No.

If they see something in Smith that they don't like and choose to trade back for their guy, be it Wilson, Barkley, or some late round first like Bray then I won't be calling for their heads.

If they continue the Chiefs way of waiting til the mid rounds and trading for a backup like Flynn then it won't be to early. Commence shooting.

That's hilarious.

Guys based on that interview there is no way in hell we are going to select a QB in this draft in any round. We are ****ed big time. I say we fire Andy Reid now or perhaps consider cheering for a team that tells us exactly who they want to draft before it starts.

I predict the Chiefs will select a QB in the 1st or 2nd round, and that guy will be the opening day starter. Reid no longer has the pressure to win now, and I have few doubts that he plans on developing a rookie QB he thinks he can win with down the road.

lol... in ANY round? ROFL

There is no scenario where not taking a QB at #1 would be justifiable.

If you stick with the 3-4.....you've got Hali and Houston....no Jarvis Jones. Poe is your NT....no Star. ILBs and CBs don't go #1 overall.

If you re-sign Albert.....no OT. If you don't re-sign Albert...you drafted Donald Stephenson last year.....****ing play him.

Absolutely! To pass on a QB in round 1, and have one of the 1st rounders pan out to be a franchise QB... :shake:

If we take a QB in the first, and he turns out to be a bust... :shrug:

Draft another one.

To me with Andy Reid right now, I think Barkley is going to be the target.

Exactly. I agree, but the whole value-thing seems to weigh very heavily in the discussion when it comes time to actually pick--because the BAA argument really is compelling given draft history.

However, if they are able to trade down 5-6 spots without jeopardizing choosing one of the three top prospects...I could see them doing that. On the other hand if they are not going to be availble, if there was ever a year Chief's fans will forgive the FO on a "reach" for a QB--this would be it. Either way...our first round pick will most likely be a QB.

Unless they are dead certain that "their" guy will be there when we pick in the second... :spock:

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Clark has never taken a QB in the 1st and he won't this year either.

Too risky...

Like I said, if there were ever a year he could get away with it....this would be it...:hmmm:

Adjust your sarcasm meter...

PBJ

And he still won't...

Clark is on a whirlwind tour to win back the fans.

I think they take a QB because it gives him something singular to galvanize the fanbase.

Don't think he didn't notice that there were more Joe Montana and Trent Green (and even ELVIS GRBAC) jerseys in the stadium vs. Matt Cassel jerseys.

Honest question...

In what ways is Barkley better than Smith?

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Eh, I think Rausch is just preparing himself for a letdown...that or trying the reverse psychology angle. Heh.

I'm not high on Barkley, but considering the offense Reid likes to run, Barkley isn't a bad idea.

I'd still rather have Smith.

I'd be good with Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. In that order.

Yep. With the way the contracts are setup now for 1st round draft choices it makes no sense to trade back or not pick a QB if you were the Chiefs.

Of course unless they get a king's ransom in return.

That's exactly what I've thought all along.

But JFC, post something other than "Geno!" and people turn ridiculously hostile around here.

I don't think he will.

Honestly.

I think it's Andy's pick and I don't see him going QB in the 1st...

Why not?

He took McNabb.

Agreed. Especially when his new head coach said (on Mike and Mike) the current talent at QB needs to be evaluated and may not have received a fair shake before because of the changing offenses. He described them as 'young' and 'fragile' guys.

To me, that means Cassel and/or Quinn will be here next year along with a new guy to be named later.

Reid likes to push the ball downfield more than the traditional WCO. Barkley isn't the "perfect" fit in Reid's system the way some people think.

The one and only time he had a similar pick, he took Donovan McNabb, when the entire world thought he shouldn't.

Yep, Geno is gonna be the Jimmy Clausen of 2010 on CP. :grr:

Cassel won't be here.

They can save several million against the cap by cutting him.

LMAO Go away.

I don't see any ounce of hostility in this thread, do you?

Cassel and his $7.5 million contract? ROFL

So because McNabb was chocolate and Geno is chocolate this has to be the pick?....

Hope not for CP sake. But if he could restructure (is it possible) I wonder if there could be a case of devil you know...

Reid sounded very open to any possibilities. I was rather stunned at how he was talking about the difficulty of the QBs facing numerous offensive changes and how that may have negatively impacted them.

It's actually more like $16.5M over the next two years.

We save over $5M against the cap by letting him go.

They'll take Geno. Reid's offense uses the deep ball a lot more than other WCO's, which makes Smith a tailor-made fit. If Jon Gruden were our coach I could see Barkley.

Leadership and intangiables. Geno is better on the pure physical part, Barkley on the mental part. And its not a knock on Geno either, he is pretty good at it as well - Barkley is just better.

Restructure? He's got 2 years left. Why would he want to restructure? Why would they?

Nobody thought he should pick McNabb. He was booed the second it was announced. Reid knew something everybody else didn't.
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To me Barkley is my least favorite of the 3. However, if Reid likes him I'll trust his judgement.

You have to give this regime a few years and see how it plays out. We will have people in charge that know better than us.

Using the OKC Thunder as an example people shit all over Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden when they were selected. Many had the opinion you should trade Westbrook and draft Rubio the year Harden was picked. If they went by what the fans and media wanted we would be complete shit right now.

You hire the best football people you can and let them make the decisions. If you trade down or get a 2nd round QB thats ok in my book. Give them a chance to build the team, and if they don't succeed in a few years then flame away.

We will just need to find ourselves a DeSean Jackson\Maclin burner at WR

Well our last banner asked for a "new" QB and not the "#1 QB in the draft" so we are all good

Props to him for an excellent pick.

You still didn't answer the question...

I don't know why either party would want to. I just don't think Cassel is as gone as I thought he was before Reid was hired. His responses on that call indicated to me that he thinks the coaching was the problem moreso than the QBs themselves.

Bottom line, if Cassel stays I won't be shocked.

Right, if you include 2014. If for some reason Reid goes with a journeyman scrub his first year, it's going to be a guy that the QBOTF and the rest of the offense can learn the WCO from.

LMAO Dumbass

Even though people don't think Geno is a clear cut #1 pick, there's a good chance Reid does based on his history with McNabb and based on the traits he looks for in a Qb.
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Now this is the one thing I would freak about lol

Reid is not stupid

Having a chocolate QB?...

He took McNabb because he knows the value of QBs.

Nothing they say at this point is worth a grain of salt.

They don't even have a GM yet.

The stuff I've read gives Smith the edge with speed, mobility, and arm strength, but they give Barkley the edge in accuracy, mental make-up, and leadership. Smith's biggest knock seems to be a gunslinger mentality that contributes to poor accuracy on intermediate and deep throws (which has been masked by solid WV recievers,) while his strenghts include athleticism/mobility. The knock on Barley seems to center on arm strength and durability, and his strengths production and intangibles.

Barkley IS ****ing Ca$$hole in every way.

Everything about him reminds me of him...

Wow.

Couldn't be more wrong.

When it comes to the underneath stuff, Barkley has great timing so he's very accurate.

On the deep stuff, it's no contest. Smith is accurate and delivers the ball on time. Barkley tends to float stuff.

We'll see...

A mentality wouldn't contribute to poor accuracy, a lack of ability or poor technique would. A gunslinger mentality could contribute to poor decisions. That said, I'm not previously aware of anyone questioning Smith's downfield accuracy. In fact, I think it's the trait where he stands out most.

Geno is an extremely accurate QB, who is said to lack in reading defenses. I'm a fan of Geno, like Wilson too. But, give me a guy who's extremely accurate and I'll try and teach him to read defenses.

Trent Green was the exact opposite.

He knew how to read a defense and where his guy would be and THAT made him accurate...

Reading defenses doesnt' make you accurate. You can know where to throw it, but if you aren't accurate, it doesn't matter.


Green was extremely accurate and could read defenses.

A guy like Wilson is good at reading d's but isn't as accurate.

Ok, yer' right...

He is. It's mechanics.

I've talked with some SC fans who would strongly disagree... :shrug:

I've thought the Chiefs may trade back to someone who needs a LT or DT to get a top 10 pick this year, a first next season and the trade the second round pick for a first next season and later second or thord this year. We go into 2013 with 3 first rounders eithe the ability to take whoever we want. If there's no obvious QB next year we do it again and have 5 first rounders in 2014.

Because draft picks are more valuable than players.

Eh.....I'd disagree.

I don't want him.

In any round. Not even the 7th...

That's interesting, because while I've read similar takes....it depends on perspective. According to some Smith's accuracy is a result of a superior corp of very athletic receivers who make catches a lot of players would not--and that he sacrifices "touch" for velocity, whereas Barkley lacks a cannon he is reputably better with touch, placement of the ball, and as you say timing.

I'm not a big college FB follower (no time,) and haven't seen more than a handfull of games by either. However, what I have seen....seems consistent with those takes. Guess we'll see what Andy thinks in the coming months though.

Dude...

Same school, same first name, same number must be the same ****ing player.

Maybe he forces throws? I hope you are right, and we pick him then. One example of what I've read....

From ESPN Insider....

If the Chiefs draft Geno, Wilson, Barkley #1, everyone is going to say "woo hoo! We got our man!" Even if it isn't Geno, people will say "I trust Reid's evaluation."

After the Combine, Senior Bowl, and pro days, we might be adding Murray or Bray or both to that list.

So, if the Chiefs trade down, or if they select jarvis jones or even a mother ****ing defensive tackle, but still get one of those guys after trading back up or having him fall to the second, then I am going to be fine.

Let's all pray that people get scared off Geno. Best case scenario is he falls to us at 33, isn't it? Isn't that the best case scenario?

I'm not going to freak out about any of this until the day of the draft. Then I'll go full reerun.

Murray's didn't declare. I don't think Reid will put his offense in the hands of Tyler Bray, a 21 year old kid with maturity issues. If he does select Bray, expect a stop-gap QB for at least a year, if not two.

Same weak arm, average mobility, unimpressive play...

murray isn't coming out
smith isn't dropping to 33

bray?

you're pretty close to full reerun already

how about we just draft the best qb?

Didn't know that about Murray, and as my grandpappy used to tell me, "the less a man makes declarative statements, the less likely he is to look like a fool in retrospect."

I don't mean Bray at #1, I mean at #33.

And Smith could fall. Anything is possible right now. They haven't done any medical evals or anything. He could have a nagging shoulder injury that no one knew about. He could get a DUI. Justin Houston was a first rounder until the combine.

don't get ahead of yourself.

Wow, just wow. If anything Geno is one of the most accurate deep ball passers I have seen. I don't know how people come up with this stuff.

Sure Austin/Woods/Bailey are good-great receivers, but holy hell if a WR makes a QB good, then every team should be drafting WR's in the top 10 and just plug some guy in at QB.

Interesting take from Walter Football....

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I wrote earlier that this pick largely depended on what would happen with Scott Pioli. If Pioli were retained, he'd draft Star Lotulelei or Luke Joeckel and then use his second-round pick on Mike Glennon, whom he likes. If Pioli were fired, however, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, the new general manager would almost have to take a franchise quarterback. Well, it was the latter situation that occurred. Andy Reid was hired, while Pioli was axed. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, but whether that means Reid will spend this selection on a quarterback or sign his aging, scrambling signal-caller from Philadelphia remains to be seen. But if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Geno Smith. Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles' head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid's offense. ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley or Glennon. We'll see. Four months is a long time. If this doesn't happen, the Chiefs could always trade down.

I'm sorry but USC QBs are the most hyped garbage I've ever seen.

What you fail to understand is all USC QBs are going to look somewhat good...Why? Because they get the best recruits year after year. It's easy for USC QBs to show some kind of ability. When youre getting awards like "program of the decade"

USC QBs, No ****ing thanks.

I quoted it because it was striking...and apparently only one misguided critics crappy opinion, I guess.

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So where do they get their QBs?

You can plug in just about any QB with some sort of skill at USC. Thats what i'm saying.