Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487109)

So I popped into your conversation before you even posted? You don't seem to grasp the linear nature of time, do you?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487103)

Actually, you want to know the truth? Alex Smith and Matty Ryan are pretty much the same guy. Load up their respective teams with talent and good coaching and you're going to win a shit ton of regular season games. Matt Ryan lost every post season game until this year, when his team eeked out a win over Seattle.

Personally, I've blamed that loss on Pete Carroll for flying his team in on Saturday instead of Thursday. They didn't get hot until the second half and were tired from the 5+ hour flight the day before. But that's neither here nor there because what's done is done.

But in 2013? I see Atlanta, at best, as the fourth best team in the NFC behind SF, Seattle and Green Bay. I expect that Chicago, NY, Washington, New Orleans (with the return of Mickey and Payton) and Dallas to be improved, so they're certainly no shoe-in next year.

Atlanta's playoff games? 34-0 LOSS, none, 48-21 LOSS, 24-2 LOSS, 30-28 Win, 24-28 LOSS.

So, Matt Ryan is elite, eh? Yet he lost by 34, lost by 28, lost by 22, won by 2 and lost by 4.

Kinda makes you think that if he gone to the Dolphins, his career under Tony Sparano would have been much better.

LMAO

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487121)

So not only do you not understand time, you don't understand reality. That first game you bolded? It never happened.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487130)

Dolphins record the 5 years before Jake Long: 30-50
Dolphins record the 5 years after drafting Jake Long: 38-42

Falcons record the 5 years before Matt Ryan: 35-45
Falcons record the 5 years after drafting Matt Ryan: 56-24


LMAO Dane is such an idiot.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487115)

You're just a ****ing jackass whose sole (Saul?) purpose in this forum is to punch holes in other people's opinions.

Have fun with that, jackass. But you lose.

Matt Ryan wouldn't have been a better choice for Miami because Miami is a dysfunctional wreck. Bill Parcells would have not spent the draft choices or made the trades necessary to make a mediocre talent like Matt Ryan successful.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487140)

So he wouldn't have invested the draft picks in Ryan even though he invested them in Henne?

By the way, I'm not poking holes in anyone's arguments but yours and Iz Zat Chew. You know...the really knowledgable ones.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9486604)

I can't believe anyone with a brain would try to argue that the Dolphins wouldn't be better with Matt Ryan over Jake Long.

Matt went to a 2 win team and Long went to a 1 win team.

The Falcons made the playoffs the very next year and every year since...how about Miami?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487131)

You just made my point, Honky.

It was still a loss, 30-24

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487149)

Yeah. I made your point pointing out that a rookie QB put up 24 more points on the road in the playoffs than you claimed he did. It really lends credibility to your posts.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487142)

Learn how to spell knowledgeable, and we'll talk.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487153)

Oh, that's all you've got? I mistyped a score?

That's a strong argument.

Well, for a **** that doesn't have an argument.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487157)

Learn how to use commas, and we'll start spellchecking the Internet. (fixed than one for you)

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487160)

Did the guy who just spellchecked my post really criticize me for pointing out that you had the score wildly incorrect three posts later?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487160)

Did the guy who just spellchecked my post really criticize me for pointing out that you had the score wildly incorrect three posts later?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487163)

What?

You put a comma before a single and?

LMAO

I'm guessing you weren't an English major.

Commatard on the loose?

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487167)

So Dane is pretending that the fact that the Falcons went from being 10 games under .500 before Matt Ryan and then 32 games over .500 after he was drafted means nothing?

Only Dane.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487131)

You just made my point, Honky.

It was still a loss, 30-24

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487175)

Are we really doing this? You're wrong about the comma. The "and" is a conjunction separating two independent clauses.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487183)

Oh, just shut the **** up, Queen.

Keep in mind, you dickless ****tard, the Atlanta Falcons were 8-8 then 7-9 before their cluster**** of a season in 2007.

They had plenty of talent on their roster.

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9487189)

lmao.."Honky" FTW
Posted via Mobile Device

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487194)

And the Dolphins were 9-7 and 6-10 before their cluster**** of a season in 2007.


Jeez, you make some dumb ass points.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487200)

Were the Dolphins in the AFC Championship in 2004?

JFC, you're so ****ing stupid and short-sighted.

I used to think you were like 19 or 20 but lately I've come to believe you're like 14 or 15.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487194)

And the Dolphins were 9-7 and 6-10 before their cluster**** of a season in 2007.


Jeez, you make some dumb ass points.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487206)

What the **** does 2004 have to do anything? Holy shit LMAOLMAOLMAO

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9487215)

Wouldn't mind for him to come in and play rt. think he's be good there

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9487224)

I'm on my phone, sorry.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487218)

Matt Ryan should have been winning the Superbowl instead of graduating high school in 2004.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487207)

That's ****ing awesome. It's too perfect that the win totals are ****ing identical. Dane is either the biggest idiot ever or the most under-appreciated straight man ever.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487226)

Don't say that. Dane could use the self-esteem boost.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487270)

And you're a ****ing moron that clearly knows absolutely nothing about the situation in Atlanta, from going 12-4 to the NFC Championship in 2004, to 8-8, 7-9, not to mention the Michael Vick/Bobby Petrino disaster of 2007.

If you're going to claim that Miami and Atlanta were on equal footing, prove it. You're so ****ing full of shit that only the dumbest of dumbasses agree with you.

But that said, you and Queen make a fine couple.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487302)

Are you trying to prove that Miami's situation was worse than Atlanta's by pointing out the disaster that was the Falcons?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487311)

I'm asking you a simple question:

Have Thomas Dimitroff and the Atlanta Falcons done everything possible to surround Matt Ryan with talent?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487317)

Miami was a worse situation than Atlanta. To prove it, look at what a train wreck Atlanta was. Atlanta's QB went to prison and their coach bolted with no warning. I rest my case. /Dane

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487329)

Acting like the little ****ing bitch you are, "Saul".

Nice copout, Punk.

I win.

And I ****ing KICKED YOUR PUNY ASS.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487336)

Well done, Frankie.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9487357)

I don't know how one compares Matt Ryan to Alex Smith?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487389)

Quarterback A). 62.7% career completions, 127 TDs, 60 INTs, and 18,957 passing yards in a five year career

Versus

Quarterback B). 59.3% completions, 81 TDs, 63 TDs, and 14,280 passing yards in a seven year career



Guess which QB is Alex Smith and which is Matt Ryan. Bet you can't, because they're so similar.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9487357)

I don't know how one compares Matt Ryan to Alex Smith?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487311)

I'm asking you a simple question:

Have Thomas Dimitroff and the Atlanta Falcons done everything possible to surround Matt Ryan with talent?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487328)

They have. In return, Matt Ryan has given them one of the top offenses in the league and has averaged 27 points per game in the playoffs.

What he hasn't done is draft effectively on the other side of the ball. As a result, 27 points per game has not been enough to win more than one out of five.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487392)

Answer the question:

Have Thomas Dimitroff and the Atlanta Falcons done everything possible to surround Matt Ryan with talent?

You keep avoiding it and I'll just keep hammering your stupid ass.

Trust me, I won't give up.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487383)

Matt Ryan needs elite talent around him to have any success, whether it's Michael Turner, Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez, Peter Konz, Julio Jones, etc. Ryan's already had two offensive coordinators try to improve their otherwise extremely talented offense.

Without those guys, he'd be an average QB at best.

Alex Smith, throughout his career, has proven the same thing. Without excellent coaching, an amazing offensive line, RB, TE and decent WR's, he's average at best.

Anyone that looks at the Falcons offense and see any deficiencies or holes, please list them now.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487404)

What the ****, Dane. You can't be this stupid. You just can't.

I already answered your question. I even ****ing quoted it.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487392)

Answer the question:

Have Thomas Dimitroff and the Atlanta Falcons done everything possible to surround Matt Ryan with talent?

You keep avoiding it and I'll just keep hammering your stupid ass.

Trust me, I won't give up.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487408)

Then tell us why the Falcons couldn't score more against the Giants or couldn't score in the 2nd half against the 49ers.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9487406)

Sam Baker sucks ass. The whole o-line sucked ass. Konz was a great pick by them.

Michael Turner sucked ass for the last 2 years. The backup RB is ok.

They made a big trade for a WR to improve their offense. So they could free up either TG, Roddy or Julio 1 on 1, so Ryan could throw more. MORE.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9487414)

Jake Long was the better pick because one time the Giants beat the shit out of the Falcons. LMAO

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487416)

Dude, Dimitroff MOVED UP for Baker. He signed Turner in Free Agency. He traded for Gonzalez, he traded up for Jones, he drafted Jacquizz Rogers.

How many more excuses does Matt Ryan need to prove he's "elite", as some have stated in this thread? And what makes all these people so absolutely certain that Ryan would have been the better choice than Long?

Ryan's had five full seasons to prove that he can put his team on his back and will them to victory. So far, that hasn't happened.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487408)

Then tell us why the Falcons couldn't score more against the Giants or couldn't score in the 2nd half against the 49ers.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9487420)

That being said, had Miami taken Ryan Sporano would still be around, hell, big tuna might be too. Mike Smith would have been fired in Atlanta, and Dimitroff would be another Patriot Way failure.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487424)

And if anyone is familiar with Jeff Ireland and his ****ed up draft choices and free agents, they'd know that he's pretty much incapable of putting any modicum of talent on the field.

One look at the 2012 Dolphins should be proof of that fact. I'm surprised that they won as many games as they did.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487426)

Because you cherry picked 90 minutes of football out of a five year career.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9487431)

Nobody is going to argue that the Dolphins have been run well.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9487431)

People do make that argument about the Falcons, and it's because of Ryan. He's completely changed the way that franchise is viewed.

Prior to his arrival the franchise had never had 2 winning seasons in a row. That's 9-6. Never.

Now all they do is win, and they finally got the playoff monkey off their back this year. Still not the top team in the NFC, but they are a great team.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487433)

Yeah, I only cherry picked the most important parts, you know, the playoffs.

Where it matters.

But I guess where you're from, it's called cherry-picking.

Steve DeBerg was amazing one year in KC, too.

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 9487430)

It seems like you're putting Jeff Ireland on a Matt Millen, dane. I'm not calling him a good GM by any means, but he has made some decent moves.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9487442)

In the SF game, Ryan put up 400 yards and 3 TDs.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487462)

Matt Ryan compares to Alex Smith but Alex Smith doesn't compare to Matt Cassel.

Dane logic.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487463)

LMAO

You're so ****ing weak I'm surprised you can type.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487467)

Tim Tebow reminds me of John Elway.

Dane Logic.

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 9487430)

It seems like you're putting Jeff Ireland on a Matt Millen, dane. I'm not calling him a good GM by any means, but he has made some decent moves.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487501)

Holy shit Dane ROFL. How pathetic can you be? Take a break or something.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487501)

Holy shit Dane ROFL. How pathetic can you be? Take a break or something.

http://i.imgur.com/irMFTe3.png

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487509)

Oh, and nice of you to share my PM. Shows your character.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487501)

Holy shit Dane ROFL. How pathetic can you be? Take a break or something.

http://i.imgur.com/irMFTe3.png

Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9487656)

You've done well. I've only received one such threat from Dane in my time here.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9487402)

They are pretty similar. Other than Ryan having 3000 more yards, 46 more touchdowns, and 18 more wins, they're pretty much the same player.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487086)

And Bill Polian recently admitted he wanted to trade Peyton Manning after the 2004 season.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9487103)

Atlanta's playoff games? 30-24 LOSS, none, 48-21 LOSS, 24-2 LOSS, 30-28 Win, 24-28 LOSS.

So, Matt Ryan is elite, eh? Yet he lost by 34, lost by 28, lost by 22, won by 2 and lost by 4.