in his tackling.

Good news is that the safety class is very deep in this draft. We could get a very talented guy with our 3rd or 4th round pick.

The especially maddening thing about the Pioli regime is that they didn't learn their ****ing lesson. They drafted the SAME CBs with the same lack of speed and physical talent.

Menzie is as slow as Arenas is as slow as Jalil Brown. They just come in different size packages. And coincidentally, we have asked them all to play a bit of nickel at some point in their careers as Chiefs. Menzie didn't get much of a chance, but he WAS drafted to be a physical bump-and-run slot corner in addition to playing backup safety.

I can agree with this. I don't want people to think I am advocating putting these guys back out there in starting roles, just believe that they have a place on this team.

Yep.

This years free agency class at DB/S is pretty good as well.

Louis Delmas, Byrd, Gholdston and Moore are all UFA's. William Moore with Eric Berry back there would be pretty great IMO.


I'd also take a flyer on Brent Grimes.

Not really. It was Mangini defense and he was the scape goat. He must be a good coach if Herm, Mangini, and Rex all kept him around as they all came from good defensive trees.

You nailed it TBG! KCCHIEFS.COM
Confirmed these:
Chiefs Announce Coaching Staff Hires
Posted 16 minutes ago

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Kansas City Chiefs Public Relations
Official Press Release
Email @ChiefsPR
KANSAS CITY, Mo. – The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Friday several coaching staff hires for the 2013 season. Newcomers to the staff include:

Eric Bieniemy (Running Backs), Tommy Brasher (Defensive Line), Travis Crittenden (Assistant Strength and Conditioning), David Culley (Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers), Mike Frazier (Statistical Analysis Coordinator), Corey Matthaei (Quality Control), Tom Melvin (Tight Ends), Matt Nagy (Quarterbacks), Britt Reid (Quality Control) and Barry Rubin (Head Strength and Conditioning).

“I’m pleased we were able to get all of these coaches on board,” Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid said. “I have relationships with each of them, and I know their past experiences, work ethics and coaching styles. These are high-character coaches, and each one brings something different to the table for us.”

NEWCOMERS

Eric Bieniemy (Running Backs) – Bieniemy enters his first season with the Chiefs as the teams’ running backs coach after a two-year stint at the University of Colorado where he served as the offensive coordinator/running backs coach. Prior to returning to his alma mater in 2011, he spent five seasons (2006-10) in Minnesota coaching the Vikings running backs. He was part of a Vikings team that won consecutive NFC North Division titles in 2008-09. In those five seasons, the Vikings produced a 1,000-yard rusher each year while his stable of running backs broke the 100-yard mark 31 times in 80 regular season games. Prior to coaching in Minnesota, he coached at UCLA (2003-05), Colorado (2001-02) and Thomas Jefferson High School in Denver, Colo. (2000).

Bieniemy was an All-American tailback for the Buffaloes (1987-90). He originally entered the NFL as the San Diego Chargers second-round pick in the 1991 NFL draft. He enjoyed a nine-year pro career with three teams: San Diego (1991-94), Cincinnati (1995-98) and Philadelphia (1999) under Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid.

Tommy Brasher (Defensive Line) – Beginning his 25th year as an NFL coach, Brasher was named Kansas City’s defensive line coach after three separate tours of duty in Philadelphia, all as the club’s defensive line coach. He rejoined the Eagles’ coaching staff as defensive line coach on Dec. 3, 2012 for his ninth year with the team. Prior to rejoining the Eagles, he spent seven years tutoring the defensive linemen in Philadelphia (1999-05). He held the same role with the Eagles during the 1985 season on then-Head Coach Marion Campbell’s staff. In his inaugural year with Philadelphia in 1985, DEs Greg Brown and rookie Reggie White each recorded 13.0 sacks apiece.

Prior to joining the Eagles in 1999, Brasher served as the defensive line coach in Seattle (1992-98), Tampa Bay (1990) and Atlanta (1986-89). His first NFL coaching experience came with New England as he coached the defensive line for three seasons (1982-84). Prior to becoming an NFL coach, Brasher coached the defensive line at Southern Methodist University (1977-81) and was defensive coordinator at Northeast Louisiana (1974, 1976) and the Shreveport Steamer of the World Football League (1975). He coached the defensive line and linebackers at Virginia Tech (1971) and served as a defensive assistant for his alma mater, Arkansas, in 1970. Brasher was an all-conference selection as a linebacker at Arkansas (1962-63), where he was a teammate of Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and former Dolphins and Cowboys Head Coach Jimmy Johnson.

Travis Crittenden (Assistant Strength & Conditioning) – Crittenden enters his first season with the Chiefs after spending the 2012 season as a strength and conditioning assistant for the Philadelphia Eagles. Prior to entering the NFL, he served as the director of football operations and general manager of Competitive Edge Sports in Atlanta, Ga., for eight years (2004-11) where he led professional athletes through offseason training and also prepared collegiate football players for the NFL Combine and pro days. He also was an advisor at Speedworx Sports and a director of sports performance at 360 Football Academy. A Wichita Falls, Texas, native, he played football at Fork Union Military Academy (1999-00) before finishing his collegiate career at Virginia Military Institute (2000-03).

David Culley (Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers) – Entering his 20th season coaching in the NFL, Culley embarks on his first season as the Chiefs assistant head coach/wide receivers coach after coaching 14 campaigns in Philadelphia as wide receivers coach (1999-10) and senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach (2011-12) for Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid. Culley originally joined the Eagles after a three-year stint as the Pittsburgh Steelers wide receivers coach (1996-98). His initial NFL coaching experience came with a two-year stay as the wide receivers coach for Tampa Bay (1994-95). A native of Sparta, Tenn., Culley was recruited by Bill Parcells as a quarterback at Vanderbilt University. He then broke into the coaching ranks overseeing the running backs at Austin Peay University (1978). Culley then returned to Vanderbilt to coach the wide receivers (1979-81). He had a series of one-year stops at Middle Tennessee State, Tennessee-Chattanooga, and Western Kentucky before spending four years as quarterbacks coach at Southwestern Louisiana. Culley jumped to the University of Texas-El Paso for a two-year stint as the offensive coordinator/running backs/wide receivers coach (1989-90) before joining the staff at Texas A&M to coach the wide receivers (1991-93). He graduated from Vanderbilt University with a degree in health and physical education.

Mike Frazier (Statistical Analysis Coordinator) – Frazier enters his first season with the Chiefs as the statistical analysis coordinator after a nine-year stint in the same capacity for the Philadelphia Eagles. Frazier attended Wooster College (1999-03) and was hired by the Eagles upon graduation after completing internships with Smith Barney and Wachovia Securities as an undergrad.

Corey Matthaei (Quality Control) – Matthaei joins the Chiefs as one of the club’s quality control coaches. He most recently served three seasons under Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid with the Philadelphia Eagles as the assistant to the head coach from 2010-12. From 2008-09, Matthaei was a coaching assistant for the Eagles and spent 2006-07 as the club’s football operations assistant for training camp. Prior to joining Philadelphia, Matthaei played on the offensive line at Willamette University in Salem, Ore. (2003-06). After graduation, he served as Willamette’s offensive assistant in 2007.

Tom Melvin (Tight Ends) – Melvin becomes the Chiefs tight ends coach after coaching 14 seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles. In his final 11 seasons with Philadelphia, Melvin coached the team’s tight ends (2002-12) after serving as the team’s offensive assistant/quality control coach for his first three years. Under Melvin’s tutelage, Eagles TE Brent Celek emerged as one of the top tight ends in the NFL, catching 280 passes for 3,473 yards and 20 TDs in six years playing for Melvin and the Eagles. Melvin played on the offensive line at San Francisco State (1982-83) for Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid for one season (1983) while Reid served as offensive line coach for San Francisco State. Prior to joining the Eagles in 1999, Melvin was offensive coordinator and offensive line coach at Occidental College (1991-98) and served as offensive coordinator and offensive line coach at the University of California – Santa Barbara (1988-90). He oversaw the running backs, offensive line and tight ends at Northern Arizona (1986-87) after he began his coaching career at his alma mater, San Francisco State (1984-85), as a graduate assistant.

Matt Nagy (Quarterbacks) – Entering his third season in the NFL, Nagy was hired as Kansas City’s quarterbacks coach after serving the previous two seasons as the Philadelphia Eagles offensive quality control coach. Before being promoted to Philadelphia’s offensive quality control coach in 2011, Nagy served as a coaching assistant during the 2010 season after spending the 2008 and 2009 training camps as a coaching intern for the Eagles. A former quarterback for the Arena Football League, Nagy played six seasons for the New York Dragons (2002), Carolina Cobras (2004), Georgia Force (2005-06) and Columbus Destroyers (2007-08). During his AFL career, Nagy completed 65.5 percent of his passes for 18,866 yards, 374 touchdowns and a quarterback rating of 115.1. He played collegiately at Delaware, setting more than 20 career passing records at the time, still holding career marks for passing yards (8,214) and touchdowns (58). He ranks second for most career attempts (895) and most career completions (502) behind former Delaware and current Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco. Nagy earned All-America honors as a senior for the Blue Hens.

Britt Reid (Quality Control) – Reid enters his first season in the NFL after spending three seasons with the Temple University Owls. At Temple, Reid served as a graduate assistant, working with the offensive side of the ball after a two-year stint as an offensive assistant while he completed his degree. In addition to his three years at Temple, Reid has worked the Steve Addazio football camp for the past two years and in 2008, he served as an assistant offensive line coach at St. Joseph’s Prep in Philadelphia. He got his first taste of NFL experience as a training camp coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles in 2009. Reid is the son of Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid.

Barry Rubin (Head Strength & Conditioning) – Rubin enters his first season with the Chiefs after serving the previous three seasons in the same capacity in Philadelphia (2010-12). Prior to being promoted to the Eagles head strength and conditioning coach position in 2010, he was an assistant for two years (2008-09). Before his move to Philadelphia, he spent seven years as the head strength and conditioning coach (1999-2005) and four years as an assistant (1995-98) for the Green Bay Packers. During his tenure in Green Bay, the Packers earned six division titles, two NFC championship titles and one Super Bowl victory under Head Coach Mike Holmgren. He also served as the strength coach at Northeast Louisiana (1982-83, 1987-90 and 1994) and LSU (1984-85). Rubin was inducted into the USA Strength and Conditioning Coaches Hall of Fame in 2003. He was a tight end and punter at Northwestern (La.) State from 1978-80 after playing running back and punter at LSU from 1976-77.

Arrowhead Pride did a write up on Sutton.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...ordinator-jets

Excellent points because I always think man he is right there to make the play and sometimes he does other time he doesn't.

Wow so no Childress? Interesting

No Pederson either so they must be waiting

Why did Andy Reid bring his son along? Dude has road rage. "Britt Reid pleaded guilty to charges including felony possession of a firearm without a license after he was accused of pointing a handgun at another driver in a traffic confrontation on the same day. Britt Reid served 22 months in jail."

I'll wait and see. But Jets fans should know him well, and they don't leave me with a good feeling on this one:

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...he-kansas-city

Damn outside of Bieniemy all those are former Eagles coaches.

Childress thing is shocking. To be fair though they'll likely announce him with the coordinator hires

William Moore and Jeremy Maclin.....

.....TIGERGASM!!!!!!


.....okay, I'm composed again.

I know, it's just hardcore homerism, but man do I love both of those guys. Go frame Sean Weatherspoon for beating his girlfriend so the Falcons can give him the 'Rainey' treatment and we'll pick him up as well.

Jets beat writers think he was a great hire.

Thank you so much for clearing this up for me. I couldn't figure out what his actual defensive system was.

What is his position going to be because the WR coach is the Assistant Head Coach as well?

I reserve all judgments on Sutton, but Jets fans are ****ing reeruned.

Not so uncommon. When Head Coaches get fired, they tend to bring most of their former Staff with them.

I actually played against Moore while he was at Haiti, so there is that.


Maclin and Moore fill two holes, although I think I'd rather give up picks for Harvin.

Whats up with John Dorsey

Would probably be still senior offensive assistant. Source seemed certain he was coming.

I hope Reid doesn't take Rick Burkholder from us. Stay away, Andy!

It's funny that people don't understand every coach in the NFL brings their own guys that know their schemes already.

Special teams? Still Toub more than likely...?

Uh....so....

It looks like the defense was solid when he was a LB coach, sucked when he was the coordinator and then became solid when he got fired and became a LB coach again.

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU...............

So much Daboll stink on this one. Just so very much Daboll stink.

He can't get anyone outside his tree? ;)

I'm glad he didn't take Ted Williams, our RB coach. He is such a great coach. I'm not the biggest Culley fan, but you could do worse. He's solid. Brasher was a good move.

I'm curious if they are waiting for Castillo to decide. He'd be a great pickup for the Chiefs at OL coach.

As for Britt Reid, he also had his other son Garrett(who killed himself) on the staff also. He's throwing his sons a bone basically.

We better hope to god the guy learned something from Rex, cause if he didn't we aren't upgrading.

Yup.

Seriously, was Pioli ****ing drunk when he started evaluating college players?

The fact that he even evaluated said college players was ****ing stupid.

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl

Reid still has not named his LB, DB, and OL coaches. Which means he could still be looking at the former KC staff or former Eagles staff.

I read and heard Duece Staley was the RB coach Andy wanted to bring from Philly but he was still under contract.

This is going to be the first time he is running the show.. It was Mangini's defense the years Sutton held the title.

Or officially through that press release a OC/DC

My bad, they just did exactly this through the team twitter account! :clap:

Duce Staley is an assisant/quality control here. Ted Williams is our RB coach, but if Duce Staley went to the Chiefs it would have been as your RB coach. He's not leaving the Eagles though, they really like him and want to retain him.

@kcchiefs: Chiefs Name Bob Sutton as Defensive Coordinator - http://t.co/P1iesvLy #Chiefs
@kcchiefs: Chiefs Hire Doug Pederson as Offensive Coordinator - http://t.co/lGgF2CWS #Chiefs
@kcchiefs: Chiefs Announce Coaching Staff Hires - http://t.co/ohZAnskJ #Chiefs

Britt Reid (Quality Control) – Reid enters his first season in the NFL after spending three seasons with the Temple University Owls. At Temple, Reid served as a graduate assistant, working with the offensive side of the ball after a two-year stint as an offensive assistant while he completed his degree. In addition to his three years at Temple, Reid has worked the Steve Addazio football camp for the past two years and in 2008, he served as an assistant offensive line coach at St. Joseph’s Prep in Philadelphia. He got his first taste of NFL experience as a training camp coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles in 2009. Reid is the son of Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid.

Missed this one LMAO

I have no idea what the guy will be doing as "quality control" since the offensive or defensive label hasn't been attached to him yet. I assume some other guy will be around as well to help him out, because DAMN that's a bare ass resume.

He's at an irrelevant position, who cares.